Brief Room Episode 2: 2023 In Review, Plans For 2024, A Glimpse At The Upcoming Title

[Avimimus]

34 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

I'm confused about why they would want to spend time making actual tunnels. 

 

I'm not complaining, just wondering how that ended up as a priority. Is there a gameplay mechanic in the new project that requires it? Is the map very mountainous?

 

Parts of Korea are very mountainous. I think they also want to improve their map technology overall (as they have done with every release so far). It'd be nice if this type of thing paved the way for trenches... not sure, it probably would be different tech, but still... it'd be a nice feature.

[76IAP-Black]

We had no real Q&A part in this video, does it mean, we will have a 2nd part?

[Guest deleted@83466]

All earlier fake trash talk aside, I think outside of PTO, this is the best theater they could have picked.  However, it’s true in my case as well, that for existing DCS customers, the MiG-15 vs F-86 situation doesn’t come with much novelty.  And those DCS planes are pretty darned easy to operate, startup wise, systems wise, etc, so it’s not like I need a GB-style “lite” version to make them accessible.  I also don’t happen to be interested in the piston engine rivalries of that era as much (the 100 or so NK pistons aircraft were obliterated by overwhelming UN aircraft in short order, weren’t they?).   I’m going to continue doing what I’ve been doing for years now with GB:  check back on the forum now and then to see what’s going on.  The flight sim market is a lot more lively than when I started RoF and GB all those years ago, so when this comes out, I’ll just play it by ear. I mean, we have F-4’s, A-6, F-8, etc in the pipeline in DCS, so there is lively competition for my gaming interest.  I’m more into full study-sim helicopters and later generation jets these days, but that could change if the new game is really good.

[Lusekofte]

1 minute ago, SeaSerpent said:

mean, we have F-4’s, A-6, F-8, etc in the pipeline in DCS, so there is lively competition for my gaming interest

This is what I be doing.  And continue the chopper experience.  I was just in hoping to see New Guinea. I would have loved that

[von_Tom]

If it’s a theatre that hasn’t been done before that rules out Korea, unless Rowan’s Mig Alley has been ignored. 
 

My current guess is a late-war Germany map for GB touching on Berlin, and the new thing based on the Japanese homelands area. 
 

Either way we’ll just have to wait. 
 

Happy new year everyone. 
 

von Tom

[Avimimus]

35 minutes ago, 76IAP-Black said:

We had no real Q&A part in this video, does it mean, we will have a 2nd part?

 

Yes, the Q&A part will be uploaded soon. Apparently, it is almost an hour long. See the original post in this thread for the announcement!

 

  

31 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Ground textures is from early 80’s boy the map itself do not impress me. 

 

??

[T24_Martin]

The big point for IL-2 over DCS is it's concept of having a map, a timeframe, a corresponding plane set and the air, ground and sea AI forces to make it alive. 

 

I very much hope the team will continue this way of giving us a holistic SIM experience!

[Mad_Mikhael]

I'm a little bit split. I would love to fly in a Korean War setting, but we are missing so many things in WWII. But it is what it is. I'm happy and excited ?

 

Previously Devs stated that they didn't want to reveal the next project setting without solid info because people's imagination will go wild and they cannot reach that level. And now they showed us a B-29 without saying if it's AI only or flyable to us. I wish we could fly it, but there is no way, it's a more complicated aircraft and maps should be much bigger for it, B-29s were not based in Korea, the main base for B-29 operations was on the island of Okinawa.

[Avimimus]

I have had to remove a few posts. Two things I'd like to make clear:

(1) This thread is for discussing the Briefing Room video and its contents. Not other projects or other topics.

(2) Avoid ridiculing or 'trash talking'. This applies to people who aren't here, including other developers. We don't need a flame war.  Keep your feedback specific and constructive (even when referring to projects by other companies).

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

no map or area works just fine for DCS for years, they even do later jets in pretend places over same map... and AI, well i didnt here them talking about it and its one of big problems in todays game how disconected you are from your other AI wingmans or flight leads, so i would not expect big change in new game , as it seams ppl just buy and play no mather how good or bad AI skill or cooperation is. Or maybe well get more about SP improvments in Q/A part. But to me its always with modern games that AI and SP imersion is not that important.

 

and if you have game that have good jet airplanes in both sides, no one will realy be playing yak-9P vs F-51D, they gona come because jets and in MP its gona be jets vs jets and few GA props, but even then why take prop when you can use F-84. Its like when ppl think about BoB they think about Spit vs 109 not Hurri vs 109, its same for Korea, there is playnty of other airplanes but most think about Mig15 vs F-86, like its PTO Zero vs Cats and so on... Combat Pilot didnt start by making Ki-43 and P-39, they go with Zero vs F4F or bust.

Tunels were important in Korea war

It does not work very well, hence the ongoing effort to make new and relevant maps. The 2 1950s aircraft are a throwback to when the whole project was borderline dysfunctional.

 

And, has been shown by the market for a wide variety of aircraft types and roles, people do not simply fly ‘Spitfire vs. 109’. Or anything else would be loss-making and ignored. Which is not the case.

 

A headline is one thing, but people that like sims tend to stay for the wider content.

[BraveSirRobin]

25 minutes ago, von_Tom said:

If it’s a theatre that hasn’t been done before that rules out Korea, unless Rowan’s Mig Alley has been ignored. 
 

My current guess is a late-war Germany map for GB touching on Berlin, and the new thing based on the Japanese homelands area. 
 

Either way we’ll just have to wait. 
 

Happy new year everyone. 
 

von Tom

We don’t actually have to wait.  It’s Korea.

[EAF19_Marsh]

5 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

We don’t actually have to wait.  It’s Korea.

Nah. Taiwan Straits, mid-‘50s.

 

Be sure.

[Gunfreak]

On 12/31/2023 at 4:16 PM, SeaSerpent said:

All earlier fake trash talk aside, I think outside of PTO, this is the best theater they could have picked.  However, it’s true in my case as well, that for existing DCS customers, the MiG-15 vs F-86 situation doesn’t come with much novelty.  And those DCS planes are pretty darned easy to operate, startup wise, systems wise, etc, so it’s not like I need a GB-style “lite” version to make them accessible.  I also don’t happen to be interested in the piston engine rivalries of that era as much (the 100 or so NK pistons aircraft were obliterated by overwhelming UN aircraft in short order, weren’t they?).   I’m going to continue doing what I’ve been doing for years now with GB:  check back on the forum now and then to see what’s going on.  The flight sim market is a lot more lively than when I started RoF and GB all those years ago, so when this comes out, I’ll just play it by ear. I mean, we have F-4’s, A-6, F-8, etc in the pipeline in DCS, so there is lively competition for my gaming interest.  I’m more into full study-sim helicopters and later generation jets these days, but that could change if the new game is really good.

If the new map(s) have higher fidelity, and the general effects of weapons are improved, then there would be so much ground attack stuff to do in Korea outside the basic mig vs sabre. the navy and marines did so much ground attack with Corsairs,  Skyraiders and Panthers. I mean in DCS I do more ground attack then dogfighting in both warbirds and jets as its so nice (even if the HAVR explosions are giant 500lb bomb explosions)  few things is more satisfying then ripping apart a hun column with 8 .50s from the P47

Edited January 1, 2024 by Gunfreak

[EAF19_Marsh]

Also, beyond the boring headline pair, can I get a SeaFury, a FireFly and a Meteor F-8?

[deathmisser]

If they are going to go to Korea can we have at least the Meteor and the Vampire as the Meteor can at least be used in the Normandy map. 

[blitze]

Interested in the arrival of more VVS aircraft and the Ta.  That and the updating of landscape lighting and sky in the new title.  I think that will make a huge improvement (lighting) for VR users.  At the moment it is quite tricky to keep track of transports one's escorting and ground pounders.  Within a few km these puppies should be easier to keep tabs on.

 

Maybe a 25 release with some tasty new GPUs to match.

 

More multi threading of the game engine would be appreciated too.  Normandy Beach Patrols hit me hard yet the CPU ain't doing much but all that crunching is being done on limited threads. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I’ll be interested  to see how they deal with the lopsided plane sets of Korea.  Operations of Soviet-built piston aircraft seem so very limited here, historically.  If this were the Stalingrad timeframe, it would be like flying small numbers of Yak-1s and Lagg-3s against an armada of Me-262s, Arados, and Tempests.

[BraveSirRobin]

5 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

If they are going to go to Korea can we have at least the Meteor and the Vampire as the Meteor can at least be used in the Normandy map. 

It’s unlikely that any of these aircraft can be used on the GB maps.

[migmadmarine]

17 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I’ll be interested  to see how they deal with the lopsided plane sets of Korea.  Operations of Soviet-built piston aircraft seem so very limited here, historically.  If this were the Stalingrad timeframe, it would be like flying small numbers of Yak-1s and Lagg-3s against an armada of Me-262s, Arados, and Tempests.

A number of the improvements shown seem to go toward improving the ground pounder gameplay (like the more diverse damage modeling for ground targets, introduction of tunnels for targets to hide in/pass through) so I imagine that will be a big focus for the UN side of the equation. Flying a NorK career mode will be quite a challenge I'm sure, but for multiplayer, servers don't strictly follow how historical encounters shaped up in any case 9 times out of 10, so it'll probably just result in more MiG 15s about. 

[ITAF_Rani]

I Hope after Karelia and Odessa release, the Devs will continue to develop WW2 theaters in parallel with the new project..( maybe with the help of new 3rd parts)

[Avimimus]

47 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Also, beyond the boring headline pair, can I get a SeaFury, a FireFly and a Meteor F-8?

 

Firefly sounds unlikely (sadly). I do hope they do an RAAF Meteor F.8 though - I believe it'd be the only U.N. jet with cannons.

 

 

24 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

If they are going to go to Korea can we have at least the Meteor and the Vampire as the Meteor can at least be used in the Normandy map. 

 

The Korean War era versions of these planes are very different from the WWII era versions (think Fw-190A2 vs. D9 or even Ta-152).

 

It would be great if they released a couple of other contemporary aircraft as Collector Planes (even if they didn't see service in Korea, they'd provide more varied opponents online). The Vampire FB.5 and Lavochin La-15 come to mind as aircraft that would increase the diversity of fighter opponents.

 

P.S. The Chinese were receiving Il-28 by the end of the war, and by the end of the war Chinese troops were directly fighting the U.N. troops on the ground - so the idea of Il-28 being repainted into DPRK colours isn't that implausible. Alas, I believe the Canberra B.I was only used in Europe...? But it would have been neat to have a jet bomber for both sides.

[CountZero]

40 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I’ll be interested  to see how they deal with the lopsided plane sets of Korea.  Operations of Soviet-built piston aircraft seem so very limited here, historically.  If this were the Stalingrad timeframe, it would be like flying small numbers of Yak-1s and Lagg-3s against an armada of Me-262s, Arados, and Tempests.

we stil dont know if they gona be doing 10 airplanes like in this game, just differant versions of F-86 would fill up that number fast. Or if its gona even be 5v5, Tu-2, IL-10, Yak-9, La-9 , Po-2 and MiG-15 early and late veriosn is all you realy need for N.Korean side. I dont expect MP would have realistic battles, we dont have that here with late war west front, and in SP who knows what they plan to do to make it interesting for both sides.

[Jade_Monkey]

Anyone figured out which plane does this landing gear belong to? 

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

It looks to me like we will get all those things listed above. I just wonder if the mission editor will get a rework… @LukeFF, any word on that? Maybe it’s on the Q&A list.

 

I imagine that it is something in the question and answer session, but I haven't seen anything from that video so I guess we'll all find out together. ?

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I was just in hoping to see New Guinea. I would have loved that

If you let yourself go down that rabbit hole it was entirety self-inflicted. ? No PTO or CBI was obvious from Q/A a long time ago when Wardog was still here.

[Koziolek]

13 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

I imagine that it is something in the question and answer session, but I haven't seen anything from that video so I guess we'll all find out together. ?

and when is the second part planned to be released?

[deathmisser]

38 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

The Korean War era versions of these planes are very different from the WWII era versions (think Fw-190A2 vs. D9 or even Ta-152).

 

It would be great if they released a couple of other contemporary aircraft as Collector Planes (even if they didn't see service in Korea, they'd provide more varied opponents online). The Vampire FB.5 and Lavochin La-15 come to mind as aircraft that would increase the diversity of fighter opponents.

Well I guess they could do variants in a variant thing like how they are doing with the Hurricane Mk.II just a guess. 

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

we stil dont know if they gona be doing 10 airplanes like in this game, just differant versions of F-86 would fill up that number fast. Or if its gona even be 5v5, Tu-2, IL-10, Yak-9, La-9 , Po-2 and MiG-15 early and late veriosn is all you realy need for N.Korean side. I dont expect MP would have realistic battles, we dont have that here with late war west front, and in SP who knows what they plan to do to make it interesting for both sides.

La-11, not La-9

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

 

Firefly sounds unlikely (sadly). I do hope they do an RAAF Meteor F.8 though - I believe it'd be the only U.N. jet with cannons.

Nah all the US navy aircraft had 20mm, both prop and jets.

Exception was some Corsair on the smaller carriers had 6 .50 cals(something about ease of loading the guns in a small space.)

F9 panther and F2H Banshee both jets, both 4 20mm guns. Most of the Corsairs and all of the skyraiders had 4 20mm.

[RufusK]

28 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Anyone figured out which plane does this landing gear belong to? 

It is a B-29 main gear with one wheel omitted to show detail. 

[FTC_Mephisto]

List of things shown from new project as far as I could decode:

 

USATC locomotive

B-29 landing gear

Corsair

Pontoon bridge type used by the Allies

Il-10

GMC CCKW 
IS-2 tank

Some new buildings types

B-29

Unknown V14 engine

Wright R-3350 engine from B-29
Late type Yak-9?

Concrete airstrip with some permanent lighting

Damaged GMC CCKW

Explosion with the truck flying up in the air

Yak at night 

P-51D with USAF markings 

[JG27*PapaFly]

I'm not a fan of early to mid war pacific, but I really like the prospect of late war pacific action. The Ki-84 Frank is the IL-2 46 plane I missed most. From there, one might imagine a transition to Korea, too.

[deathmisser]

10 minutes ago, FTC_Mephisto said:

List of things shown from new project as far as I could decode:

 

USATC locomotive

B-29 landing gear

Corsair

Pontoon bridge type used by the Allies

Il-10

GMC CCKW 
IS-2 tank

Some new buildings types

B-29

Unknown V14 engine

Wright R-3350 engine from B-29
Late type Yak-9?

Concrete airstrip with some permanent lighting

Damaged GMC CCKW

Explosion with the truck flying up in the air

Yak at night 

P-51D with USAF markings 

I've ran out of reactions so upvote. 

 

And don't for get to list the new collectors planes and new maps that been confirmed too. 

 

Some WW2 combat reports on the IL-10

 

"In October 1944, the Il-10 first entered service with training units in the Soviet Air Force. 
In January 1945, the first Il-10 combat unit entered service with the 78th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment, 
but it did not enter action due to unfinished training. However, 
three other Il-10 units managed to take part in the final combat actions of World War II in Europe. T
hey were the 571st Assault Aviation Regiment (from 15 April 1945), 
the 108th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment (from 16 April 1945), and the 118th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment 
(on 8 May 1945). About a dozen aircraft were destroyed by flak or engine breakdowns, 
but the Il-10 appeared to be a successful design. One was shot down by an Fw 190 fighter, 
but a crew of the 118th Regiment shot down another Fw 190 and probably damaged another. 
On 10 May 1945, the day after the official Soviet end of the war, (Victory Day), 
there were 120 serviceable Il-10s in Soviet Air Force combat units, and 26 disabled ones.

After the USSR entered the war against the Empire of Japan, with the invasion of Manchuria, from 9 August 1945, 
one Il-10 unit, the 26th Assault Aviation Regiment of the Pacific Navy Aviation, 
was used in combat in the Korean Peninsula, attacking Japanese ships in Rasin and rail transports."

 

So the IL-10 could be used for late/end war maps.  

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by deathmisser

[LukeFF]

53 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

and when is the second part planned to be released?

 

When the translation work is done. 

[Avimimus]

12 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

 

So the IL-10 could be used for late/end war maps.  

 

 

Did the DPRK have Il-10 or Il-10M?

[CountZero]

12 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

I've ran out of reactions so upvote. 

 

And don't for get to list the new collectors planes and new maps that been confirmed too. 

 

Some WW2 combat reports on the IL-10

 

"In October 1944, the Il-10 first entered service with training units in the Soviet Air Force. 
In January 1945, the first Il-10 combat unit entered service with the 78th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment, 
but it did not enter action due to unfinished training. However, 
three other Il-10 units managed to take part in the final combat actions of World War II in Europe. T
hey were the 571st Assault Aviation Regiment (from 15 April 1945), 
the 108th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment (from 16 April 1945), and the 118th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment 
(on 8 May 1945). About a dozen aircraft were destroyed by flak or engine breakdowns, 
but the Il-10 appeared to be a successful design. One was shot down by an Fw 190 fighter, 
but a crew of the 118th Regiment shot down another Fw 190 and probably damaged another. 
On 10 May 1945, the day after the official Soviet end of the war, (Victory Day), 
there were 120 serviceable Il-10s in Soviet Air Force combat units, and 26 disabled ones.

After the USSR entered the war against the Empire of Japan, with the invasion of Manchuria, from 9 August 1945, 
one Il-10 unit, the 26th Assault Aviation Regiment of the Pacific Navy Aviation, 
was used in combat in the Korean Peninsula, attacking Japanese ships in Rasin and rail transports."

 

So the IL-10 could be used for late/end war maps.  

 

So they plan to do late ww2 war project, but at same time they will make collector only , only 2 late war fighters that fit in with that IL-10 ? how that makes more sence then... its Korea ? Or you think all airplanes they plan to make for new project youll be able to use in GB ? or picture of IL-10 is onother collector airplane for GB ? 

[deathmisser]

2 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Did the DPRK have Il-10 or Il-10M?

 

 

"In the late 1940s, 93 Il-10 and UIl-10s were given to North Korea. 
They were then used in the 57th Assault Aviation Regiment during the early phase of the Korean War. 
They were initially used with success against the weak anti-aircraft defense of South Korean forces 
(following the US refusal to supply the south with "heavy weapons"), 
but then they suffered heavy losses in encounters against the United States Air Force fighters 
and were bombed on the ground themselves. After several weeks, about 20 remained. 
In the summer of 1950, North Korea received more aircraft from the USSR. 
The North Koreans claimed that they sank a warship on 22 August 1950 with Il-10s, but it was never confirmed."

 

I think just Il-10's 

[CountZero]

28 minutes ago, FTC_Mephisto said:

List of things shown from new project as far as I could decode:

 

USATC locomotive

B-29 landing gear

Corsair

Pontoon bridge type used by the Allies

Il-10

GMC CCKW 
IS-2 tank

Some new buildings types

B-29

Unknown V14 engine

Wright R-3350 engine from B-29
Late type Yak-9?

Concrete airstrip with some permanent lighting

Damaged GMC CCKW

Explosion with the truck flying up in the air

Yak at night 

P-51D with USAF markings 

Antena going trough rear glass is Yak-9P thing from what i see, so that picture of Yak is most likely Yak-9P

[deathmisser]

2 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Antena going trough rear glass is Yak-9P thing from what i see, so that picture of Yak is most likely Yak-9P

If it's a P then that a year after the war and guess who also used them, NK so yea it's defo Korea. 

Edited December 31, 2023 by deathmisser

[=_=HeavenAndClouds]

21 hours ago, JG_deserteagle540 said:

The TA152 high altitude interceptor makes sense against those bombers.

Yeah there was like 6 Ta-152 squadrons based in Japan fighting againts B-29s 

21 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Well the Ta 152 never intercepted a B-29, and they won't be venturing into the IL2 1946 alternative history,

Yeah these next announced collectors are just another addition to Great Battles so late war in this case. It's just a collector like IAR80 or any other. But I'm gonna be the first to buy Ta-152 for sure. 

20 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

"Small number of IS-2s; unknown number deployed in combat in the Korean War. Remains both active and reserve within the KPA."

iiirc there was plenty of T-34 (85) as well in Korea.