Karelia map discussion

[LLv44_Kanttori]

15 hours ago, jollyjack said:

FAF & winter. Are there any pictures of a winter disguise for their planes?

Yes we have, but at first we need to find modelers to our early war planes. I will soon publish a "recruitment notice" where we are looking for international qualified 3D modelers for FAF aircrafts. Right now I have enough map work that I'm waiting for a calmer moment for it. We already received a contact from Italians who are interested in modeling the Fiat G.50 on the map of Karelia.

At the point when we start getting FAF planes out of our "aircraft factory" we need the best skinners to work for that as well. We already have our Finnish friend Hanu who has made amazing skins for the existing Karelian front planes.

[jollyjack]

On 10/9/2024 at 11:48 AM, LLv44_Kanttori said:

Yes we have, but at first we need to find modelers to our early war planes. I will soon publish a "recruitment notice" where we are looking for international qualified 3D modelers for FAF aircrafts. Right now I have enough map work that I'm waiting for a calmer moment for it. We already received a contact from Italians who are interested in modeling the Fiat G.50 on the map of Karelia.

At the point when we start getting FAF planes out of our "aircraft factory" we need the best skinners to work for that as well. We already have our Finnish friend Hanu who has made amazing skins for the existing Karelian front planes.

 

Just did a test .... PS not finished yet, as i am looking for historic pictures, so far in vain.

 

Edited October 10, 2024 by jollyjack

[LLv44_Kanttori]

On 10/8/2024 at 4:00 PM, ITAF_Rani said:

The 3dmodeller person interested to G50 already use Discord ( like me)

Thanks to you ITAF-Rani, we now have the first Italian fully professional aircraft 3D modeler starting to model the legendary Fiat G.50 fighter! 

[ITAF_Rani]

58 minutes ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

Thanks to you ITAF-Rani, we now have the first Italian fully professional aircraft 3D modeler starting to model the legendary Fiat G.50 fighter! 

Hey we go !!

[actionhank1786]

On 10/9/2024 at 9:34 AM, jollyjack said:

 

Just did a test .... PS not finished yet, as i am looking for historic pictures, so far in vain.

 

The Hurricane is a special beast to skin, especially doing some faded winter camo on them. I was working on one before that I sadly lost when I got my new computer and forgot to grab that file. But those parts you have to match up for the different variants was fun. I think I've figured out a better way to do it than I had before, but it was tough lining up the panels on the cannon or VVS variants.

8 hours ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

Thanks to you ITAF-Rani, we now have the first Italian fully professional aircraft 3D modeler starting to model the legendary Fiat G.50 fighter! 

Oh man, I loved that thing in Il-2 Forgotten Battles. I was terrible with it (and ever Italian plane...well, every plane)but it was so fun to fly, and I loved the open cockpit and just the overall look of the thing. I remember getting lined up on LaGG's and P-39's and just struggling to hit them with those two machine guns and even when I did, it was like pulling teeth to get any real damage inflicted. 

[LLv44_Kanttori]

WE ARE LOOKING FOR 3D MODELERS FOR THE FAF WARBIRDS BELOW!

Our Finnish KarttaKomppania now also has an "Airplane Factory" whose primary purpose is to produce Finnish fighters and bombers for the map of Karelia. I agreed with Daniel "Han" Tuseev last September that we can make as many aircrafts of the Finnish Air Force as we see necessary when we recruit professional 3D modelers for them.
 

The first picture shows the fighters and bombers that will be made very first: Brewster 239 (project started in October 2022), Fiat G.50 (project started in October 2024), Curtiss Hawk 75A and Fokker D.XXI, and of course the Bristol Blenheim Mk. IV bomber and reconnaissance plane.
 

The world's only Brewster has already been accurately photographed for photogrammetric modeling and the Finnish Air Force Museum's original factory drawings has been obtained for it. The Fiat original factory drawings (samples below) have also been delivered to our new Italian professional modeler, Luce. Fokker D.XXI and Blenheim Mk. IV are waiting at the FAF Museum.  The Curtiss Hawk 75 A-1 is a airworthy museum plane in the Fighter Collection, Duxford Airfield - England. The original factory drawings needed to model them can be obtained from our FAF Museum as soon as the creators have been found.

KarttaKompania also has a spec General requirements for single-seat aircraft list provided by 1CGS, which is delivered to our modelers. The original factory drawings of the Finnish warbirds and all the data needed for the flight models can be obtained from the Finnish Air Force Museum. We forward the airplane drawings to their modelers and also deliver the original factory data needed for the flight models and, above all, the Finnish test flight data to 1C Game Studios. 1CGS professionals make flight models for each FAF plane, from which a valid 3D model with cockpits has been obtained. Please note that here we use specifically and only genuine data delivered from the FAF Museum.

If you are interested in this modeling job, please contact me privately here in IL-2 Forum on Discord where I am called like here LLv44_Kanttori. At the same time, you have to deliver pictures of completed airplanes or other complex devices that have already been modeled - without work samples, it is pointless to offer to work.

The first picture above shows the current production situation of the "FAF Aircraft Factory" and these pictures show samples of Fiat's drawings.

Before the rugged exterior of the Fiat makes you smile please notice that the Fiat relatively achieved the most victories in the real air combat situations of the Finnish Continuation War. Each Fiat shot down by an enemy pilot cost the other side 44 Fiats shot down - so the ratio was 44:1.  For Brewster, the number was 32:1 and for Bf 109 G "Mersu", 25:1. 



The rest of the pictures below are from the wonderful 3D models of our new 3D-modeling expert LUCE, who started last week, for the DSC sim. Since Luce is Italian, of course he makes their beloved and beautifully ugly Fiat! 😍

 

[YoYo]

Wow, interesting announcement, I'll put it on my FB :). It's a good sign for the future of this project! 💪

Btw. I know Luce - "quality brick"  ! Very good news!

Btw2. About Blenheim IV maybe @Buzzsaw can bring his model to IL-2 Karelia/Leningrad title?

Edited October 12, 2024 by YoYo

[LuftManu]

That is some good news! 

If there is need for some more funding, please send a link and I (and more people for sure) will be able to help

 

[David_4555]

Am so happy about this module reaching the scale it has

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

Wow, this is so cool! , I'm very happy for this news!

[JG4_Moltke1871]

 

On 10/12/2024 at 7:54 AM, LLv44_Kanttori said:

WE ARE LOOKING FOR 3D MODELERS FOR THE FAF WARBIRDS BELOW!

Our Finnish KarttaKomppania now also has an "Airplane Factory" whose primary purpose is to produce Finnish fighters and bombers for the map of Karelia. I agreed with Daniel "Han" Tuseev last September that we can make as many aircrafts of the Finnish Air Force as we see necessary when we recruit professional 3D modelers for them.
 

The first picture shows the fighters and bombers that will be made very first: Brewster 239 (project started in October 2022), Fiat G.50 (project started in October 2024), Curtiss Hawk 75A and Fokker D.XXI, and of course the Blenheim Mk. IV bomber and reconnaissance plane.
 

The world's only Brewster has already been accurately photographed for photogrammetric modeling and the Finnish Air Force Museum's original drawings has been obtained for it. The Fiat drawings have also been delivered to our new Italian professional modeler, Luce. Fokker D.XXI and Blenheim Mk. IV are waiting at the FAF Museum.  The world's only Curtiss Hawk 75 A is a flying museum plane in France - if I remember correctly...? Correct me if I'm not!  The original factory drawings needed to model them can be obtained from our FAF Museum as soon as the creators have been found.

KarttaKompania also has a spec General requirements for single-seat aircraft list provided by 1CGS, which is delivered to our modelers. The original factory drawings of the Finnish warbirds and all the data needed for the flight models can be obtained from the Finnish Air Force Museum. We forward the airplane drawings to their modelers and also deliver the original factory data needed for the flight models and, above all, the Finnish test flight data to 1C Gaming Studios. 1CGS professionals make flight models for each FAF plane, from which a valid 3D model with cockpits has been obtained. Please note that here we use specifically and only genuine data delivered from the FAF Museum.

If you are interested in this modeling job, please contact me privately here in IL-2 Forum on Discord where I am called like here LLv44_Kanttori. At the same time, you have to deliver pictures of completed airplanes or other complex devices that have already been modeled - without work samples, it is pointless to offer to work.




 

The first picture above shows the current production situation of the "FAF Aircraft Factory" and these pictures show samples of Fiat's drawings.

Before the rugged exterior of the Fiat makes you smile please notice that the Fiat relatively achieved the most victories in the real air combat situations of the Finnish Continuation War. Each Fiat shot down by an enemy pilot cost the other side 44 Fiats shot down - so the ratio was 44:1.  For Brewster, the number was 32:1 and for Bf 109 G "Mersu", 25:1. 



The rest of the pictures below are from the wonderful 3D models of our new 3D-modeling expert LUCE, who started last week, for the DSC sim. Since Luce is Italian, of course he makes their beloved and beautifully ugly Fiat! 😍

 

 

Really good news and my respect for this project!! And thanks to the 3D modellers for taking on the task to build these aircraft’s 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

 

Finger crossed that you find an/some modeller/s to make the Blenheim🙏🏻🙏🏻

 

The sim really needs more twin engines and the Blenheim is a nice one 😊

 

 

 

 

BTW I joined your Patreon for support 😉

[ACG_Bussard]

Very very cool. If I could, my next wish would be the Curtis Hawk 75. A great radial engine plane.

[LLv44_Kanttori]

10 hours ago, ACG_Bussard said:

Very very cool. If I could, my next wish would be the Curtis Hawk 75. A great radial engine plane.

Curtiss is my favourite too, I loved it with the old IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 map of Finland - I actually liked "Sussu" (her Finnish nickname) more than Brewster. Our Air Squadron 32 veteran pilots reported that the Curtiss Hawk 75 A equipped with a Cyclone engine was a Brewster-like aircraft in terms of flight characteristics. Reserve officer and Curtiss ace Kyösti "Kössi" Karhila also told me the same thing when I interviewed him on the phone about 20 years ago. Karhila achieved 13 1/4 aerial victories while flying a Curtiss fighter.



Here is a picture of "Kössi" after his first aerial victories. In March 1943, he transferred to Flight Squadron 34 and received a new Bf 109 G-2 fighter.  In the summer of 1944, he was promoted to the Leader of the third Flight of the Fighter Squadron 24. Karhila flew 304 sorties and shot down 32 1/4 enemy planes, and thus he was at the top of the reserve pilot's drop statistics.

Would there be a skilled 3D modeler among us who would like to make this beauty for us?

 

[LLv44_Kanttori]

On 10/12/2024 at 2:15 PM, LuftManu said:

That is some good news! 

If there is need for some more funding, please send a link and I (and more people for sure) will be able to help

 

Now you can make a direct donation to KarttaKomppania's PayPal account, which will help the further development of the Karelia map and contribute to the maintenance costs of the server of this Flight Regiment 3 website. Please click the Donate button in our Flight Regiment 3 home pages. You can access our website from:
> LeR3 <

[R7-S276]

Don’t forget the MS406…

Edited October 16, 2024 by R7-S276
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[LuftManu]

12 hours ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

Now you can make a direct donation to KarttaKomppania's PayPal account, which will help the further development of the Karelia map and contribute to the maintenance costs of the server of this Flight Regiment 3 website. Please click the Donate button in our Flight Regiment 3 home pages. You can access our website from:
> LeR3 <

Just did it!

Hope this helps 

Kind regards,

[ACG_Bussard]

I've already supplied a few sound sources from the Curtiss Hawk 75, which I saw and heard live a year ago. I was really pleasantly surprised at how agile it flew and how growling it sounded.

 

 

 

[Avimimus]

Quick question - were any of the Finnish Hawk 75's ever equipped with bomb racks? I rather enjoyed the 10x9.1kg bomb racks in Il-2 1946!

[Avimimus]

Low on the priority list, there are a lot of WWII aircraft that could expand Karelia a lot (e.g. Fi-156 SB-2), however, I can't help but mention that a Thulin D might be of historical significance to Finland (...and if a Morane-Saulnier L was modelled in the process, it could be quite useful for Flying Circus):

 

[Hanu]

11 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Quick question - were any of the Finnish Hawk 75's ever equipped with bomb racks? I rather enjoyed the 10x9.1kg bomb racks in Il-2 1946!

 

I have not seen or read any occasion they would have been armed with bombs. Those racks however can be seen in images. So I'd say that it is possible that they might have been loaded in some cases, but I cannot confirm it. LLv28's Morane-Saulniers were sometimes armed with small bombs during supposedly quiet patrols. -At least Antti Tani (7 air victory ace in Morane, 21,5 overall) did so, but it was personal preference to do so. So in that light it is somewhat possible.

[LLv44_Damixu]

On 10/21/2024 at 3:09 AM, Avimimus said:

Quick question - were any of the Finnish Hawk 75's ever equipped with bomb racks? I rather enjoyed the 10x9.1kg bomb racks in Il-2 1946!

I've read historic accounts of Finnish Curtis pilots exploits, but never saw any mention about bombs nor bombing runs.

[LW_Pilot777]

Waiting for this beauty in FAF markings 😄

 

 

[kraut1]

13 hours ago, LW_Pilot777 said:

Waiting for this beauty in FAF markings 😄

 

 

I like the MS-406.

My father designed and flew a RC Model of the MS-406 in the 1990s with a wing span of about 2.7m.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

The DLC which includes both maps and 8 new  planes is scheduled for 25/26. I'm worried what happened when you guys won't find artists in time to model third party planes or estimated time to make them all be finished would go  beyond 2026, whole DLC would be postponed / half released (Odessa) or just released without those planes? Is there a plan for that better not seen future?

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

The DLC which includes both maps and 8 new  planes is scheduled for 25/26. I'm worried what happened when you guys won't find artists in time to model third party planes or estimated time to make them all be finished would go  beyond 2026, whole DLC would be postponed / half released (Odessa) or just released without those planes? Is there a plan for that better not seen future?

 

I'd personally see that as ideal - release Odessa in 2025 and Karelia in 2026 (with more aircraft - fill in a few gaps in the German and Soviet planeset as well as the Finnish)...

[LLv44_Kanttori]

On 10/30/2024 at 12:56 PM, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

The DLC which includes both maps and 8 new  planes is scheduled for 25/26. I'm worried what happened when you guys won't find artists in time to model third party planes or estimated time to make them all be finished would go  beyond 2026, whole DLC would be postponed / half released (Odessa) or just released without those planes? Is there a plan for that better not seen future?

 

On 10/30/2024 at 2:04 PM, Avimimus said:

 

I'd personally see that as ideal - release Odessa in 2025 and Karelia in 2026 (with more aircraft - fill in a few gaps in the German and Soviet planeset as well as the Finnish)...

Where the hell did the year 2026 come from when the map of Karelia was published?  

At least I know that we have agreed on it for next summer 2025 and the work of our KarttaKompania will start to be completed by the end of this year 2024.
 

After that, we help the map team of the 1CGS game house with Estonia and Leningrad Oblast, because we have already done a lot of background work years ago, for example by mapping almost all the airfields that were in operation in the Leningrad Oblast from 1939-1944.
 

I have personally promised to also do the nature texturing related to the landscape during next winter and spring, and our 3D modelers already have several buildings in Leningrad ready made. More is coming from Russian 3D-modelers, actually many of Leningrad famous landmark builgings are already ready done and I have seen them. For example, here are some landmark and generic buildings from our KarttaKomppania's 3D-modelers that have been completed almost three years ago.

 

 

 

The two Finnish Air Force fighters that will be coming with the map of Karelia are already being made, and we will soon have one of them presented on our Patreon webpages. Everything will be ready in time, gentlemen, and there is more to come!
 

 

[Vendigo]

4 hours ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

For example, here are some landmark and generic buildings from our KarttaKomppania's 3D-modelers that have been completed almost three years ago.
 

 

Great looking models, btw is it light in some of the windows, or is it the reflection of the sun?   

Edited November 8, 2024 by Vendigo

[LLv44_Kanttori]

6 hours ago, Vendigo said:

 

Great looking models, btw is it light in some of the windows, or is it the reflection of the sun?   

Pictures are from Blender application, it's the 3D-software and the special reflection effect is from it. The last Art Academy's screenshot is from the Mission Editor where we have tested Leningrad buildings and the Neva river's delta "rocky isles" modelling in 2022. Of course, we will share our work and Leningrad's preliminary plan to do it with the 1CGS map team.

This wonderful Metropolis is made to look very authentic and above all impressive when the city is made in the estuary area on top of rocky islands (Ground objects) which are textured as asphalt and cobblestones. In parks, the "normal" ground surface and vegetation remain visible through the "openings" of the stone cover, but for example trees are visible through ground objects when the ground surface is close enough to the stone cover.

We have old test images of the Leningrad stone islands, but I won't share them without the permission from the inventor of the idea, our 3D modeling manager at KarttaKomppania. He can share their old test photos if the gaming community here is interested in them...?  

 

[kraut1]

Hi finnish pilots,

here my proposal for a censored insignia, to avoid the huge white empty area in the center.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/89821-alternative-draft-for-censored-hakenkreuz-swastika-for-custom-skins/?do=findComment&comment=1333561

[easterling77]

11 hours ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

 

Where the hell did the year 2026 come from when the map of Karelia was published?  

At least I know that we have agreed on it for next summer 2025 and the work of our KarttaKompania will start to be completed by the end of this year 2024.
 

After that, we help the map team of the 1CGS game house with Estonia and Leningrad Oblast, because we have already done a lot of background work years ago, for example by mapping almost all the airfields that were in operation in the Leningrad Oblast from 1939-1944.
 

I have personally promised to also do the nature texturing related to the landscape during next winter and spring, and our 3D modelers already have several buildings in Leningrad ready made. More is coming from Russian 3D-modelers, actually many of Leningrad famous landmark builgings are already ready done and I have seen them. For example, here are some landmark and generic buildings from our KarttaKomppania's 3D-modelers that have been completed almost three years ago.

 

 

 

The two Finnish Air Force fighters that will be coming with the map of Karelia are already being made, and we will soon have one of them presented on our Patreon webpages. Everything will be ready in time, gentlemen, and there is more to come!
 

 

This just looks great!!!

 

I'm so happy, that the Finish/Baltic area of operations will be coming to this sim - thanks to your outstanding work.

 

With the biggest thank you and wishes for your succes.

 

DP

[LLv44_Kanttori]

1 hour ago, kraut1 said:

Hi finnish pilots,

here my proposal for a censored insignia, to avoid the huge white empty area in the center.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/89821-alternative-draft-for-censored-hakenkreuz-swastika-for-custom-skins/?do=findComment&comment=1333561

Really good idea, I just showed it to KarttaKomppania's skinners, because we have a deal with ICGS to make special custom skins to all FAF aircrafts. I must also show this to Daniel aka Han. 

EDIT: I just sent this image to "Moscow HQ" for review and hopefully approval.

[migmadmarine]

Since career mode is planned for the map, any idea if there are plans to support the Finnish use of captured aircraft?

[LLv44_Kanttori]

On 11/9/2024 at 9:43 AM, migmadmarine said:

Since career mode is planned for the map, any idea if there are plans to support the Finnish use of captured aircraft?

You probably mean our war booty Pe-2 bombers and reconnaissance planes. Nothing prevents us from making career missions or at least Campaigns for them as well. At the moment, the only FAF bomber in the game is the Ju88 A-4 and I plan to design the career missions for it myself. Both the FAF Ju88 bombers and Pe-2 reconnaissance planes operated from the same Onttola airfield in my current hometown, Joensuu, and I have read a lot about their operations. So why not: First, go scout with the "Pekka-Eemeli" (Pe-2) and then bomb the target with your "Junnu" (Ju88)!    

 

Spoiler

 

Edited November 11, 2024 by LukeFF
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[migmadmarine]

Yea, I'd love to see it. Could also have the I-153 available for the Finns. How many Finnish LaGG-3s were there? 3 or so? And while the Hurricane we have in game is a Mk.II, I would happily see it stand in for the Finnish Mk.Is. 

I think having appearances of these captured types of types used by both sides would be a really cool and unique feature of career mode on this front.

[GasTeddy]

6 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

Yea, I'd love to see it. Could also have the I-153 available for the Finns. How many Finnish LaGG-3s were there? 3 or so?

 

Yes, three. Finnish Air Force operated three captured examples, mainly as bomber interceptors. Warrant officer Eino Koskinen scored the sole kill achieved by a LaGG-3 in Finnish colors, when he downed a Soviet LaGG-3 on 16 February 1944 in the plane marked as LG-1.

 

Here's a story of one of them: LG-3.

Edited November 10, 2024 by GasTeddy
Link fixed

[XQ_Lothar29]

I love this project. I am looking forward to using this beautiful environment, and even more so to building on some of the planned aircraft.

[LW_Pilot777]

Quick question do You plan record radio communication in Finnish language ? that`ll be really great to hear all command in Suomen kieli

 

[ACG_Bussard]

 

Today I was surprised to find last year's recordings of a Fokker D.XXI and thought I'd post them here for you to enjoy:

 

 

Edited November 19, 2024 by ACG_Bussard
Added the Cockpit View

[LLv44_Kanttori]

On 11/15/2024 at 1:05 AM, LW_Pilot777 said:

Quick question do You plan record radio communication in Finnish language ? that`ll be really great to hear all command in Suomen kieli

 

The Finnish Air Force comes into the game as a new country, so we Finns plan the Career missions of the Finnish Air Force and also record the radio voices in Finnish, because where else would they be done but here?
 

 We will also create semi-historical campaigns on the map in the future. I'm planning to do a Junkers Ju 88 Campaign because I've read a lot about the operations of Flight Squadron 44 from the Onttola airport in my hometown Joensuu.

[Vendigo]

1 hour ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

 I'm planning to do a Junkers Ju 88 Campaign because I've read a lot about the operations of Flight Squadron 44 from the Onttola airport in my hometown Joensuu.

 

That's cool and will it involve bombing raids on Leningrad?