HF8 Haptic pad.

[Andre]

1 hour ago, Youtch said:

I will probably go for it, and buy as well the HF8. I tried the buttkicker once and I didn t like it. It didn t work for my chair, I was feeling no vibration and only noise.

 

I will give a try now to HF8. Give a test with Andre s software and check if it is more convincing than the buttkicker.

 

@Andre: In order to do so, will i have to download the demo version of both software, the one for Il2 SIMSHAKER WINGS and the one for Realteus upgrade?

https://andres-shop.simshaker.com/software/28-simshaker-wings.html

https://andres-shop.simshaker.com/software/48-simshaker-wings-option-realteus-forcefeel-support.html

 

It's the same software. HF-8 support is a built-in option to activate.

 

1 hour ago, Youtch said:

If I want to use it in both Il2 and DCS, does it mean that I have to buy also the Simshaker for aviator?

Please refer to this thread https://forum.dcs.world/topic/147495-official-simshaker-for-aviators/ or to SimShaker for Aviators support server on Discord. You can find a link in the SimShaker for Aviators help menu.

I'm not a guy who develops SimShaker for Aviators. It's by f4l0.

I develop SimShaker Wings, SimShaker Wheels and SimShaker Sound Module software.

 

1 hour ago, slikslik said:

One more thing for Andre.  The Sim Shaker Wings software I'm using says "beta"  Is that the correct one to use?

Yes, it's fine.

[Andre]

1 hour ago, slikslik said:

Hi Andre.  My issue is that there is no seperate vibrations from the transducers when firing guns, engine etc. etc.  It feels like the vibration is coming from all transducers no matter what I do flying the aircraft.  I can increses the vibrations as well as decrease, but I don't know how to get a seperate vibration from each transducer to increase or decrease the different effects of firing weapons, flaps etc. etc.  I'm sure the issue is something simple.  It may well be something I'm doing.  I'm an idiot when it comes to software setups etc.  I do have an excuse for my being a bit slow in understanding software.  I live in Canada.  Pot is legal in Canada.  That's all I'm gonna say.   Anyhhow Andre my good friend, above are the issues.  Am I still doing something wrong?   Thank you once again...take care Andre...

Well, may be something goes wrong.
I programmed different effects to use different sets of actuators. For example, the ground bumps effect engages only 4 bottom actuators, gun fire engages all 8 motors. You can change every single effect strength by sliders in the main SimShaker Wings window. But you cannot change which motors to engage. I haven't implemented this feature for HF8 seat, at least thus far.

[Youtch]

15 minutes ago, Andre said:

But you cannot change which motors to engage. I haven't implemented this feature for HF8 seat, at least thus far.

Does it work for other seat? Do you have plan to implement this type of configuration?

[Andre]

2 hours ago, Youtch said:

Does it work for other seat? Do you have plan to implement this type of configuration?

JetSeat, JetPad, SimShaker Pad, Sound Module effects are highly customizable.
But I haven't implemented such a customization for the Forcefeel/HF8 seat, which actually was a rival product.
The situation is different now, so I wouldn't exclude I will pay more attention to HF8 support. We'll see.

[slikslik]

3 hours ago, Andre said:

Well, may be something goes wrong.
I programmed different effects to use different sets of actuators. For example, the ground bumps effect engages only 4 bottom actuators, gun fire engages all 8 motors. You can change every single effect strength by sliders in the main SimShaker Wings window. But you cannot change which motors to engage. I haven't implemented this feature for HF8 seat, at least thus far.

OK Andre.  I'll just use the slider in the shaker software to adjust sindividual vibration activator motor.   I'm super happy with the outcome of purchasing the HF8.  That's because of you and your software release and support.   I sure hope you stay wih us on this one Andre.  At least until things get better for you and we can order your seat pad.  I would buy one right now if we could figure out how to get one shipped and how to pay you.  When you are able to continue with your business, I will be the FIRST guy in line to buy your product.  Thanks again good friend...take care..

[slikslik]

Het Andre.  I played around with the sliders in the "game settings" page, and sure enough, that worked.  For example, I had to move the "gun fire" slider up to almost max in order to over-ride the engine vibrations. Clearly, the Sim Shaker software works properly if I stop overthinking what I should be doing.  Right now my HF8 is operating perfectly. ;touch wood]  Gotta thank you again Andre.  And a thank you to all forum members that responded.   Anyone looking to buy a similar type pad need lool no further.  For IL 2 smmers, the HF8 with Sim Shaker Wings is the best available at that price range. In my humble opinion.   Much appreciated all..And to Andre...take care...Eddie.   

[Youtch]

13 hours ago, Andre said:

The situation is different now, so I wouldn't exclude I will pay more attention to HF8 support.

That would be fantastic. Unfortunately it looks like current situation may drag for quite longer.

[slikslik]

Hi Youtch.  Let us know what you think of the pad once you hace all set up nice nice.  Also, if you can, let me know what your slider settings are in the Manual Start menu. when you're in IL 2.  that's IF you have that sim.   Have fun buddy...take care...

[Youtch]

I just ordered it and will try probably next weekend.

 

@Andre: Do I need to do something special with the demo version to get it the HF8 update? Do you recommend to dowload the beta version or the other one?

[Andre]

10 minutes ago, Youtch said:

I just ordered it and will try probably next weekend.

 

@Andre: Do I need to do something special with the demo version to get it the HF8 update? Do you recommend to dowload the beta version or the other one?

No, nothing special. Either version. They are equal at the moment.

[slikslik]

Hi Andre.  This may sound like a stupid question, but I need to ask anyway.  Is it possible to  to have your Sim Shaker Wings work with a joystick?  It seems that it would provide an effect similar to force feedback. Am I way off base with that dream addition to your software?  Thanks Andre...take care..

[Andre]

7 hours ago, slikslik said:

Hi Andre.  This may sound like a stupid question, but I need to ask anyway.  Is it possible to  to have your Sim Shaker Wings work with a joystick?  It seems that it would provide an effect similar to force feedback. Am I way off base with that dream addition to your software?  Thanks Andre...take care..

Hi Eddie,

Do you mean that SimShaker Wings should make the joystick to vibrate at certain situations like stall, touchdown, gun firing, etc.?

[slikslik]

Hey there big guy... I mean Andre..  The force feedback I meant, was not to have the joystick vibrate when firing weapons etc.  I was thinking of a push back on the stick that sort of lets you feel the weight of the aircract.  Software that makes the joystick need more force, push,  and pull roll etc   No vibration needed.  Just more strength to dive, pull up snd rolls etc.  Does that make sense?    Thanks Andre   take care..

[Andre]

8 hours ago, slikslik said:

Hey there big guy... I mean Andre..  The force feedback I meant, was not to have the joystick vibrate when firing weapons etc.  I was thinking of a push back on the stick that sort of lets you feel the weight of the aircract.  Software that makes the joystick need more force, push,  and pull roll etc   No vibration needed.  Just more strength to dive, pull up snd rolls etc.  Does that make sense?    Thanks Andre   take care..

Hey Eddie,

Got it! No, it's out of my scope. I have no such a dream. Please excuse me.

[Youtch]

I should receive the HF8 over this weekend and will give it a test to see if I like it more than the butt shaker which I had to return for the noise and incompatibility with my chair.

[slikslik]

Hi Youtch.  I can almost guarantee you will be happier with the HF8 ,especially swith Sim Shaker Wings software from Andre.  I have the ButtKicker 2 Gamer, and the noise and set up are just too much.  No way to properly control signals from the Buttkicker and the noise drove my wife nuts.  That's why I am giving it away.  I posted a notice that I would  donate the Buttkicker to a member of this community that may really want a Buttkicker, but cannot honestly afford one.  I have yet to hear from anyone.  Oh well,  like I said, you're gonna really like the HF8.   Thanks Youtch....take care..

[-332FG-brooklynspo]

Andre

Posted November 24

  On 11/24/2023 at 12:45 PM, Youtch said:

Does it work for other seat? Do you have plan to implement this type of configuration?

JetSeat, JetPad, SimShaker Pad, Sound Module effects are highly customizable.
But I haven't implemented such a customization for the Forcefeel/HF8 seat, which actually was a rival product.
The situation is different now, so I wouldn't exclude I will pay more attention to HF8 support. We'll see.



Hello Andre,

I recently purchased SimShaker Wings (with the Forcefeel/HF8 option.) I am happy with my purchase but I hope you do choose to implement more extensive customizable profiles which take advantage of all eight of the vibrating motors in the HF8 in the near future. Cheers!

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by -332FG-brooklynspo

[slikslik]

On 11/30/2023 at 12:23 PM, Youtch said:

I should receive the HF8 over this weekend and will give it a test to see if I like it more than the butt shaker which I had to return for the noise and incompatibility with my chair.

Did your seat show up yet?

[Youtch]

14 hours ago, slikslik said:

Did your seat show up yet?

not yet

[Youtch]

I will end up returning it, the main reason is that it is not really fitting my chair (too long on the base) and quite uncomfortable for me for long flight.

 

I also feel that the nature of the vibration for this pad is not as immediate, and as rich and immersive as it was with the Butt kicker (although the buttkicker was too noisy for me, living in an appartment).

 

Unfortunately no luck for me yet in that field.

 

y.

 

 

[slikslik]

3 hours ago, Youtch said:

I will end up returning it, the main reason is that it is not really fitting my chair (too long on the base) and quite uncomfortable for me for long flight.

 

I also feel that the nature of the vibration for this pad is not as immediate, and as rich and immersive as it was with the Butt kicker (although the buttkicker was too noisy for me, living in an appartment).

 

Unfortunately no luck for me yet in 

 

 

 

Sorry to hear this Youtch.  I have no problem with comfort sitting on my HF8.  I think leaving it on my chair is more comfortable than without it., so I just leave the pad on my chair whether I'm gaming or not.  Maybe things will get better for Andre in Russia.  That"s when we can buy his SimShaker Poe.  I know I'm buying one from Andre as soon as he is able to commence selling his products.  At least you got to try the HF8 Youtch, and now you know.   I bet It would have bugged you otherwise.   Oh well....take care buddy....

[Youtch]

14 hours ago, slikslik said:

Sorry to hear this Youtch.  I have no problem with comfort sitting on my HF8.  I think leaving it on my chair is more comfortable than without it., so I just leave the pad on my chair whether I'm gaming or not.  Maybe things will get better for Andre in Russia.  That"s when we can buy his SimShaker Poe.  I know I'm buying one from Andre as soon as he is able to commence selling his products.  At least you got to try the HF8 Youtch, and now you know.   I bet It would have bugged you otherwise.   Oh well....take care buddy....

No worries slikslik, I had to try, as you said.

 

I guess it depends a lot on the chair as well. I realized mine is very short on the base and 1/4 of the hF8 seat was hanging out.

So, let s say it was not a good fit for my configuration.

 

For the rest it was ok and overall adding to the experience.

 

One thing though that surprised me is the difference between HF8 and systems with tranducers, as per what I remember of the buttkicker.

(I believe Andre's seat is also based on tranducers).

It has a much higher cost for sure and also the tendency to get very warm, but the transducers restitute more precisely what is happening, following the pattern of the sound.

 

This is especially noticeable when releasing payload or the gear are going up, or you just touch ground.

 

HF8 vibrations are a little bit binary, it vibrates or not, and motors can vibrate a little or stronger.

With tranducer you feel so much more the details and variation in tiny little responses, and it is instantaneous.

 

For instance bomb release, you feel very clearly as if they were 2 steps during the release and I have never tried in real but it feels so real that it is probably the closest from the real thing.

 

I remember while I was trying it for the first time that I could not stop releasing payloads, just for how satisfying it was, although I almost never fly with any type of payload normally.

 

Another thing that shocked me, although I don t remember if it was the same case for Buttkicker, is that shooting always vibrate the same. For instance on Bf109 G6 Late or K4, the little MGs have the same intensity response as the big 30mm cannon, which for me is quite counter immersive.

I don t know if the telemetry sent by IL2 allows to make the difference based on type of weapon or not.

 

 

 

[Broadway]

quick question , for those using the HF8 (i have recently moved from non functioning Jet Pad) the option in Wings for the NFR 8 is unchecked and grey out (two above are available)   ,

 

Running the  NFR software i can test the seat , all appears OK 
 

tried reboot , making sure no NFR software is running in background , looked at  Andres site , and could not find answer 

 

FYI running  SimShaker-Wings | version 2.17 , IL2 cfg fie still has settings in it from Jetpad , Windows 11 build latest version 

 

 

 

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please disregard above  , i note it is a paid upgrade which is understandable , howeverall very frustrating , cannot buy a new Jet Seat due to restrictions, and cannot enable (easily) the HF8 option , will contact  Andre again ! 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2024 by Broadway

[Broadway]

just to provide an update , as always  Andre was very supportive , and i now have the HF8 up and running, aButtkicker will also follow in a few weeks 

[-332FG-brooklynspo]

 

[ITAF_Rani]

Hi all I m interested  to Next Level Racing HF8   I would ask if it works fine also without Simshaker wings Andre  program.

This next level works by USB cable just plug and play?

 

PS my IL2 GB is non Steam version, bought directly from IL2store..any difference?

Because I saw the HF8 support Il2 GB steam version..

 

Thanks in advance

[-332FG-brooklynspo]

18 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Hi all I m interested  to Next Level Racing HF8   I would ask if it works fine also without Simshaker wings Andre  program.

This next level works by USB cable just plug and play?

 

PS my IL2 GB is non Steam version, bought directly from IL2store..any difference?

Because I saw the HF8 support Il2 GB steam version..

 

Thanks in advance

No, not yet. I've heard rumors that IL-2 support is planned by Next Level Racing but right now the only air sims supported directly are X-Plane, MSFS and DCS. Even if they do eventually support ILS directly, it still remains to be seen how well they implement the support.

I'm not expert but I don't think there is any significant difference between Steam version and direct purchase version, apart from the licensing.

Edited January 26, 2024 by -332FG-brooklynspo

[ITAF_Rani]

1 hour ago, -332FG-brooklynspo said:

No, not yet. I've heard rumors that IL-2 support is planned by Next Level Racing but right now it the only air sims supported directly are X-Plane, MSFS and DCS. Even if they do eventually support ILS directly it still remains to be seen how well they implement the support.

I'm not expert but I don't think there is any significant difference between Steam version and direct purchase version, apart from the licensing.

Txs mate we hope will be soon an update..

Best

[BlackBadger]

+1 on the slip indicator! i hope there is a way to do that.

[Andre]

I'm afraid IL-2 doesn't expose slip ball data.

[BlackBadger]

oh man really!? that's a shame, we really ought to talk to the devs.

[-332FG-brooklynspo]

Perhaps via the "official" IL-2 API the slip-ball data is not exposed, but it definitely is accessible. The IL-2 Dials program displays slip-ball data in real time.

IL-2 Dials has been available the IL-2 Forums, in clear sight of the developers for three years now, so it is tacitly approved as an accepted game enhancement.

IL-2 Dials (Instrument Panel App) - 3rd Party Apps, Utilities, Tools and Other Content - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum (il2sturmovik.com)

Just saying...

 

[ITAF_Rani]

One question the HF8 could work in IL2 by SIMHUB software ?

Edited February 8, 2024 by ITAF_Rani

[Youtch]

On 11/22/2023 at 12:52 PM, Andre said:

Never used PiTool to be honest. I mostly start IL-2 with it launcher, except when I wan to postpone its update.
Glad you are happy with it now. You are the man, Eddie!

It's an option actually. Not included into the base level lic.

Yes, but most likely it's not an option for you.
I developed and produce my own version of vibrating seat, SimShaker Pad, which I like a lot. 

I live in Russia. I do not ship abroad due to the sanctions/counter sanctions. I'm sorry.

 

 

Is it a new model compared to the one sold on the website? It seems slightly different.

[Andre]

1 hour ago, Youtch said:

Is it a new model compared to the one sold on the website? It seems slightly different.

Yes, it's a new model.

[Youtch]

2 hours ago, Andre said:

Yes, it's a new model.

May I ask what did you change compared to previous model? It does not seem to be appearing in the website.

[Andre]

1 hour ago, Youtch said:

May I ask what did you change compared to previous model? It does not seem to be appearing in the website.

It's in the Russian part of the website. About what changed please read here https://ru-simshaker-com.translate.goog/guides/simshaker-pad/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 

[Youtch]

5 minutes ago, Andre said:

It's in the Russian part of the website. About what changed please read here https://ru-simshaker-com.translate.goog/guides/simshaker-pad/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 

Thanks. It looks good!

[OneStone]

On 12/7/2023 at 2:37 PM, Youtch said:

...

This is especially noticeable when releasing payload or the gear are going up, or you just touch ground.

HF8 vibrations are a little bit binary, it vibrates or not, and motors can vibrate a little or stronger.

...

Hi,

I am considering HF8, but a have some doubts. What I expect from this kind of products is enhanced information about g-load and stall, helping me to get and stay on the edge if needed. So it should provide (reasonably) instant feedback and graduated feedback (so not binary like on/off).  Would you (or anybody else) comment these two aspects for HF8? Thanks! ?    

[Youtch]

21 minutes ago, OneStone said:

Hi,

I am considering HF8, but a have some doubts. What I expect from this kind of products is enhanced information about g-load and stall, helping me to get and stay on the edge if needed. So it should provide (reasonably) instant feedback and graduated feedback (so not binary like on/off).  Would you (or anybody else) comment these two aspects for HF8? Thanks! ?    

It is a matter of taste, personnally I was feeling that the delay in the activation and the fact that it is on/off and not in sync with actual frequency in the game was breaking the immersion compared to other systems.