Developer blog #358: Ta 152 Development News

[LukeFF]

Full details can be found here: https://il2sturmovik.com/news/842/dev-blog-358/

[leu5]

Tank 152 yeah

[BigMotor]

Cool.  When the description says, "the  cockpit was air tight" , does that mean it was pressurized like a modern plane?

[Sneaksie]

8 minutes ago, BigMotor said:

does that mean it was pressurized like a modern plane?

Yes, corrected to 'pressurized cockpit'.

[Luger1969]

It is on my buy list?...

At the top.

[Flyhighzz]

I-153 in next DD maybe? ?

[percydanvers]

This is a dream come true for me! I am so excited!

[tattywelshie]

Fab, absolutely LOVE the look of this. Will it be part of the career mode? 

[Youtch]

Automatic buy.

[357th_KW]

An interesting note regarding the pressurization system from Willi Reschke's book Jagdgeschwader 301/302 "Wilde Sau":

 

III./JG301 was equipped with Ta 152 H-0 and H-1 series aircraft.  While the H-0 lacked cockpit pressurization, the H-1 was equipped with a functioning pressurization system.  The cockpit was sealed with a tubular bladder partly filled with foam rubber, which was inflated by a  compressed air bottle to 2.5 atmospheres.  The bladder had to be deflated and the canopy lock released before the canopy could be jettisoned.  The canopy consisted of two layers of plexiglass to prevent fogging.  Silica-gel capsules kept the air between the two layers dry.

 

Today there is uncertainty as to whether the pilots were ever briefed on the canopy jettisoning procedure.  Based on the memories of surviving Ta 152 pilots it probably never happened.  It is therefore doubtful that an attempted bail-out would have succeeded.

Edited March 1, 2024 by 357th_KW

[LukeFF]

8 minutes ago, tattywelshie said:

Fab, absolutely LOVE the look of this. Will it be part of the career mode? 

 

Most likely, but the details of that are up to @BlackSix.

[tattywelshie]

1 minute ago, LukeFF said:

 

Most likely, but the details of that are up to @BlackSix.

Fab, cant wait to fly it

[JG4_Moltke1871]

How can I imagine the engine management with the two different boost systems, each will have an own switch?

Also curious how to handle that two stage three speed supercharger or it works full automatic like usual in German planes?

 

 

 

 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

I love it! Any chance of getting the B17 AI? Now with Masters of the Air, getting an itch about it ...

[sevenless]

Yep, its on the buy list. As is the I-153. ?

[Avimimus]

27 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Yep, its on the buy list. As is the I-153. ?

 

Yeah, I'm really curious what combining that big engine with that high-aspect ratio wing will be like ? It wasn't a perfect glider, but it should be better than most of what we have.

 

I'm also expect that the I-153 will be completed on a shorter timescale than the IAR-80/81 (i.e. less than a couple of years)... as there are less variants, it'll be easier to research (I assume), and the 3d modeller will already have the experience from the IAR - so I'm hoping to see it this year.

 

Hopefully these sell well enough to encourage them to partner with 3rd parties and continue to release the occasional aircraft for existing modules alongside the new project.

[Justicier]

Wish we had more high-altitude dwelling targets to shoot at. Even still, this will be a very interesting plane indeed.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

58 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Most likely, but the details of that are up to @BlackSix.

I thought it wasn't stationed anywhere near the Bodenplatte map?

[357th_KW]

27 minutes ago, Justicier said:

Wish we had more high-altitude dwelling targets to shoot at. Even still, this will be a very interesting plane indeed.

 

There are some options out there if high altitude combat is your thing.

 

[fergal69]

Never had much success the fw190's - I always seem to end up in a spin ?

[sevenless]

54 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I thought it wasn't stationed anywhere near the Bodenplatte map?

 

Will be some kind of "what if". The airfields the Ta-152 flew from were roughly 300 km to the east of the current Rheinland map. Alteno, Nordhausen, Stendal and Neustadt-Glewe.

[FTC_ChilliBalls]

Given that GM1 will be added to the Ta-152, is it possible to have this modification also available for the various BF 109 models in game?

I.e. give the 109 G2/4/6 GM-1 and they basically turns into a G1/3/5 respectively. Whilst these certainly weren't as prevalent as their "normal" counterparts, they certainly were used on the Channel Front and would be useful for high altitude intercept missions.    

[ScotsmanFlyingscotsman]

I remember building the 1/72 scale FROG kit of this, about the last one they made. Just how manouverable was it though, I could see it being turned like a glider at high altitude, but probably struggling lower down. Are there any reports of what it was like to fly?

Wallet ready....man my wallet is struggling these days ?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

Ta-152?  Um... I'll probably pick it up on sale someday.   Really, really, hoping for Yak-3 and La-7 announcements.  

[ITAF_Rani]

At this point Devs have to consider to develop as AI  B 17 or 24. In this way the Ta has reason to exist...

[Hook_Echo]

17 minutes ago, ScotsmanFlyingscotsman said:

Just how manouverable was it though, I could see it being turned like a glider at high altitude, but probably struggling lower down. Are there any reports of what it was like to fly?

They fought at lower altitude too. It's what you would expect basically, it doesn't have the roll rate of the Dora, but it has a much better horizontal turn rate.

 

https://youtu.be/cvvN5Te6v7E?si=GGH5h8oVfMIYofvC

[Avimimus]

18 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

At this point Devs have to consider to develop as AI  B 17 or 24. In this way the Ta has reason to exist...

 

As has been pointed out a few times though - the Ta-152H was never used to successfully intercept heavy bombers. In practice it was used at lower altitudes.

 

 

47 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Will be some kind of "what if". The airfields the Ta-152 flew from were roughly 300 km to the east of the current Rheinland map. Alteno, Nordhausen, Stendal and Neustadt-Glewe.

 

So you are saying we're on a slippery slope towards the He-162 being acceptable?  

[Otto_Matix]

I approve this development.

[357th_KW]

7 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

As has been pointed out a few times though - the Ta-152H was never used to successfully intercept heavy bombers. In practice it was used at lower altitudes.

 

 

Even though they were unsuccessful, they did fly a few intercept missions against the US bomber formations.  It's only natural that players are going to want to recreate those missions, given that improved high altitude performance was the entire purpose of the aircraft.  An AI B-17 would be a really cool addition to the game, and something that is sorely missing over both Rhineland and Normandy.

[sevenless]

31 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

So you are saying we're on a slippery slope towards the He-162 being acceptable?  

 

LOL! As much as I would like to fly the He-162 in this flight sim you have to remember that it flew operationally only in the last 4 weeks of the war from airfields north of the Elbe river. So yes, if we enter 1946 territory then bring on the He-162 and the P-80 jet please. Oh, and dont miss the Meteor I and III, which actually saw service not only hunting down doodle-bugs (V1s) in 1944 but also on the continent in 1945 both near Brussels and in Northern Germany.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Will the nav lights still be visible at that distance?

[R33GZ]

3 hours ago, ScotsmanFlyingscotsman said:

I remember building the 1/72 scale FROG kit of this, about the last one they made. Just how manouverable was it though, I could see it being turned like a glider at high altitude, but probably struggling lower down. Are there any reports of what it was like to fly?

Wallet ready....man my wallet is struggling these days ?

If you've ever seen a glider doing low level aerobatics you'll know that in experienced hands that wing generates a respectable amount of lift.... of course a glider is fiberglass and has no heavy engine weighing it down

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, 357th_KW said:

 

Even though they were unsuccessful, they did fly a few intercept missions against the US bomber formations.  It's only natural that players are going to want to recreate those missions, given that improved high altitude performance was the entire purpose of the aircraft.  An AI B-17 would be a really cool addition to the game, and something that is sorely missing over both Rhineland and Normandy.

 

I couldn't possibly disagree! You are right of course, on all points.

 

I just wanted to point out that it can be used in a very historically accurate way in the sim (minus some issues with the location of the airbases). We won't need B-29 formations or even B-17/B-24 to use it historically.

[RoteDreizehn]

6 hours ago, percydanvers said:

This is a dream come true for me! I am so excited!

Hope the TA-152 will get the real performance. Our Fights will be in 7000m - 8000m. Fw190 D9 is not usefull and underperforming.

[Razorback]

Question:     How many Mustangs does she eat per day ? 

 

I can't wait !

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

34 minutes ago, Razorback said:

Question:     How many Mustangs does she eat per day ? 

 

I can't wait !

 

Probably none below 25,000 feet.  

[Razorback]

<S>   LOL  

  Honestly   I can't think of ANY plane I would be comfortable attacking a box of B17s in.   50 cals are nasty, and a box of B17s is a LOT of 50 cals to be dodging.   Swattin Horse Flies is another matter entirely

Edited March 2, 2024 by Razorback

[Gambit21]

5 minutes ago, Razorback said:

<S>   LOL  

  Honestly   I can't think of ANY plane I would be comfortable attacking a box of B17s in.   50 cals are nasty, and a box of B17s is a LOT of 50 cals to be dodging.   Swattin Horse Flies is another matter entirely

 

Don Bryan in the 352nd said he never saw a 262 go through a B-17 formation without taking out at least 2 bombers.

 

 

[Razorback]

Mk108's are no  good to be downrange from.  I imagine the  closure rate of those 262s would have made it tough on gunners.   Ive even heard  them say  how the 262 and Komet would go by like a streak. 

   

   I used to  hunt   birds, and  I cant imagine trying to track, and calculate  lead in my head  for anything coming in that fast.  

 

  

[puyo3]

To be honest I was disappointed with the Ta 152 in earlier renditions of Il-2, and pretty much set it aside.

 

I gauge by using actual combat accounts, which are few but they indicate it could turn quite well, and really accelerate ..."it took off, and I mean took off in 700 meters" or something to that effect, ..."it pressed you back into the seat when you applied full throttle..."  ..."It could turn around it's tail",  etc. and so on go the accounts. Yet in game it felt sluggish, clumsy, having abysmal acceleration.

Reske, who had flown against most opposing late war fighters, said he never felt inferior flying the the Ta, he considered it his life insurance, so I do hope this rendition will allow us some good even dog fights with spittys and 'stangs. 

 

Fingers crossed, we'll have to live with it whatever they deliver. I hope this one can show forth the accolades the pilots gave it.