Brief Room Episode 2: 2023 In Review, Plans For 2024, A Glimpse At The Upcoming Title

[Gambit21]

53 minutes ago, JG27*PapaFly said:

I'm not a fan of early to mid war pacific, but I really like the prospect of late war pacific action. The Ki-84 Frank is the IL-2 46 plane I missed most. From there, one might imagine a transition to Korea, too.

With respect, sure what you’re on about. 
A. It’s Korea

B. There are no flyable Ki-84’s around, and very little information.

 

First PTO flyable aircraft will be the Zero and/or Oscars as both are available for reference.

 

 

When they do go PTO later they’re not going to make it extra hard on themselves.

(also early war is best ?)

[deathmisser]

6 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

When they do go PTO later they’re not going to make it extra hard on themselves.

So they are doing props Korea now so it will make it easier for them to do the late war pacific.

In that case Korea would make sense, not only that but people can make single Japanese collector planes for the Korean area.

All that needs to be done it to add a WW2 layer on the map and missions ect and boom late war east Asia.    

Edited December 31, 2023 by deathmisser

[Gambit21]

7 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

So they are doing props Korea now so it will make it easier for them to do the late war pacific.

In that case Korea would make sense, not only that but people can make single Japanese collector planes for the Korean area.

All that needs to be done it to add a WW2 layer on the map and missions ect and boom late war east Asia.    

I’m not sure the map scope would accompany that. Also very late PTO is about the least compelling thing you could do. My wife’s grandfather flew Hellcats over Japan during that timeframe and never even saw a Japanese aircraft. The only time he fired his guns was strafing Japanese greenhouses.

Late war PTO is not something we’re going to see any time soon.

 

 

[MajorMagee]

I can see the potential for alternate skins already being dreamed of.

 

 

 

 

[JG27_Mainz]

Might be early war Korea before jets show up. We could see superprops like F4U, F-51, La-7, etc.

[Jaegermeister]

1 minute ago, JG27_Mainz said:

Might be early war Korea before jets show up. We could see superprops like F4U, F-51, La-7, etc.

 

No such thing. They were there from the start. 

[deathmisser]

What about UFO's ? I heard they had some action in the Korean war lol

@Gambit21 how many modules could they realistically do with Korea ?  

 

2,3 or 4 ? 

[Gunfreak]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I’m not sure the map scope would accompany that. Also very late PTO is about the least compelling thing you could do. My wife’s grandfather flew Hellcats over Japan during that timeframe and never even saw a Japanese aircraft. The only time he fired his guns was strafing Japanese greenhouses.

Late war PTO is not something we’re going to see any time soon.

 

 

I mean after fall 1944, the Japanese had zero airpower except some special units defending Japanese and kamikaze.

 

Most of 1945 was either groud attack or anti kamikaze work. Might make for a few interesting missions but doing dozens upon dozens won't be very fun.

 

And by end of 42 the Japanese Air power was crippled. All good, half decent and bearly competent pilots had been killed in various carrier battles and then the Solomons campaign.

 

A Japanese airforce pilot said that all the pilots he flunked out of flight school in 39 were all infinitely better then the pilots he was forced to use in 43.

 

Almost no Japanese navy pilots became carrier qualified after 42, already by 43 some Japanese pilots could just keep level flight and nor much else. The Marianas turkey shoot really was a turkey shoot. Ameican pilots could just fly behind Japanese bombers and torpedo bombers and shot down one after another until they ran out of ammo.

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, JG27*PapaFly said:

I'm not a fan of early to mid war pacific, but I really like the prospect of late war pacific action. The Ki-84 Frank is the IL-2 46 plane I missed most. From there, one might imagine a transition to Korea, too.

So you saw a video with a B-29 and IL-10 and thought the next game is most likely late Pacific and then a transition to Korea?  

[Avimimus]

12 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

No such thing. They were there from the start. 

 

You mean the F-80C? It certainly took a while for the F-86 and F-84 to arrive - same goes for the Mig-15.

[CountZero]

22 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

I’m not sure the map scope would accompany that. Also very late PTO is about the least compelling thing you could do. My wife’s grandfather flew Hellcats over Japan during that timeframe and never even saw a Japanese aircraft. The only time he fired his guns was strafing Japanese greenhouses.

Late war PTO is not something we’re going to see any time soon.

 

 

its same thing why ppl wont late war german airplanes, they were good on paper not what they did in real world, non of them mather realy there, but in game where you can have unrealistic scenarious in SP or in MP, airplanes good on paper are differant thing and they become favorits for a reason.

[Avimimus]

 

2 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

So you saw a video with a B-29 and IL-10 and thought the next game is most likely late Pacific and then a transition to Korea?  

 

People are allowed to imagine. The post said 'one might imagine'.

[Gambit21]

23 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

What about UFO's ? I heard they had some action in the Korean war lol

@Gambit21 how many modules could they realistically do with Korea ?  

 

2,3 or 4 ? 

Honestly - IMHO 1, with carrier expansion and collectors aircraft. 2? I don’t know…maybe. Really PTO needs to happen directly after. I can’t really imagine stretching it into 2 modules.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Gambit21

[Gambit21]

11 minutes ago, CountZero said:

its same thing why ppl wont late war german airplanes, they were good on paper not what they did in real world, non of them mather realy there, but in game where you can have unrealistic scenarious in SP or in MP, airplanes good on paper are differant thing and they become favorits for a reason.

I totally get that.

The point is that there are much more interesting and relevant things to do first.

Just like with the German AC:

[Pict]

I'm glad they are planning another Stuka variant. I was actually flying the D-3 we have yesterday and was thinking another Stuka would be good, only I was thinking of a B-2 for the Moscow map

 

D-5 will be happily accepted though anyhow  

[deathmisser]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Honestly - IMHO 1, with carrier expansion and collectors aircraft. 2? I don’t know…maybe. Really PTO needs to happen directly after. I can’t really imagine stretching it into 2 modules.

Mhm I'm just thinking of Early, mid and late Korean war, but yea F-4's are way out of the picture lol

 

[Jaegermeister]

20 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

You mean the F-80C? It certainly took a while for the F-86 and F-84 to arrive - same goes for the Mig-15.

 

Yes, they were in Japan when the N Koreans invaded S Korea, and there were Mig15s already in combat in China. I think it only took a couple of months before the Migs were in Korea too.  

[Avimimus]

14 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

Yes, they were in Japan when the N Koreans invaded S Korea, and there were Mig15s already in combat in China. I think it only took a couple of months before the Migs were in Korea too.  

 

The most balanced and diverse part of the airwar happened in that earlier period though... after a while the DPRK had lost most if its aircraft, the number of U.N. aircraft increased, and the North Koreans mainly flew intercept missions (and then mainly over the North itself). One sees a lot more types with a lot more numerical balance if one focusses on the beginning.

[Gambit21]

3 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

The most balanced and diverse part of the airwar happened in that earlier period though... after a while the DPRK had lost most if its aircraft, the number of U.N. aircraft increased, and the North Koreans mainly flew intercept missions (and then mainly over the North itself). One sees a lot more types with a lot more numerical balance if one focusses on the beginning.

Yep - which can be “what if” expanded in time frame for the purposes of game play.

 

[Jaegermeister]

I won't disagree, but air combat it has been a constant game of one-upsmanship since Jan Olieslagers fired his pistol at a German pilot who saluted him. 

[Avimimus]

39 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Honestly - IMHO 1, with carrier expansion and collectors aircraft. 2? I don’t know…maybe. Really PTO needs to happen directly after. I can’t really imagine stretching it into 2 modules.

 

F-80C, F-84G, F-86A, F-86F, Meteor F.8, F-51, F-82, A-1, B-26, B-29, Mig-15, Mig-15Bis, La-9, Yak-9P, Il-10, Tu-2s, U-2/Po-2, La-7 or An-2... that is definitely enough for two modules. They could also release a couple of contemporary aircraft that didn't serve in the war as Collector Planes for us to dogfight with (e.g. Vampire, La-15, or even a Chinese Il-28).

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

 

F-80C, F-84G, F-86A, F-86F, Meteor F.8, F-51, F-82, A-1, B-26, B-29, Mig-15, Mig-15Bis, La-9, Yak-9P, Il-10, Tu-2s, U-2/Po-2, La-7 or An-2... that is definitely enough for two modules. They could also release a couple of contemporary aircraft that didn't serve in the war as Collector Planes for us to dogfight with (e.g. Vampire, La-15, or even a Chinese Il-28).

Most of that will be accounted for in the first module and AI I think.

 

La-7, La-9 and A1 can’t account for a second module, but along with carriers and Panthers perhaps.

 

 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Don't forget the B 45 Tornado. Used for photo recon during the conflict, at least one being shot down by a Mig.

 

[deathmisser]

28 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

F-80C, F-84G, F-86A, F-86F, Meteor F.8, F-51, F-82, A-1, B-26, B-29, Mig-15, Mig-15Bis, La-9, Yak-9P, Il-10, Tu-2s, U-2/Po-2, La-7 or An-2... that is definitely enough for two modules. They could also release a couple of contemporary aircraft that didn't serve in the war as Collector Planes for us to dogfight with (e.g. Vampire, La-15, or even a Chinese Il-28).

I would imagine the first module will be mainly props if there is enough interest then they may go for the second one.    

 

Something like this 

 

USSR/NK

La-7
Il-10
Tu-2

 

Collectors 

Yak-9P

 

US/SK
F4U
A-1
B-26

 

Collectors 
F-51K

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by deathmisser

[BraveSirRobin]

If the first module does not have the Mig 15 and the f86 then there won't be a second module.

[Gambit21]

22 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

I would imagine the first module will be mainly props if there is enough interest then they may go for the second one.    

 

Something like this 

 

USSR/NK

La-7
Il-10
Tu-2

 

Collectors 

Yak-9P

 

US/SK
F4U
A-1
B-26

 

Collectors 
F-51K

 

 Not quite 

[EAF19_Marsh]

What’s with the anti-Anglo mood? What about the other awesomes aircraft?

[deathmisser]

35 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 Not quite 

Maybe,

 

but I do like the idea of the 2nd module exclusively for jet's only. As people only like props can get the prop one aka part one without being F'ed by jet's.

While the jet's one can be for people who may just want to play with jet's plus allow for more iconic one too. 

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, deathmisser said:

Maybe,

 

but I do like the idea of the 2nd module exclusively for jet's only. As people only like props can get the prop one aka part one without being F'ed by jet's.

While the jet's one can be for people who may just want to play with jet's plus allow for more iconic one too. 

Jets are coming out the gate.along with props.

 

[deathmisser]

Just now, Gambit21 said:

Jets are coming out the gate.along with props.

 

Well we kinda don't know that apart from they said it will be prop based in the Enigma interview. 

[Gambit21]

36 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Well we kinda don't know that…

Yeah we kinda do.

[deathmisser]

30 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Yeah we kinda do.

Why do you work for them ? Are you part of their team 

[Gambit21]

6 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Why do you work for them ? Are you part of their team 

You’ll just have to wait and see, just like you did finding out that …yes, it’s actually Korea.  

 

[BraveSirRobin]

17 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Maybe,

 

but I do like the idea of the 2nd module exclusively for jet's only. As people only like props can get the prop one aka part one without being F'ed by jet's.

While the jet's one can be for people who may just want to play with jet's plus allow for more iconic one too. 

 

Their sales model is designed to force people who want props to buy jets, people who want jets to buy props, people who want fighters to buy bombers, etc....etc...etc...

 

That is how they survive.   It isn't going to change.

[EAF19_Marsh]

21 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Their sales model is designed to force people who want props to buy jets, people who want jets to buy props, people who want fighters to buy bombers, etc....etc...etc...

 

That is how they survive.   It isn't going to change.

Bit harsh. They sell modules with mixed assets. 

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Bit harsh. They sell modules with mixed assets. 

 

It's not harsh at all.  That is how they survive.  And as long as they survive it's a good business plan.

[deathmisser]

19 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Bit harsh. They sell modules with mixed assets. 

Tbh I like the current set up it's get's people to play different area of the war. 

[Gambit21]

It’s going to be a great module.

Some guys will be happy just with MiG vs Sabre all day (and who can blame them) while others will explore other jets or props. 
 

I personally wouldn’t ignore the Corsair or La-11 even though my primary love is that F-86 and even more so the MiG. 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

The only comment that doesn't fit with Korea IMO is calling it a "romantic setting." It is anything but, no? To me, romantic scenery screams Italy/Sicily/Greece, but that doesn't match the screenshots. Maybe these are purposeful subterfuge.

8 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

We had no real Q&A part in this video, does it mean, we will have a 2nd part?

Yes

[Gunfreak]

6 minutes ago, =DW=_drewm3i-VR said:

The only comment that doesn't fit with Korea IMO is calling it a "romantic setting." It is anything but, no? To me, romantic scenery screams Italy/Sicily/Greece, but that doesn't match the screenshots. Maybe these are purposeful subterfuge.

Yes

Air war is always more romantic then grunts slogging it out in the mud or snow.(unless you happen to be in a bomber that is) Korea saw jet duels that has the same feeling as Spitfires and Messerschmitts over England 1940. 

 

If you want proper romantic war, then we need to do Seven years war, but I doubt we'll see IL-2: Leuthen anytime soon.