Development team stream (pre-stream discussion)

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Biggest problem with Korea is Zźzzzzzzz....

 

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[=_=HeavenAndClouds]

Only Korea would quench my thirst. 

[ITAF_Rani]

Korea....Will be East 44/45

[BlitzPig_EL]

Umm...  What 1948~1955 theatre?  There was no open warfare between the West and the Soviets, unless you talk about flying supplies into Berlin with transport aircraft.  Korea is it's own thing, what exactly are you talking about?

Edited December 28, 2023 by BlitzPig_EL

[Avimimus]

44 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Umm...  What 1948~1955 theatre?  There was no open warfare between the West and the Soviets, unless you talk about flying supplies into Berlin with transport aircraft.  Korea is it's own thing, what exactly are you talking about?

 

There were a lot of air units station in Europe, ready to go, and the Korean War could have easily (even accidentally) caused the Cold War to turn hot. It is a nightmare scenario, but there is enough data to replicate the first weeks of the air war over Germany fairly accurately. It is technically alternative history (and thankfully so), but it'd still be great to have the aircraft. They were stationed and ready to go, with plans detailing strike targets etc. It could be done quite well.

[BlitzPig_EL]

So, a "what if" scenario.  In the current political climate? 

 

Never gonna happen.                                                                                                                          

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

So, a "what if" scenario.  In the current political climate? 

 

Never gonna happen.                                                                                                                          

 

Admittedly, I think you might be right. The fact that one of the combatants (the Soviet Union) no longer exists, and the fact that it would have been seventy years ago may not  matter. But that would apply to Korea too, wouldn't it? So, if one is doing one, it still might make sense to do both (or at least provide a few Collector Aircraft).

 

If we had carriers, the Suez Crisis also makes some sense btw. A lot of the aircraft were second-line or export aircraft, so the avionics tend to be Korean era (rather than late 1950s) - something that would make it easier to model. Some interesting aircraft too!

 

But I think the overall direction of this logic is that WWI/WWII make a lot of sense currently.

You've convinced me to become opposed to Korea ? 

[Trooper117]

59 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

You've convinced me to become opposed to Korea

 

I'm sure many are, and when it turns up, quite a few will throw their teddies out of the pram and run away to join the Foreign Legion... the others will see sense and sigh ''oh well'' and continue life as normal... bless em!

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

 

You've convinced me to become opposed to Korea ? 

Might as well begin the acceptance process and decide to be happy about it.

 

 

 

Just Sabre vs MiG alone is worth IMHO.

 

 

[Avimimus]

Gee ...and I'm usually the one encouraging you guys to carry on and see the glass half full... ?

 

...this has been a weird thread!

[BlitzPig_EL]

Indeed sir, it has.

[deathmisser]

7 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

So, a "what if" scenario

So players ask for a what if scenario to counter a side that one side will clearly stomp for a few months but also asks to be ahistorical to balance out a few things. 

 

Yea like I've said it will most likely be Burma. 

Also looks like the video will be today as the dev will be out of the office tomorrow. 

[vadupleix7]

TBH I’ll likely buy any theater they produce as long as it’s compatible with existing GB series, and I really wish that’s the case.

[Gambit21]

14 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

 

Yea like I've said it will most likely be Burma. 

 

 

I wish.

 

 

[deathmisser]

9 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I wish.

 

 

Then join me and drop Korea lol

 

Btw what that war where the Spanish He 111 & Buchons taken part in? 

[Gambit21]

2 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Then join me and drop Korea lol

 

Btw what that war where the Spanish He 111 & Buchons taken part in? 

 

Well as I said, the Korea thing with me isn't related to my personal wishes.

 

I think the 109B's were Spanish Civil War. 

 

 

[deathmisser]

7 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

I think the 109B's were Spanish Civil War

Nah I meant post war in the 1950s

Ifni War I think it was

[deathmisser]

There still some great footage at least from there Ju 52 and He 111s 

 

[Trooper117]

10 hours ago, deathmisser said:

Yea like I've said it will most likely be Burma.

 

C'mon then, as it's ''most likely'', give us your insight to this statement.

Burma would be fine with me, but most likely?... I'd say the chances are marginal at best.

[deathmisser]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

C'mon then, as it's ''most likely'', give us your insight to this statement.

Burma would be fine with me, but most likely?... I'd say the chances are marginal at best.

I mean with a bit of research it falls in better than Korea does.

 

It it something new ? Hell yes 

 

New theatre of war.

A new enemy to contend with that hasn't made an appearance yet the IJAAS yes the air service so sadly we props won't get any Zeros.

New assets that can be used in other areas if they plan to go their one day. 

 

No jet's here as they said it will be props based though that can change in a few hours with the Q&A. 

 

And yea bringing in Japan now would bring some of the players back but not all.  

[Tony_Kito]

Real gamers know that new theatre will be Lvov ?

Complete the early 1941 and early 1944 Soviet arc

 

Gib Chaika NOW

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

C'mon then, as it's ''most likely'', give us your insight to this statement.

Burma would be fine with me, but most likely?... I'd say the chances are marginal at best.

Most likely..   no carriers,  prop based,  new theater.   And as mentioned, the opportunity to develop Japanese aircraft without needing carriers.    Burma and Manchuria both meet those requirements.   

 

We are all guessing.  You too.  

[deathmisser]

Just now, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

no carriers,  prop based

I need to find my list again so I can update it while I watch that Q&A

Fount it Idk if this is the updated one.

 

Module

 

A. It's something new 

 

B. Needs lot of recourses

 

C. Swimming pilots ? 

Aircraft 

 

A. Piston engine themed 

 

B. New aircraft systems 

 

C. New damage simulation

 

D. New ammunitions 

Map

 

A. It's not Italy 

 

B. Little to no cities

 

C. Not in the Pacific

 

D. Larger Map than ever before

 

E. Variation in landscape ?

 

F. Most volumed content in the game

 

G. Really exotic and beautiful

 

H. Started 10 months ago as of Sept

 

Misc

 

A. It was almost gonna be Malta if Jason had his way.

 

B. They picked five theatres of war before deciding the final one.

 

C. No carries 

 

[DD_Arthur]

12 hours ago, deathmisser said:

Nah I meant post war in the 1950s

Ifni War I think it was

 

Airborne Spanish Legionnaires; more Ewok than Jedi.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

23 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

I need to find my list again so I can update it while I watch that Q&A

Fount it Idk if this is the updated one.

 

Module

 

A. It's something new 

 

B. Needs lot of recourses

 

C. Swimming pilots ? 

Aircraft 

 

A. Piston engine themed 

 

B. New aircraft systems 

 

C. New damage simulation

 

D. New ammunitions 

Map

 

A. It's not Italy 

 

B. Little to no cities

 

C. Not in the Pacific

 

D. Larger Map than ever before

 

E. Variation in landscape ?

 

F. Most volumed content in the game

 

G. Really exotic and beautiful

 

H. Started 10 months ago as of Sept

 

Misc

 

A. It was almost gonna be Malta if Jason had his way.

 

B. They picked five theatres of war before deciding the final one.

 

C. No carries 

 

Exactly.   Good job keeping track of what the Devs have previously stated. Plus, it's still WW2.

 

I've also considered Manchuria as it checks all those boxes, and most of the Russian planes involved have already been produced (just tweak them for additional variants).

Edited December 29, 2023 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[MajorMagee]

25 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

I need to find my list again so I can update it while I watch that Q&A

Fount it Idk if this is the updated one.

 

Module

 

A. It's something new 

 

B. Needs lot of recourses

 

C. Swimming pilots ? 

Aircraft 

 

A. Piston engine themed 

 

B. New aircraft systems 

 

C. New damage simulation

 

D. New ammunitions 

Map

 

A. It's not Italy 

 

B. Little to no cities

 

C. Not in the Pacific

 

D. Larger Map than ever before

 

E. Variation in landscape ?

 

F. Most volumed content in the game

 

G. Really exotic and beautiful

 

H. Started 10 months ago as of Sept

 

Misc

 

A. It was almost gonna be Malta if Jason had his way.

 

B. They picked five theatres of war before deciding the final one.

 

C. No carries 

 

The Balkans and Eastern Med in 40/41 would fit all that.

[deathmisser]

3 minutes ago, MajorMagee said:

The Balkans and Eastern Med in 40/41 would fit all that.

Yugoslavia could be interesting as it is in the time frame of GB at the same time getting unique bombers and fighters. 

But also adding skins to the existing lot.  

 

 

What about the Greek invasion ? Particularly over the chain of islands, ether two could bring in Italian aircraft.

But at the same time bringing in something unique.  

[JFM]

I'd ignore Burma and Manchuria, or at least right now I'm not interested in them. Not interested in Malta, either. I'd love Korea, even with the ? of no carriers (and why no carriers? Too hard for them to do?) Fortunately, there are other sims in development with carriers and theatres I am interested in. But I'm waiting to see what these guys eventually reveal, although my interest is fading as their given reasons for withholding info get IMO BSier.

 

To be fair, I didn't give a damn about the Eastern Front when IL2 was first released and still I wound up enjoying it. So maybe the same would happen with Burma, yadda. ?‍♂️

[deathmisser]

27 minutes ago, JFM said:

To be fair, I didn't give a damn about the Eastern Front when IL2 was first released

Yea I just hope it's not another Russia vs X nation but yea the only ones I see working is Burma or Greece maybe Yugoslavia at a push.

[MajorMagee]

1 hour ago, deathmisser said:

Yugoslavia could be interesting as it is in the time frame of GB at the same time getting unique bombers and fighters. 

But also adding skins to the existing lot.  

 

 

What about the Greek invasion ? Particularly over the chain of islands, ether two could bring in Italian aircraft.

But at the same time bringing in something unique.  

Yes, now that we have working gliders they could even do Crete.

 

[deathmisser]

7 minutes ago, MajorMagee said:

Yes, now that we have working gliders they could even do Crete.

 

Yea, But I wouldn't mind if they do this region, 

 

 

As not only would you have Yugoslavia, Italy but also Bulgaria, Romania (Something for the IAR 80/1) and also Greece. 

A massive opportunity to add weird but unique aircraft also at the same time adding missing aircraft like the Do 17 ect. 

 

Btw I got this map by a quick google search. 

Edited December 29, 2023 by deathmisser

[Avimimus]

12 hours ago, vadupleix7 said:

TBH I’ll likely buy any theater they produce as long as it’s compatible with existing GB series, and I really wish that’s the case.

 

Me too! If they can even maintain some backwards compatibility (e.g. Flaming Cliffs 3 in DCS) it would be wonderful. A dream come true.

 

1 hour ago, JFM said:

To be fair, I didn't give a damn about the Eastern Front when IL2 was first released and still I wound up enjoying it. So maybe the same would happen with Burma, yadda. ?‍♂️

 

I agree. A lot of people have had this experience. I recall having it with Tank Crew - it turned out to be a lot more enjoyable and I wished I'd gotten it sooner.

 

I wish I'd had that experience with Il-2 Pacific Fighters - but the cancellation of the follow-up plans (due to the trademark case) meant that a lot of details were left incomplete, a number of types of aircraft were missing, and the overall ambition wasn't fulfilled. I did really enjoy some of the aircraft though. Oddly enough, I favoured the pre 1943 aircraft in the Pacific (as I do in the European theatres as well)... I think, lower wing loadings and weaker armaments allow more aerobatic dogfights ? Whereas later on slashing attacks and modern energy fighting really take over.

 

  

51 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Yea I just hope it's not another Russia vs X nation but yea the only ones I see working is Burma or Greece maybe Yugoslavia at a push.

 

We still need the '44-'45 Soviet plane set though... so sooner or later you'll see Yak-3, La-7, P-39Q etc. (Hopefully a Tu-2 as well)... it is an inevitability if the series continues long enough. In fact, I'm rather surprised it hasn't already happened (Fw-190A9 and Bf-109G10 would leave room for a couple of German aircraft... He-162, Fi-156, Ju-188 are candidates).

[deathmisser]

6 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Ju-188

I glad you said 188 and not 288 countless hours in War thunder catching up to then to only having your wing snapped off from a mile away.  

Edited December 29, 2023 by deathmisser

[Gambit21]

9 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

I favoured the pre 1943 aircraft in the Pacific (as I do in the European theatres as well)... I think, lower wing loadings and weaker armaments allow more aerobatic dogfights ? Whereas later on slashing attacks and modern energy fighting really take over.

 

Totally agree.

Early war is best by far.

 

9 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

. (Hopefully a Tu-2 as well)

 

AI for Korea ?

[Avimimus]

48 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

I glad you said 188 and not 288 countless hours in War thunder catching up to then to only having your wing snapped off from a mile away.  

 

Well, the 288 remained a few prototypes, and the 388 was put into production too late to see significant numbers. So, the Ju-188 and the Do-217 are the only later German bombers to actually be produced in quantity, and it seems the Ju-188 outlasted the Do-217 in service.

 

That said, it did have a strong sting. It was possible to replace the MG-81Z ventral gun with an MG-131... and one of the dorsal guns could be replaced by an MG151/20... so it could have two heavy machine guns and one cannon facing to the rear (with the option of a flexible forward firing cannon)..Its defensive armament was pretty comparable to the Tu-2 (with its twin dorsal and one ventral turret - all with heavy machine guns firing explosive rounds). That said, it might be better for it to carry the lightest armament available in most circumstances.

[Gambit21]

Speaking of ventral guns…

I love how both on the MiG 15 are mounted on this carriage that just swings down for maintenance.

 

That’s some great design at work.

 

 

[deathmisser]

@LukeFF I guess today is off or do we still got a chance ? 

[Gambit21]

Just now, deathmisser said:

@LukeFF I guess today is off or do we still got a chance ? 

It’s been delayed, so it means you won’t know very much a bit later rather than not knowing very much right now.

 

 

[deathmisser]

Just now, Gambit21 said:

It’s been delayed, so it means you won’t know very much a bit later rather than not knowing very much right now.

 

 

I was just looking though his messages and yea it sad but understandable, at least we got a part 1 that is 40 mins long so yea I'm not complaining about the shorter run times. : D 

[ZachariasX]

22 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

I love how both on the MiG 15 are mounted on this carriage that just swings down for maintenance.

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