VPforce Rhino - Modern FFB Joystick

[Varibraun]

4 hours ago, dgiatr said:

Can you please send me your il2 config settings for telemffb to communicate with il2? ( receive telemetry data). I have a hard time doing it.

Thanks

 

Hi @dgiatr - I have pasted my current settings in the spoiler below.  I think our setups are somewhat similar with SRS/Rhino/Simshaker so all of those are included.  I did have some difficulty getting it all to work together as I mentioned in the Motion thread:

 

Final note, I am also having some unexplained system crashes, but in my initial experimentation it only occurred in VR (Pimax) so I had focused there for a fix.  Unfortunately, I haven't had enough time lately to really run it down any further since it is only happens occasionally. 

 

Anyway, here are my settings, I hope they are of some help to you:

 

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IL2 Config File Settings:

 

 

 

SimShaker Forwarding:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dgiatr]

1 hour ago, Varibraun said:

 

Hi @dgiatr - I have pasted my current settings in the spoiler below.  I think our setups are somewhat similar with SRS/Rhino/Simshaker so all of those are included.  I did have some difficulty getting it all to work together as I mentioned in the Motion thread:

 

Final note, I am also having some unexplained system crashes, but in my initial experimentation it only occurred in VR (Pimax) so I had focused there for a fix.  Unfortunately, I haven't had enough time lately to really run it down any further since it is only happens occasionally. 

 

Anyway, here are my settings, I hope they are of some help to you:

 

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IL2 Config File Settings:

 

 

 

SimShaker Forwarding:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah me too after some trial n error I finally managed to make il2 communicate with FFb Rhino using simshaker port forwarding like you did.

Thanks.

By the way.... I don't see and g-force settings in telemffb , do you see any?

[dgiatr]

11 hours ago, Varibraun said:

 

Hi @dgiatr - I have pasted my current settings in the spoiler below.  I think our setups are somewhat similar with SRS/Rhino/Simshaker so all of those are included.  I did have some difficulty getting it all to work together as I mentioned in the Motion thread:

 

Final note, I am also having some unexplained system crashes, but in my initial experimentation it only occurred in VR (Pimax) so I had focused there for a fix.  Unfortunately, I haven't had enough time lately to really run it down any further since it is only happens occasionally. 

 

Anyway, here are my settings, I hope they are of some help to you:

 

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IL2 Config File Settings:

 

 

 

SimShaker Forwarding:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Varibraun ,

Can you please send me your settings from Vp force configurator and from Telemffb?

I face an issue with my stick that pulls backwards all the time so i have to pull the stick forward in order to fly straight.

I also suspect that it has to do with the fact that our FFB Rhino bases are on a moving motion platform and our sticks pull their own weight left-right and forward-backward when the platform moves so its possible to affect the center position of the stick? Thanks

[Varibraun]

On 10/2/2024 at 2:01 AM, dgiatr said:

Hello Varibraun ,

Can you please send me your settings from Vp force configurator and from Telemffb?

I face an issue with my stick that pulls backwards all the time so i have to pull the stick forward in order to fly straight.

I also suspect that it has to do with the fact that our FFB Rhino bases are on a moving motion platform and our sticks pull their own weight left-right and forward-backward when the platform moves so its possible to affect the center position of the stick? Thanks

 

Hi @dgiatr - Sorry for the delayed response, RL has been getting in the way of my favorite hobby lately.  I put all of my current settings for both Rhino software in the spoiler below.  I pulled most of these from suggestions I found online for the Configurator and then made a few tweaks, and I don't think I have made many changes from the stock settings in the TelemFFB (as you can see, there are definitively G force settings in there).  These settings have been working well for me with the motion, actually much better than my old Virpil base (T-50CM-3) with the 200mm extension when it comes to the issue you mention above (I had to work on my SRS and deadzone settings with that old base to prevent yoyo in pitch, the Rhino completely cured that problem and for whatever reason, helped get rid of the cogging in the DoF for me too).  I am using my same grip - metal VPC Alpha Prime, and no extension with the Rhino.  I am using the "Adaptive Recentering" in the Configurator which may be helping prevent your issue.

 

Also, as I noted previously, I have not had the time since my Rhino arrived that I would ideally desire to really learn the software, so take all of my settings with that in mind (you will see I haven't even tried it in DCS yet).  So while they are working for me right now, I am still really interested in the types of settings our Rhino owners who are IRL pilots are using, especially @SCG_motoadve who owns a warbird.

 

With all that said, here are my settings - for these, I typically keep the stick force adjust knob between 40% - 60% depending on the aircraft (I included the Spitfire from the TelemFFB software as an example for a particular aircraft stock settings):

 

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IL2 GAME SETTINGS:

 

 

VPFORCE FFB CONFIGURATOR:

 

 

 

 

VP FORCE TELEMFFB:

 

 

TELEFFB IL2 GENERIC DEFAULTS FOR PROP AIRCRAFT:

 

 

 

TELEFFB SPITFIRE PROFILE:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SCG_motoadve]

Here are my settings

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Varibraun]

4 hours ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Here are my settings

 

 

Thank you! l definitely give them a try, at this point I haven't monkeyed with the axis tuning at all.  (Which reminds me, @dgiatr be sure that you don't have axis curves set in IL2, because I am told that doesn't play well with FFB) 

 

@SCG_motoadve would you mind also posting your "settings" tab from the Configurator?  Here are my current setting there:

 

[SCG_motoadve]

 

 

The rest its at default.

[dgiatr]

6 hours ago, Varibraun said:

 

Thank you! l definitely give them a try, at this point I haven't monkeyed with the axis tuning at all.  (Which reminds me, @dgiatr be sure that you don't have axis curves set in IL2, because I am told that doesn't play well with FFB) 

 

@SCG_motoadve would you mind also posting your "settings" tab from the Configurator?  Here are my current setting there:

 

 

6 hours ago, SCG_motoadve said:

 

 

The rest its at default.

Thanks a lot guys for your informations.

 

Varibraun, what do you mean that curves in il2 don't work well with Rhino? You mean pitch and roll should be completely linear with zero sensitivity and no zero center margin?

Edited October 5, 2024 by dgiatr

[Varibraun]

9 hours ago, dgiatr said:

Varibraun, what do you mean that curves in il2 don't work well with Rhino? You mean pitch and roll should be completely linear with zero sensitivity and no zero center margin?

 

Correct, but I will say that the discussion I have seen on this has been focused on DCS (so I am not certain it applies to IL2, but I didn't take any chances).  I think based on my experience that deadzones may still be fine in IL2.  I know you are on Discord so that is a good place for further research, but here are a couple of posts on this issue from the Gurus:

 

 

[102nd-YU-devill]

My rhino developed some vibrations today... extremely annoying.

So I am not in any game, just looking in the configurator, all effects are off and I have only the spring.

Whenever I load the spring the motors cause very fine high frequency vibrations.

Anyone has an idea where it comes from?

 

 

[dgiatr]

14 hours ago, Varibraun said:

 

Correct, but I will say that the discussion I have seen on this has been focused on DCS (so I am not certain it applies to IL2, but I didn't take any chances).  I think based on my experience that deadzones may still be fine in IL2.  I know you are on Discord so that is a good place for further research, but here are a couple of posts on this issue from the Gurus:

 

 

Hi Varibraun, since you have srs and motion platform like me,  did you change the decimation settings as telemffb manual indicates in startup config file of il2 from 2 to 1 in order to make telemffb to work? I have done port forwarding from simshaker to telemffb and thats how Rhino works, do you think it's necessary in that case? I ask because I face some crashes from time to time and I suspect if it's due to not having changed decimation yet..

Edited October 6, 2024 by dgiatr

[c19580]

On 10/1/2024 at 3:48 PM, dgiatr said:

Yeah me too after some trial n error I finally managed to make il2 communicate with FFb Rhino using simshaker port forwarding like you did.

Thanks.

By the way.... I don't see and g-force settings in telemffb , do you see any?

I’m looking into getting a FFb Rhino as my next sim upgrade and doing some research and came across this potential issue.

 

I use IL2Shaker (not sim shaker wings from Andre) with a buttkicker, together with SRS for voice chat. I don’t believe IL2Shaker has port forwarding and I’m trying to figure out if I’d run into problems having IL2Shaker + SRS + FFb Rhino.

 

Any help is greatly appreciated!

[dgiatr]

4 minutes ago, c19580 said:

I’m looking into getting a FFb Rhino as my next sim upgrade and doing some research and came across this potential issue.

 

I use IL2Shaker (not sim shaker wings from Andre) with a buttkicker, together with SRS for voice chat. I don’t believe IL2Shaker has port forwarding and I’m trying to figure out if I’d run into problems having IL2Shaker + SRS + FFb Rhino.

 

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Hi, talking about Srs I don't mean the program for voice chat but the program that controls my dof 3p motion platform. Either way, I don't think that you would have any problem in case you use il2shaker that doesn't have port forwarding since in the manual of telemffb that controls Rhino ffb describes what additional lines to add in startup config of il2 in order to make il2 communicate with Rhino ffb.

Just to clarify...I don't have Rhino ffb stick but the " diy Rhino ffb base" which works the same as genuine Rhino. it's a diy kit and you don't have to wait such a long time to get it as the genuine one.

[c19580]

39 minutes ago, dgiatr said:

Hi, talking about Srs I don't mean the program for voice chat but the program that controls my dof 3p motion platform. Either way, I don't think that you would have any problem in case you use il2shaker that doesn't have port forwarding since in the manual of telemffb that controls Rhino ffb describes what additional lines to add in startup config of il2 in order to make il2 communicate with Rhino ffb.

Just to clarify...I don't have Rhino ffb stick but the " diy Rhino ffb base" which works the same as genuine Rhino. it's a diy kit and you don't have to wait such a long time to get it as the genuine one.

hey - thanks! Very helpful as usual!

 

Starting to read through this and seeing all the settings screenshots seems like it’s a bit overwhelming, but will figure it out!

 

Im curious about the comparison coming from a vkb gunfighter or other similar high quality base that is so smooth and a pleasure to use. Are these FFb bases as good feel-wise or is there a big trade off in feel to get the feedback sensation?

[dgiatr]

42 minutes ago, c19580 said:

hey - thanks! Very helpful as usual!

 

Starting to read through this and seeing all the settings screenshots seems like it’s a bit overwhelming, but will figure it out!

 

Im curious about the comparison coming from a vkb gunfighter or other similar high quality base that is so smooth and a pleasure to use. Are these FFb bases as good feel-wise or is there a big trade off in feel to get the feedback sensation?

Yeah that was my concern too but in the end you get so much immersion from a ffb stick that you cannot go back...Vp configurator and telemffb have many parameters that you can set to your liking so I think it's a matter of patience to get the feeling at a desirable level..

Edited October 6, 2024 by dgiatr

[Varibraun]

4 hours ago, c19580 said:

Im curious about the comparison coming from a vkb gunfighter or other similar high quality base that is so smooth and a pleasure to use. Are these FFb bases as good feel-wise or is there a big trade off in feel to get the feedback sensation?

 

Over the years, I have been through several of the high quality spring & spring/clutch/damper bases (my last one was the Virpil T-50CM3) and I like the Rhino FFB MUCH better (which you would hope for the price...lol).  I made the final decision to purchase based on what the IRL pilots and others said about it here and on YT and am very glad I did. 

 

Also, as @dgiatr said above (he and I are running similar motion rig/Rhino setups), the Rhino issues we were/are discussing relate to having 3 devices that depend on IL-2 telemetry which appears to only support 2 natively.  You probably won't have that complication unless you add a motion rig, so the setup should be easier.

 

12 hours ago, dgiatr said:

Hi Varibraun, since you have srs and motion platform like me,  did you change the decimation settings as telemffb manual indicates in startup config file of il2 from 2 to 1 in order to make telemffb to work? I have done port forwarding from simshaker to telemffb and thats how Rhino works, do you think it's necessary in that case? I ask because I face some crashes from time to time and I suspect if it's due to not having changed decimation yet..

 

  @dgiatr - You need to know that I am not tech savvy, so anything I do comes from being a "Silverback" of "monkey see, monkey do" trial and error basic logic philosophy when it comes to all of this stuff.  It is why I REALLY appreciate everything people share here in the forums, on Discord, and YouTube.  So, I don't know if it is necessary, but in line with P. 150 of the Manual, I think the TeleFFB software "enforced" i.e. reset mine to 1 even though I had it set for 2 (my startup config file is not "read only").

 

With you now pointing that out, as I mentioned, I too have been having some game crashes.  I really thought it was Pimax related based on some older posts here, but I now think I need to experiment more outside VR (I only go flat screen for things checking things like this) and without SRS to see if we are maybe having the same issue related to the telemetry settings.  I will let you know...

[c19580]

Thanks! Really appreciate the input and glad to know that there isn’t a trade off with quality/feel to get the force feedback experience.

 

I sent a “pre-order” for a VPForce Rhino but it seems like it’s just more of a waiting list… did I understand correctly that the wait time can be 18 months?!?!?

 

Also noticed that Moza came out with a FFb base and wonder if there’s any knowledge of how it compares to the VPForce.

[Varibraun]

4 hours ago, c19580 said:

Thanks! Really appreciate the input and glad to know that there isn’t a trade off with quality/feel to get the force feedback experience.

 

I sent a “pre-order” for a VPForce Rhino but it seems like it’s just more of a waiting list… did I understand correctly that the wait time can be 18 months?!?!?

 

Also noticed that Moza came out with a FFb base and wonder if there’s any knowledge of how it compares to the VPForce.

 

Mine took about 7 months (you can track delivery stats on Discord), but it will go faster than your order # might indicate because a number of people elect not to order when their number comes up.  The good thing is that you can stay on the list while you see how the reception is for the Moza (people just started receiving them) and WinWing (not out yet) goes.  I believe Virpil may get into the FFB too, but they haven't announced a prototype that I am aware of.  

 

At least to date, I haven't seen a Moza review by a Rhino owner for comparison.  The biggest questions I have seen about it so far is how it will handle heat that will generate in dogfights (unlike the Rhino, it has no active cooling fan in the case) and how the telemetry software will turn out when it has matured (software is a strong point for the Rhino).  That said, I think everything I have seen about it in these very early days after release has been generally positive.  There are a few early adopters posting about it on the DCS forums if you want to look there.  

[dgiatr]

3 hours ago, Varibraun said:

 

Mine took about 7 months (you can track delivery stats on Discord), but it will go faster than your order # might indicate because a number of people elect not to order when their number comes up.  The good thing is that you can stay on the list while you see how the reception is for the Moza (people just started receiving them) and WinWing (not out yet) goes.  I believe Virpil may get into the FFB too, but they haven't announced a prototype that I am aware of.  

 

At least to date, I haven't seen a Moza review by a Rhino owner for comparison.  The biggest questions I have seen about it so far is how it will handle heat that will generate in dogfights (unlike the Rhino, it has no active cooling fan in the case) and how the telemetry software will turn out when it has matured (software is a strong point for the Rhino).  That said, I think everything I have seen about it in these very early days after release has been generally positive.  There are a few early adopters posting about it on the DCS forums if you want to look there.  

Or you can go the DIY way and build one like I did in about 3 weeks.

8 hours ago, c19580 said:

Thanks! Really appreciate the input and glad to know that there isn’t a trade off with quality/feel to get the force feedback experience.

 

I sent a “pre-order” for a VPForce Rhino but it seems like it’s just more of a waiting list… did I understand correctly that the wait time can be 18 months?!?!?

 

Also noticed that Moza came out with a FFb base and wonder if there’s any knowledge of how it compares to the VPForce.

 

[Aapje]

It seems that about half of the people who pre-order the Rhino drop out when their number comes up, but this may increase now that the Moza is available as a cheaper alternative.

[Youtch]

For Rhino users, have you installed a limiter?

The limiter is a physical plate to limit degrees of movement of the stick, the limiter has to be mounted directly onto the base, and physically restrained amplitude of movement.

 

If yes, how many degrees did you choose? I understand that by default it has 22º, but the most common limiter is 11º, and recommended for people with extension.

 

I currently have a VKB Gunfighter with 20cm extension. I understand VKB gunfighter base has 20º of movement.

I would like to replicate the same feeling more or less, maybe just a little bit more, but not drastically more.

 

I understand that the Rhino base itself almost correspond to a 14cm extension (correct?), hence a 80 to 90cm extension should be more than enough.

 

I can hardly find any information on VPForce website about adapters and limiters.

Anyone would know how to check what VPforce proposes as optional items (beyond the order form).

 

Thanks again,

y. 

[dgiatr]

19 minutes ago, Youtch said:

For Rhino users, have you installed a limiter?

The limiter is a physical plate to limit degrees of movement of the stick, the limiter has to be mounted directly onto the base, and physically restrained amplitude of movement.

 

If yes, how many degrees did you choose? I understand that by default it has 22º, but the most common limiter is 11º, and recommended for people with extension.

 

I currently have a VKB Gunfighter with 20cm extension. I understand VKB gunfighter base has 20º of movement.

I would like to replicate the same feeling more or less, maybe just a little bit more, but not drastically more.

 

I understand that the Rhino base itself almost correspond to a 14cm extension (correct?), hence a 80 to 90cm extension should be more than enough.

 

I can hardly find any information on VPForce website about adapters and limiters.

Anyone would know how to check what VPforce proposes as optional items (beyond the order form).

 

Thanks again,

y. 

Hi, I have no limiter at all ( virpil constellation grip with no additional extension ) , I like the feeling of Max movement.

[Varibraun]

9 hours ago, Youtch said:

For Rhino users, have you installed a limiter?

 

I ordered the standard one because I wasn't sure if I would fly with an extension and shipping cost to the US made it worthwhile to get everything in one shipment even if I decided not to use it.  I ended up not using an extension, so can't really comment on it.  The only other option I remember was the metal connector ring (vs 3d printed) which I did order and it comes preinstalled.

 

Here is a YT video that includes a discussion about the limiters:

 

 

 

[Youtch]

I know this video, in this video it looks like he has several limiters model, I was wandering where on VPForce website we can find official information about these different limiters.

 

The metal connector rig is between which parts?

 

Thanks again

[Aapje]

@Youtch

 

It's in the manual: https://vpforce.eu/downloads/VPforce_Rhino_Manual.pdf

 

And the actual adapter can be found on his order form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSflUrHfM9AB0f-0WGyhOLxvXQNMr7E8TBDSYYJUBQ8kqaDC7g/viewform

[Youtch]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

@Youtch

 

It's in the manual: https://vpforce.eu/downloads/VPforce_Rhino_Manual.pdf

 

And the actual adapter can be found on his order form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSflUrHfM9AB0f-0WGyhOLxvXQNMr7E8TBDSYYJUBQ8kqaDC7g/viewform

I was expecting to propose multiple plates with different angle, but from the order form it is only the 11º

 

Is the metal connector something necessary in term of robustness?

 

Does anyone know the distance between the stick and the front (or back of the box)? It is not appearing in the diagram with dimension provided by VPForce.

Edited October 8, 2024 by Youtch

[Varibraun]

2 hours ago, Youtch said:

I was expecting to propose multiple plates with different angle, but from the order form it is only the 11º

 

 

Yes, I think you have to specify on the form if you want plates with different dimensions than the standard 11 degrees.  It looks like you can custom order the limit you would like.  (In the video, it appears they sent him others to try, but my guess is that it was because he was on Discord and VPForce knew he was documenting on YT so they provided extras for demonstration, anyway mine only came with the standard 11 degree I ordered).  Also, I think you can set custom hard stops in the software as limits too, but I haven't tried that.

 

2 hours ago, Youtch said:

Is the metal connector something necessary in term of robustness?

 

Yes, as noted by @Aapje it is item #13 on the order form he linked.  There are plenty of people on Discord that said the included 3d print is fine if you are not removing grips often, but again as much due to shipping cost, I didn't want to risk breaking it or cross-threading and just went with the metal one.  FYI, in looking at the order form I remembered that I also ordered the Monster mount.  I had to drill additional holes in it for the DoFR motion rig center crossbar mounting.

 

3 hours ago, Youtch said:

Does anyone know the distance between the stick and the front (or back of the box)? It is not appearing in the diagram with dimension provided by VPForce.

 

Photos in the spoiler below, these will give an approximate since it is hard to find the exact center of the stick without removing the cover, but the numbers add up close to the total of 205mm length shown in the manual diagram.  My ultimate estimation is approximately 135mm on the "knob side - back" and 70mm on the "front" side (realize you can reverse front and back, which is what I did to get the stick closer to the seat).

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

Still in queue for the Rhino. Does anyone here use a usb isolator with your Rhino?

 

[dgiatr]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Still in queue for the Rhino. Does anyone here use a usb isolator with your Rhino?

 

What do you mean?

[hsthhsth]

This is a picture with the exact sizes for the Rhino. On the top it says 125mm from the stick-center to the front (ie. buttons side). The bottom says 205mm overall length. Therefore 205 - 125 = 80mm for stick-center to back.

[Youtch]

My order to VPForce is around the corner with just 55 pending in the queue before me.

 

I contacted qr4rigs, but they don t do extension compatible with VKB adapter. Does anyone know any alternative?

 

I am also now considering using it without extension, although i was mostly interested in the offset.

 

I might end up buying from qr4rigs this protection for the pulleys. As any tried something similar?

https://qr4rigs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45_30&products_id=218

 

The VKB adapter from VPforce anyway seems to be screwed on the very top, hence placing the grip, probably 10mm above the 290mm total height of VPforce base (the thickness of the adapter), hence sitting on top of 300m hight column, correct?

 

I trying to calculate exactly how high the joystick stand.

 

Edited October 21, 2024 by Youtch

[Aapje]

@Youtch

 

Can't you use a Thrustmaster extension and then put the VKB adapter on top of that? For example, this:

 

https://qr4rigs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=231

[Youtch]

35 minutes ago, Aapje said:

@Youtch

 

Can't you use a Thrustmaster extension and then put the VKB adapter on top of that? For example, this:

 

https://qr4rigs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=231

i contacted them, and they said they produce nothing compatible with VKB adapter, which is kind of strange, but I got it from the source directly.

[Aapje]

3 hours ago, Youtch said:

i contacted them, and they said they produce nothing compatible with VKB adapter, which is kind of strange, but I got it from the source directly.

 

Ok, but lets use some common sense. The VKB adapter screws onto the Trustmaster connector. So it shouldn't matter if you screw it directly into the Trustmaster connector of the Rhino, or screw it into an extension with a Trustmaster connector on both sides.

 

I think that QR4Rigs don't understand these more obscure options.

[hsthhsth]

@Youtch, I use the Rhino with a VKB joystick without any problem. Make sure you buy the VKB adapter from VPForce together with the Rhino. This adapter has a cable that you connect to your blackbox as you you do already.

You can also the turn this adapter in any direction, for example the 15 degrees that VKB does standard, because the adapter does not contact the contacts inside the Rhino base.

I did order an extension from QR4rigs so that the VKB joystick comes more to my chair. The VPForce software has settings called 'Static Force' to counterbalance the offset weight caused by the joystick not in line with the base center.

[Youtch]

3 hours ago, hsthhsth said:

@Youtch, I use the Rhino with a VKB joystick without any problem. Make sure you buy the VKB adapter from VPForce together with the Rhino. This adapter has a cable that you connect to your blackbox as you you do already.

You can also the turn this adapter in any direction, for example the 15 degrees that VKB does standard, because the adapter does not contact the contacts inside the Rhino base.

I did order an extension from QR4rigs so that the VKB joystick comes more to my chair. The VPForce software has settings called 'Static Force' to counterbalance the offset weight caused by the joystick not in line with the base center.

Do you know precisely how high above the Rhino stick the the VKB grip stand with the adapter? It looks to me as per the picture 10mm higher, but it could be more.

[hsthhsth]

At first I ordered the 100Rh100 extension, later the 80Rh100 extension because these 20mm shorter fitted better.

You can see all measurements in this picture:

 

Edit: 80mm is the height, 100 mm the offset. So the stick position now is 20mm lower. With the 100mm offset the position of the stick is above the two knobs on the base. I did put in the 11 degrees limiter to shorten the throw of the stick.

Edited October 22, 2024 by hsthhsth

[Dagwoodyt]

Very helpful thread👍 Thus far my Rhino is working well with GB🙂

Edited November 7, 2024 by Dagwoodyt

[Youtch]

I just received mine yesterday, it looks very promesing, but it will take some time before I set-it up on a solid base that can take these forces and torque.

 

I was wandering why the gears are coming uncovered.

I know that Q4RIGS proposes covers, but I am surprised they do not come per default or are not sold on VPForce website direclty. Any idea why?

 

What the consensus regarding the use of VPFore TelemFFB software in IL2 and DCS?

 

Thanks to the community for helping with my choice and for your insights.

[dgiatr]

1 hour ago, Youtch said:

I just received mine yesterday, it looks very promesing, but it will take some time before I set-it up on a solid base that can take these forces and torque.

 

I was wandering why the gears are coming uncovered.

I know that Q4RIGS proposes covers, but I am surprised they do not come per default or are not sold on VPForce website direclty. Any idea why?

 

What the consensus regarding the use of VPFore TelemFFB software in IL2 and DCS?

 

Thanks to the community for helping with my choice and for your insights.

Hi,

I don't need the covers no problem without them.

Telem ffb gives you more effects and the ability to customize them per your needs.