What is the next collectors aircraft you will buy?

[Pict]

I'm currently up to date will all they have to offer, so it'd be fair to say I'll buy pretty much anything they produce...with the execption of any kind of 1946-esque drawing board wunderwaffe

 

That said I don't mind speculating and it can be divided into three areas, what I would expect them to do and what I would be very happy to have, but don't remotely expect of them and stuff I would be happy to have, yet be utterly shocked to see

 

I expect to see some of the following;

 

Spitfire Mk IXc

P-40M

Bf-109-G10

La-7

Yak-3

Ta-152-H

A-20G

B-25 or B-26 flyable

 

 

I would be very happy to have;

 

P-40 Klimov mod

Mosquito B MKIV glass nose

P-40B/C

P-36

Macchi MC.200

M.S.406/410 & Morko

Fiat G.50

 

I would be happy to have, yet be utterly shocked to see;

 

Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat

Nakjima Ki...just about anything  but a Ki-44 would be fun

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Pict
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[Jade_Monkey]

21 minutes ago, Pict said:

I expect to see some of the following;

 

Spitfire Mk IXc

 

Been announced for a while, coming 2024

[Vishnu]

All of them.  I want to support the progress of this sim.  

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Hopefully a Nieuport 24.

Or a P40b, or BoB Spitfire. 

[Avimimus]

I'm enjoying that we have an old fashioned plane wishlist thread going for Christmas.

 

I'd say an I-153 or Ta-152H (whichever is released first). There are a lot of neat unreleased variants out there (e.g. Pe-3, P-39Q), but my mind right now flows towards a Fw-189 (if I were to pick).

 

For WWI there are a lot of options I've looked at... there is definitely room for a Flying Circus IV, although I suspect the team will remain focussed on higher priority projects. That said, we desperately need a slower two-seater for each side (i.e. Caudron G.IV, B.E.2c, Morane-Saulnier L, and an Albatros C.I or LVG C.II) to act as targets for the 1916 fighters. There are also some interesting single-seat fighters left (e.g. Roland D.VIb, Fokker D.II, Roland D.II, Airco D.H.5), two seat fighters (Hannover Cl.IIa, Nieuport N.12), and several variants or field mods (e.g. a fixed forward firing gun for the F.E.2b/d) etc.

 

I do hope they can spare the resources to add one or two new Collector Planes to Flying Circus per year... it'd give a sense that the product line isn't abandoned and help generate continued interest in it.

[LukeFF]

An Fw 189 is one I'd like to see too. It was the bane of the VVS in the first few years of the war, and they typically awarded pilots with prominent medals any time one was shot down. There was one pilot in 1943 who was awarded the Order of the Red Banner (so, just below Hero of the Soviet Union status) after downing two in a short span of time.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

4 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

For WWI there are a lot of options I've looked at... there is definitely room for a Flying Circus IV, although I suspect the team will remain focussed on higher priority projects. That said, we desperately need a slower two-seater for each side (i.e. Caudron G.IV, B.E.2c, Morane-Saulnier L, and an Albatros C.I or LVG C.II) to act as targets for the 1916 fighters. There are also some interesting single-seat fighters left (e.g. Roland D.VIb, Fokker D.II, Roland D.II, Airco D.H.5), two seat fighters (Hannover Cl.IIa, Nieuport N.12), and several variants or field mods (e.g. a fixed forward firing gun for the F.E.2b/d) etc.

I agree but I'd like to add engine variants of som of the planes we have like the Mercedes aü engine for the Fokker DVII.

Some of us have been hoping for that since the RoF days.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Pict]

2 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Been announced for a while, coming 2024

Oh cool, I missed that info, thanks 

 

It makes sense of course being a big player on the Normandy map and it would be relatively easy working from what they already have in the IXe as opposed to starting from scratch

 

Much as the MK.IXc is seen as the definative MK.IX, I would like to see a MK.XVI too as they were common with 2 TAF on the Bodenplatte map in the ground pounding role. I like the idea of hedge hopping in a clipped wing, bubble top MK.IX, well XVI with the Packard motor

[Avimimus]

9 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

I agree but I'd like to add engine variants of som of the planes we have like the Mercedes aü engine for the Fokker DVII.

Some of us have been hoping for that since the RoF days.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

The Sopwith Camel too! I think it would add quite a bit to campaign play (and some server balancing). The Camel we have, for example, is essentially as fast as a Fokker D.VII,, but some of the early variants would have to rely on manoeuvrability more.

 

P.S. The Fokker D.II is desirable as most 1916 German units still had a mix of fighters (i.e. Halberstadt, Albatros, and Fokker), so representing them accurately really requires all three! However, the Fokker D.III might be more interesting from a gameplay perspective. It is a similar, but quite different design to the D.II, built around the expensive and hard to maintain Ur.III engine. This gave it a fantastic power-to-weight ratio for 1916, but it was generally provided only to aces (similar to the Spad D.XII)! A similar relationship existed between the Fokker E.III and Fokker E.IV (which was basically an enlarged and significantly redesigned airplane built to use the same Ur.III engine, and having a remarkable power-to-weight ratio for the era, although lacking in manoeuvrability).

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Pict said:

... I would like to see a MK.XVI too as they were common with 2 TAF on the Bodenplatte map in the ground pounding role. I like the idea of hedge hopping in a clipped wing, bubble top MK.IX, well XVI with the Packard motor

 

Except for the bubble top (AFAIK intro No 66 squadron 17/03/45) and the Packard built 266 (identical performance to Merlin 66) you already have that Spitfire Mk XVI in form of the Mk IX(e) with clipped wings ?

Edited December 26, 2023 by sevenless

[Docholiday]

I expect the A-20G, perhaps a B-25

 

 

BUT  I would like to the A Beaufighter VIC  or X   ?

 

a B-25G or A-26 Invader  would be welcome too ?

 

 

Merry christmas

[MAJ_stug41]

2 hours ago, Pict said:

 I like the idea of hedge hopping in a clipped wing, bubble top MK.IX, well XVI with the Packard motor

 We'll have to hope for hedges first ?

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I'm enjoying that we have an old fashioned plane wishlist thread going for Christmas.

 

I'd say an I-153 or Ta-152H (whichever is released first). There are a lot of neat unreleased variants out there (e.g. Pe-3, P-39Q), but my mind right now flows towards a Fw-189 (if I were to pick).

 

For WWI there are a lot of options I've looked at... there is definitely room for a Flying Circus IV, although I suspect the team will remain focussed on higher priority projects. That said, we desperately need a slower two-seater for each side (i.e. Caudron G.IV, B.E.2c, Morane-Saulnier L, and an Albatros C.I or LVG C.II) to act as targets for the 1916 fighters. There are also some interesting single-seat fighters left (e.g. Roland D.VIb, Fokker D.II, Roland D.II, Airco D.H.5), two seat fighters (Hannover Cl.IIa, Nieuport N.12), and several variants or field mods (e.g. a fixed forward firing gun for the F.E.2b/d) etc.

 

I do hope they can spare the resources to add one or two new Collector Planes to Flying Circus per year... it'd give a sense that the product line isn't abandoned and help generate continued interest in it.

I’d like to see a Ju-52 floatplane.

WWI two seaters and floatplanes.

 

 

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

I’d like to see a Ju-52 floatplane.

WWI two seaters and floatplanes.

 

 

 

I'd love any float plane  WWI has many of the best, but an Arado Ar-196 would be quite fun... could do anti-submarine patrols, artillery spotting, liaison... I did some digging a while back and apparently they trained for artillery spotting for ships but didn't get much chance to, units don't seem to have been used in the eastern Black Sea/Kuban much (although they were stationed at Constanza, and the Bv-138s were stationed at Odessa for several months). I'm not sure about the Romanian and Hungarian aircraft (they seem also to have been kept in the East). But they were being used on the Rhineland map for anti-submarine patrols... so they fit.

 

P.S. Interestingly, land based Avengers were used during Normandy, although mainly at night (screening against German S-boat attacks, and harassing shipping up the coast - would fly in pairs). There are still quite a few interesting things that were happening on the existing maps we have.

 

  

4 hours ago, LukeFF said:

An Fw 189 is one I'd like to see too. It was the bane of the VVS in the first few years of the war, and they typically awarded pilots with prominent medals any time one was shot down. There was one pilot in 1943 who was awarded the Order of the Red Banner (so, just below Hero of the Soviet Union status) after downing two in a short span of time.

 

A really interesting observation! Thanks for sharing.

 

I think one thing people under-estimate is just how important reconnaissance and observation is. A lucky hit from a bomber can destroy a tank or reduce the functioning of an airfield for a few days... but a lucky photograph from a recon airplane can change the course of an entire battle.

 

Taking reconnaissance photographs also wasn't easy, often requiring just as much bravery and skill than combat missions (even relatively high risk combat missions). I think that we'll only really appreciate the gameplay potential fully once someone produces a very in-depth simulation of it in a sim (e.g. taking into account the quality/clarity and content of the photographs etc.) As for now, I'm really happy at the efforts to model both higher altitude and oblique photography in the sim, and having a Fw-189 would be great (Fi-156 too).

[Pict]

2 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Except for the bubble top (AFAIK intro No 66 squadron 17/03/45) and the Packard built 266 (identical performance to Merlin 66) you already have that Spitfire Mk XVI in form of the Mk IX(e) with clipped wings ?

 

2 hours ago, MAJ_stug41 said:

 We'll have to hope for hedges first ?

 

You guys may well have burst my bubble here  

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I'm enjoying that we have an old fashioned plane wishlist thread going for Christmas.

 

I'd say an I-153 or Ta-152H (whichever is released first). There are a lot of neat unreleased variants out there (e.g. Pe-3, P-39Q), but my mind right now flows towards a Fw-189 (if I were to pick).

 

For WWI there are a lot of options I've looked at... there is definitely room for a Flying Circus IV, although I suspect the team will remain focussed on higher priority projects. That said, we desperately need a slower two-seater for each side (i.e. Caudron G.IV, B.E.2c, Morane-Saulnier L, and an Albatros C.I or LVG C.II) to act as targets for the 1916 fighters. There are also some interesting single-seat fighters left (e.g. Roland D.VIb, Fokker D.II, Roland D.II, Airco D.H.5), two seat fighters (Hannover Cl.IIa, Nieuport N.12), and several variants or field mods (e.g. a fixed forward firing gun for the F.E.2b/d) etc.

 

I do hope they can spare the resources to add one or two new Collector Planes to Flying Circus per year... it'd give a sense that the product line isn't abandoned and help generate continued interest in it.

Alb d3 would be great as well

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

On 12/21/2023 at 12:07 PM, MAJ_stug41 said:

B25 or B26 ?

Please!!! @LukeFF

[vadupleix7]

1 час назад, Avimimus сказал:

 

I'd love any float plane  WWI has many of the best, but an Arado Ar-196 would be quite fun... could do anti-submarine patrols, artillery spotting, liaison... I did some digging a while back and apparently they trained for artillery spotting for ships but didn't get much chance to, units don't seem to have been used in the eastern Black Sea/Kuban much (although they were stationed at Constanza, and the Bv-138s were stationed at Odessa for several months). I'm not sure about the Romanian and Hungarian aircraft (they seem also to have been kept in the East). But they were being used on the Rhineland map for anti-submarine patrols... so they fit.

 

P.S. Interestingly, land based Avengers were used during Normandy, although mainly at night (screening against German S-boat attacks, and harassing shipping up the coast - would fly in pairs). There are still quite a few interesting things that were happening on the existing maps we have.

 

  

 

A really interesting observation! Thanks for sharing.

 

I think one thing people under-estimate is just how important reconnaissance and observation is. A lucky hit from a bomber can destroy a tank or reduce the functioning of an airfield for a few days... but a lucky photograph from a recon airplane can change the course of an entire battle.

 

Taking reconnaissance photographs also wasn't easy, often requiring just as much bravery and skill than combat missions (even relatively high risk combat missions). I think that we'll only really appreciate the gameplay potential fully once someone produces a very in-depth simulation of it in a sim (e.g. taking into account the quality/clarity and content of the photographs etc.) As for now, I'm really happy at the efforts to model both higher altitude and oblique photography in the sim, and having a Fw-189 would be great (Fi-156 too).

I’d also like to see a Ju86P, it’d be really interesting experiencing the extreme altitude interception in game.

[Enceladus828]

14 minutes ago, =DW=_drewm3i-VR said:

Please!!! @LukeFF

Agree, we can sacrifice one lesser important plane in a Battle or an additional Collector variant for a flyable B-25 or B-26.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Enceladus828

[Avimimus]

5 minutes ago, vadupleix7 said:

I’d also like to see a Ju86P, it’d be really interesting experiencing the extreme altitude interception in game.

 

I was never that interested in high altitude combat (I'd rather do low-altitude armed recon in a Mustang Mk.I etc.) But this changed after they developed the new clouds. It'd be great if the AI was a bit more human in its spotting limitations in clouds, but I really appreciate how they add beautiful 'landscapes' to higher altitudes.

 

P.S. For WWI, there is the Rumpler C.IV (which I didn't mention). Note: The Rumpler C.IV has almost the same performance as the Rumpler C.VII, but was more multi-role and was available earlier... so it is probably the best bet. Of course the altitudes achieved were nothing like the Junkers 86P you mentioned... and if we were going with a Junkers, I'd kind-of like the Ju-188 (beautiful cockpit arrangement, and better defensive armament).

[FurphyForum]

With the current WWII Maps for Axis;

Fw 189,

Hs 123,

Hs 126,

Fiat G.50, and

Macchi C.200.

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, Avimimus said:

P.S. Interestingly, land based Avengers were used during Normandy, although mainly at night (screening against German S-boat attacks, and harassing shipping up the coast - would fly in pairs). There are still quite a few interesting things that were happening on the existing maps we have.

 

And an Avenger tailgunner shot down a V-1! Obviously, all the effort put into high-octane fuel was wasted. All you needed to do was have waves of Avengers darkening the skies like pickets, waiting for an unlucky buzz bomb to cross its path. ? 

 

3 hours ago, =DW=_drewm3i-VR said:

Please!!! @LukeFF

 

I wish it were up to me, but it's not. ?

[Avimimus]

 

17 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Agree, we can sacrifice one lesser important plane in a Battle or an additional Collector variant for a flyable B-25 or B-26.

 

I think it'd actually mean sacrificing several other aircraft to make the B-25 or B-26 flyable. Probably at least a couple of collector aircraft and/or four aircraft variants would have to be sacrificed for it... due to the complexity of the cockpit systems.

 

I'd rather have a more complete plane set or a greater diversity of roles/experiences (and 'less important planes' tend to be the ones that provide truly unique experiences)...

 

Of course, feel free to disagree with me on that! Anyway, I don't think we have to make it a competition and decide that wishing for one thing means we can't wish for others.

  

13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

And an Avenger tailgunner shot down a V-1! Obviously, all the effort put into high-octane fuel was wasted. All you needed to do was have waves of Avengers darkening the skies like pickets, waiting for an unlucky buzz bomb to cross its path. ? 

 

 

Amazing! It is too bad these aircraft had a very basic anti-shipping radar (I think all of the British Avengers used in Normandy did?) Otherwise, it'd be a very neat Collector Plane.

[E69_Falke_Wolf]

On these special dates it seems like everyone wants to make their own little wish list, so here goes mine, so... Dear Santa:

Of course I would like to see some good advanced Soviet fighters,which have long been in demand, like

- La-7

- Yak-3

 

But of course also other earlier models that had a lot of prominence in the initial phases of the war, and that could be used for almost the entire period on any map, such as:

- I-153 (I´ll buy the preorder as soon as will be available).

- Tupolev SB-2

- Ilyushin DB-3

 

But what I would really pay for without any doubt are the planes from the Winter War and the later Continuation War (in addition to the Soviets that I have already mentioned):

- Brewster 239 (this plane is with any doubt a "Shut up and take my money" case ?)
- M.S.406/410 & Morko.

- Fiat G.50

- Curtiss Hawk 75A

- Bristol Blenheim IV

 

All of them can be used in different scenarios from the beginning of the war and I am sure that they are much more attractive options than a new 109 or Spitfire.

In any case, Many MANY thanks to the developers for continuing to keep the WWII simulation alive.
Best wishes for next year.

Edited December 27, 2023 by E69_Falke_Wolf

[Blitzen]

This might be a good choice? It was a stellar performer in real life and in Il-2 1946!

[LukeFF]

27 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

This might be a good choice? It was a stellar performer in real life and in Il-2 1946!

 

It doesn't really have any place without British strategic night bombers.

[BlitzPig_EL]

True Luke, it would just be fodder for single engine fighters in the sim as it is currently.

[Blitzen]

9 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

It doesn't really have any place without British strategic night bombers.

Hmmm...too right...we'll need those as well...then...

[Enceladus828]

The next collectors I want which are variants of planes already in the game are the A-20G and Bf-110F. The price of the glider should be dropped to $10 as there's not much you can really do with it and can do a lot more/have a lot more fun with the La-5F and Bf-109G-6AS.

 

9 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I think it'd actually mean sacrificing several other aircraft to make the B-25 or B-26 flyable. Probably at least a couple of collector aircraft and/or four aircraft variants would have to be sacrificed for it... due to the complexity of the cockpit systems.

Upon release of either of the two we'd have the Pilot and co-pilot station, Top Gunner and Rear Gunner stations modelled with the Nose Gunner and ventral or waist gunners stations modelled later or left as AI. I don't think that many collector planes would have to be sacrificed for one of the two to be made flyable -- probably if making the plane from scratch and also flyable in one go. One of the greatest things about 1CGS is their willingness to tackle big challenges and at the end it succeeds.

Making the B-25 or B-26 flyable may seem like a huge challenge but at the end most people would prefer it over the WACO glider, Bf-109G-6AS and or La-5F.

[King_Franky]

I want the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star. ?

[MAJ_stug41]

A20G and 110F would be fully welcome to fill in some glaring gaps in the current system.

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

Hmmm...too right...we'll need those as well...then...

 

 

I was so young and idealistic when I posted that! Still, it was nice to see how many Americans would have been willing to buy a Lancaster...

 

Note: I should probably edit the original post, as I might have misunderstood the reasons for not modelling four engined aircraft... (no Idea why the forum is showing an Avro Manchester as the thumbnail either).

 

  

15 hours ago, LukeFF said:

I wish it were up to me, but it's not. ?

 

This is where we differ! I know I shouldn't be in charge of picking the next aircraft! ? I lack the data (and possibly the judgment). Although, I suspect that at least 40% of my ideas are feasible.

 

That said, if you were picking aircraft, that might work out a bit better... and who knows, we might even get a He-162 again!  At least if we can convince you that slightly alternative history scenarios (e.g. BMW engine development going as smoothly as Jumo, or aircraft being deployed to different airfields) is acceptable

[BlitzPig_EL]

No "paper napkin" German wonderwaffe please.  There are simply too many early types, from all countries that are needed before going off the "what if" deep end.

[Blitzen]

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

The next collectors I want which are variants of planes already in the game are the A-20G and Bf-110F. The price of the glider should be dropped to $10 as there's not much you can really do with it and can do a lot more/have a lot more fun with the La-5F and Bf-109G-6AS.

 

Upon release of either of the two we'd have the Pilot and co-pilot station, Top Gunner and Rear Gunner stations modelled with the Nose Gunner and ventral or waist gunners stations modelled later or left as AI. I don't think that many collector planes would have to be sacrificed for one of the two to be made flyable -- probably if making the plane from scratch and also flyable in one go. One of the greatest things about 1CGS is their willingness to tackle big challenges and at the end it succeeds.

Making the B-25 or B-26 flyable may seem like a huge challenge but at the end most people would prefer it over the WACO glider, Bf-109G-6AS and or La-5F.

I do like thjs idea!

[ITAF_Rani]

Devs bring us heavies!!

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

That said, if you were picking aircraft, that might work out a bit better... and who knows, we might even get a He-162 again!  At least if we can convince you that slightly alternative history scenarios (e.g. BMW engine development going as smoothly as Jumo, or aircraft being deployed to different airfields) is acceptable

 

LoL yeah, about the closest I ever came to that is that Jason used to message me and ask what I thought were the best planes for a given map. So, for those who don't like the Bodenplatte plane lineup, for instance, you can partially blame me. ? 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

1 hour ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Devs bring us heavies!!

Yeah, and while they're at it, let them make the mediums flyable too.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Gambit21]

4 hours ago, King_Franky said:

I want the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star. ?

Packaged with the F-84 and F-86?

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

On 12/22/2023 at 9:01 AM, BlitzPig_EL said:

I've purchased everything to date.  Going forward I will be more, discerning, in my expenditures.   The Waco glider was a complete waste of my money.

 

It's use case in the sim is so narrow that it should have been AI only.  How this was chosen as a flyable over the B25, B26, or A20G is mind boggling.

 I haven’t bought it yet, but I plan to.  What’s wrong with it?  I expect to be able to glide for a short ways and then make a very challenging landing with no power.  Is that not what happens?

[BlitzPig_EL]

It does all those things. And I think it probably glides better than the real one did.  I just find it boring.  It's a single use throw away aircraft, for a very limited use scenario.

I know there are some who like it, and that is fine, but for me, I can't see using more than the one flight I've tried it in.