Airlift (Ju52)

[Sandmarken]

3 hours ago, JG4_Deciman said:

Missing file for german base mission description

 

The rest of the german files will take a while, but will follow

 

Deci

 

 

info.locale=ger.zip 461 B · 1 download

Great thx! il see if i can add it next time im on the pc! 

[JG4_Deciman]

Here is the german language file for the first mission.

 

Unless you did not work on the mission in the meantime it should work.

Otherwise the 'Identifyer Numbers' of the Icons, Subtitles, ... could have changed!

 

 

Tested it with the downloaded mission...

 

But there are still some basic 'Icon desc' (so default Icons) in the translated english language file.

 

Simply test it and let me know if it works.

01-Into the Cauldron.zip

[Sandmarken]

57 minutes ago, JG4_Deciman said:

Here is the german language file for the first mission.

 

Unless you did not work on the mission in the meantime it should work.

Otherwise the 'Identifyer Numbers' of the Icons, Subtitles, ... could have changed!

 

 

Tested it with the downloaded mission...

 

But there are still some basic 'Icon desc' (so default Icons) in the translated english language file.

 

Simply test it and let me know if it works.

01-Into the Cauldron.zip 1.16 kB · 0 downloads

Thanks again. Il let you know when i have tested it. 

[JG4_Deciman]

On 10/17/2024 at 7:41 PM, Sandmarken said:

Thanks again. Il let you know when i have tested it. 

Another Package...

 

Info text

Mission 1 to 5

 

All translated to German

 

Deci

Airlift_ger_1-5.zip

[JG4_Deciman]

Final one

 

Mission 6-10 translated to german

 

Deci

Airlift_ger_6-10.zip

[Sandmarken]

55 minutes ago, JG4_Deciman said:

Final one

 

Mission 6-10 translated to german

 

Deci

Airlift_ger_6-10.zip 5.49 kB · 0 downloads

This is great! I will update the campaign with the german translation as soon as im infront of the computer!

[Sandmarken]

Campaign has been updated with a German version all thx to @JG4_Deciman!

[JG4_Deciman]

On 10/20/2024 at 11:01 AM, Sandmarken said:

Campaign has been updated with a German version all thx to @JG4_Deciman!

 

Thanks for mentioning me and updating the campaign.

In case I made some typ errors, missed some <b></b> or so

or after adding further things to the mission that should be translated just let me know.

 

Allways happy when I can help.

 

And finally: A really great campaign!

 

Deci

[Sandmarken]

29 minutes ago, JG4_Deciman said:

 

Thanks for mentioning me and updating the campaign.

In case I made some typ errors, missed some <b></b> or so

or after adding further things to the mission that should be translated just let me know.

 

Allways happy when I can help.

 

And finally: A really great campaign!

 

Deci

Thank you! 

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Meanwhile finished the campaign, again my compliment to create this great experience and your effort to make everything historical accurate 👍🏻👍🏻

 

Like I assumed I think in most cases the wind direction is reversed, latest I got the confirmation in the Heinkel’s bomb sight in the last two missions.

I like to start my missions cold and dark but in the last mission the pressure was too high so I switched to pre warmed engines, it’s no fun warm up a Heinkel while -20 degrees😅😅

 

@JG4_Deciman, after I finished the campaign I installed your translation, great work and thanks a lot for that 🙏🏻

 

Again, thanks a lot for this campaign and for the opportunity to experience this very special aspect of this terrible battle.

 

[Sandmarken]

51 minutes ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

Meanwhile finished the campaign, again my compliment to create this great experience and your effort to make everything historical accurate 👍🏻👍🏻

 

Like I assumed I think in most cases the wind direction is reversed, latest I got the confirmation in the Heinkel’s bomb sight in the last two missions.

I like to start my missions cold and dark but in the last mission the pressure was too high so I switched to pre warmed engines, it’s no fun warm up a Heinkel while -20 degrees😅😅

 

@JG4_Deciman, after I finished the campaign I installed your translation, great work and thanks a lot for that 🙏🏻

 

Again, thanks a lot for this campaign and for the opportunity to experience this very special aspect of this terrible battle.

 

Thank you, I'm happy you enjoyed the campaign. I don't know why the wind has been reversed! I'm sure Ulricus would have noticed if this were always the case, as he helped me with testing and he had an amazing eye for details! 😁 Something must have gone wrong when I had to adjust all the wind settings late in the process. I will fix it the next time I get to look at it!

[JG4_Moltke1871]

1 hour ago, Sandmarken said:

Thank you, I'm happy you enjoyed the campaign. I don't know why the wind has been reversed! I'm sure Ulricus would have noticed if this were always the case, as he helped me with testing and he had an amazing eye for details! 😁 Something must have gone wrong when I had to adjust all the wind settings late in the process. I will fix it the next time I get to look at it!

Sometimes I was confused, maybe you have a look yourself, last two missions I had the impression that the smoke heading to south while the windsock heading north ( correct while wind comes from south like in the bomb sight announced). Also a game buck is possible, on online servers often the windsock heads wrong 🤷🏼‍♂️

[JG4_Deciman]

4 hours ago, Sandmarken said:

Thank you, I'm happy you enjoyed the campaign. I don't know why the wind has been reversed! I'm sure Ulricus would have noticed if this were always the case, as he helped me with testing and he had an amazing eye for details! 😁 Something must have gone wrong when I had to adjust all the wind settings late in the process. I will fix it the next time I get to look at it!

 

I quess its the mismatch between the 2 ways to define a wind direction.

 

We usually use to say 'wind with 3 m/s FROM north'

But in the mission itself you can only set 'wind with 3 m/s TO north'

Maybe I'm wrong, but I guess I'm right.

 

Simpliest way to check that is:

Start the mission where you have a He111 and see what the weather in the bombsight is telling...

 

Deci

 

PS: Just checked by searching the board...

 

 

 

 

I am right...

 

 

Edited October 22, 2024 by JG4_Deciman

[Sandmarken]

1 hour ago, JG4_Deciman said:

 

I quess its the mismatch between the 2 ways to define a wind direction.

 

We usually use to say 'wind with 3 m/s FROM north'

But in the mission itself you can only set 'wind with 3 m/s TO north'

Maybe I'm wrong, but I guess I'm right.

 

Simpliest way to check that is:

Start the mission where you have a He111 and see what the weather in the bombsight is telling...

 

Deci

 

PS: Just checked by searching the board...

 

 

 

 

I am right...

 

 

I was quite sure I knew wind direction in editor, but maybe i wasnt! 

[JG4_Deciman]

38 minutes ago, Sandmarken said:

I was quite sure I knew wind direction in editor, but maybe i wasnt! 

 

 

Just crosschecked the first mission itself and my translation

 

Wind (editor) is at something about 60 degrees

And wind direction (language file) is 'from east'

So it really should be 'from west' (or additional the exact direction)

 

Depending on what is intended...

Either the mission is right (then I can replace the directions in my translation)

or the 'human output (language file)' is right.

Then the mission files must be reworked.

 

Or both, in case the 'human' output is correct (and should be more detailed)

 

Any option: I'll help with the translation if needed.

 

Deci

[Sandmarken]

3 minutes ago, JG4_Deciman said:

 

 

Just crosschecked the first mission itself and my translation

 

Wind (editor) is at something about 60 degrees

And wind direction (language file) is 'from east'

So it really should be 'from west' (or additional the exact direction)

 

Depending on what is intended...

Either the mission is right (then I can replace the directions in my translation)

or the 'human output (language file)' is right.

Then the mission files must be reworked.

 

Or both, in case the 'human' output is correct (and should be more detailed)

 

Any option: I'll help with the translation if needed.

 

Deci

On some missions, the landing lights of Pitomnik will face the direction of the wind to tell the player to land into the wind. That would be the clue to what is right.

[JG4_Deciman]

Ok, so that gives what 'should' be used, because it's intended.

 

Next thing is the question about the wind direction in the descriptions itself.

Now they are not really detailed (only the rough direction is given.)

 

As long as you have transponders available the pilot will notice if there is something going wrong (not matching his flight plan)

But in the later missions there are no beacons available.

 

So you have to calculate the flight plan according to distance, own speed and wind.

In Mission 9 the distance is roughly 250 km.

Beacon is not available

So the pilot has to calculate his course.

 

For that a great tool (Dreieckrechner) was used, calculating even the changes to the course based on wind speed and direction.

But if miscalculated /due to calculation error or wrong wind date)

at that distance even a mismatch between 'calculated course with correct wind data' and 'calculated course with estimated wind data'

of only 1 degree (!) would mead a separation from the 'reached' target point of more than 4 km to the left or right.

 

I've not yet calculated how much the difference for the course angle would be
when using 90 (E) and 45 (NE) or 90 (E) and 72 (ENE) degrees.

But at the slow speed of a ju52 a degree (or more) difference should be possible in calculation.

 

So I'lt tend to letting the exact direction in degrees isn the briefing...

 

Deci

[Sandmarken]

9 hours ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

Sometimes I was confused, maybe you have a look yourself, last two missions I had the impression that the smoke heading to south while the windsock heading north ( correct while wind comes from south like in the bomb sight announced). Also a game buck is possible, on online servers often the windsock heads wrong 🤷🏼‍♂️

I have a look at it! Something has gone wrong at some point! 

4 hours ago, JG4_Deciman said:

Ok, so that gives what 'should' be used, because it's intended.

 

Next thing is the question about the wind direction in the descriptions itself.

Now they are not really detailed (only the rough direction is given.)

 

As long as you have transponders available the pilot will notice if there is something going wrong (not matching his flight plan)

But in the later missions there are no beacons available.

 

So you have to calculate the flight plan according to distance, own speed and wind.

In Mission 9 the distance is roughly 250 km.

Beacon is not available

So the pilot has to calculate his course.

 

For that a great tool (Dreieckrechner) was used, calculating even the changes to the course based on wind speed and direction.

But if miscalculated /due to calculation error or wrong wind date)

at that distance even a mismatch between 'calculated course with correct wind data' and 'calculated course with estimated wind data'

of only 1 degree (!) would mead a separation from the 'reached' target point of more than 4 km to the left or right.

 

I've not yet calculated how much the difference for the course angle would be
when using 90 (E) and 45 (NE) or 90 (E) and 72 (ENE) degrees.

But at the slow speed of a ju52 a degree (or more) difference should be possible in calculation.

 

So I'lt tend to letting the exact direction in degrees isn the briefing...

 

Deci

I will fix the wind descriptions. It should not be a lot of work to fix them. I am pretty sure the text is correct and the value is wrong compared to history. The problem is that I had to tweak them a lot since the AI is terrible at taking off in  Ju 52s in any kind of wind. I do not want to adjust it only to find the Ju 52s crashing all over the airfield. 

[Jaegermeister]

4 hours ago, Sandmarken said:

I have a look at it! Something has gone wrong at some point! 

I will fix the wind descriptions. It should not be a lot of work to fix them. I am pretty sure the text is correct and the value is wrong compared to history. The problem is that I had to tweak them a lot since the AI is terrible at taking off in  Ju 52s in any kind of wind. I do not want to adjust it only to find the Ju 52s crashing all over the airfield. 

 

Yeah, with the big transports anything over 1 and a crosswind will mess them up. You are better off just going with a convenient wind direction that aligns with your runway. No one is going to research that anyway if they even could.

[Sandmarken]

New version up with corrected wind directions.

Edited October 23, 2024 by Sandmarken

[JG4_Deciman]

Just downloaded

 

I'll upload the german language files (they were not updated by the latest mission update) with the corrected wind directions soon.

 

And after doing the course calculation with 'exact' wind and 'wind by description' I can say, it makes not really a difference.

Even a mismatch between 'real' and 'description' of 25 degrees will result only in changes to the decimal part of the course correction needed.

 

Only If the wind strength changes to 5 m/s or more the calculated result of the course could be different in a degree or more.

 

Deci

[JG4_Deciman]

Ok, I'm confused a bit now.

 

Did you change any wind direction inside the misson files

or only  in the language files?

 

mission 1: west (german translation will be corrected by my because no change)

mission 2:west (german translation will be corrected by my because no change)

mission 3 :north (but should be south if not changed inside mssion file)

 

So in case you didn't change the mission files crosscheck the english language files.

When everything is OK then I'll crosscheck the german files.

 

Deci

 

[Sandmarken]

9 minutes ago, JG4_Deciman said:

Ok, I'm confused a bit now.

 

Did you change any wind direction inside the misson files

or only  in the language files?

 

mission 1: west (german translation will be corrected by my because no change)

mission 2:west (german translation will be corrected by my because no change)

mission 3 :north (but should be south if not changed inside mssion file)

 

So in case you didn't change the mission files crosscheck the english language files.

When everything is OK then I'll crosscheck the german files.

 

Deci

 

I changed the text of some and directions on others. The text shoud be correct in all missions now. 

[Jaegermeister]

11 hours ago, JG4_Deciman said:

Only If the wind strength changes to 5 m/s or more the calculated result of the course could be different in a degree or more.

 

One would hope that is never the case. With wind over 3 mps even if they can take off, the planes will not land on most of the maps at all.

[Sandmarken]

8 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

One would hope that is never the case. With wind over 3 mps even if they can take off, the planes will not land on most of the maps at all.

Should not be an issue in the missions as the Ju52s mostly land successfully. 😁

[Tiberia]

Enjoying this campaign so far. I love campaigns for the cool collector airlifters that don't get a ton of love!

[cripplehawk]

Campaign Rocks...Especially the last missions

[Sandmarken]

3 hours ago, cripplehawk said:

Campaign Rocks...Especially the last missions

Thanks! and thanks again for showing it in your videoes 🙂

[jokash]

When i open the Airlift folder in mission selector,are the missions arranged in correct sequence by themselves or do i have to look for the dates.Cause 1st mission was starting on 5.12.42,the second was again on 5.12.42 (Escaping Stalingrad) but my next mission is 1.12.42.Anyways love what there is so far

[Sandmarken]

Just now, jokash said:

When i open the Airlift folder in mission selector,are the missions arranged in correct sequence by themselves or do i have to look for the dates.Cause 1st mission was starting on 5.12.42,the second was again on 5.12.42 (Escaping Stalingrad) but my next mission is 1.12.42.Anyways love what there is so far

Put them in the campaign section, not the mission section. You will then be able to play them through the scripted campaign option in-game.

Happy you like it so far 🙂

[jokash]

3 hours ago, Sandmarken said:

Put them in the campaign section, not the mission section. You will then be able to play them through the scripted campaign option in-game.

Happy you like it so far 🙂

Idk why i put it in mission (think i read somewhere something wrong)..now its showing properly in the menu,(even has a cool little picture)🛫