Update 5.104 has been published

[LukeFF]

Full information here: https://il2sturmovik.com/news/802/update-5104-sky-nomads-historical-campaign-three-n/

[fergal69]

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Thanks for the update, downloading now 

 

Looking forward to recon missions.

Edited June 27, 2023 by fergal69

[354thFG_Leifr]

Will the recon feature be useable in MP?

[Mysticpuma]

Move along, it's not the update you're looking for ?

Edited June 27, 2023 by Mysticpuma

[Nickkyboy99]

Great update ?

[Blitzen]

Thanks !

[Avimimus]

Kind-of makes one want a P.R. version of the Mossie and maybe a P-38F-5  Not to mention the Fi-156 and Fw-189... or course, those are all moderately significant asks.

 

Something that would be easier: Adding artillery spotting missions for the U-2VS we already have in game. The code is already there for WWI two-seaters, so why not our little Polikarpov biplane? Were there any dedicated artillery spotting units?

[JG_deserteagle540]

Yes, photo recon in the arado 234, such an interesting plane to fly.

 

Thanks!

[Avimimus]

The one other suggestion:

 

If we don't have this in the AQMB - it might be good to have a couple of quick (i.e. airstart) missions to the single missions section so that players can practice photorecon and artillery spotting (without having to do so in a campaign)!

[Alexmarine]

41 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

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Something that would be easier: Adding artillery spotting missions for the U-2VS we already have in game. The code is already there for WWI two-seaters, so why not our little Polikarpov biplane? Were there any dedicated artillery spotting units?

Artillery correction was provided either by Separate (Artillery) Correction Squadrons (ОКРАЭ) or by Separate Recoinassance Squadrons (OДРАЭ, along with photo recon). In both cases the few U-2s were liaison machines with the actual workhorses being the in-game Pe-2, Il-2 (from the 1943 two-seat model) and Hurricanes in at least one case; plus the not-in-game Pe-3, SB, Su-2 (up until two-seaters Il-2 started to appear) and the early war rare Yak-2 and -4 (plus other exotic interwar planes like the Neman R-10)

[Leftenant_Soap]

Thank you for the promo code 1CGS! I'm sending you some love. ❤️

[FeuerFliegen]

Thanks for the new artillery spotting mode!  I started a new career with RAF squadron No. 26 and flew my first mission doing so.  I would love to see this expanded to more planes.

[Avimimus]

5 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

Artillery correction was provided either by Separate (Artillery) Correction Squadrons (ОКРАЭ) or by Separate Recoinassance Squadrons (OДРАЭ, along with photo recon). In both cases the few U-2s were liaison machines with the actual workhorses being the in-game Pe-2, Il-2 (from the 1943 two-seat model) and Hurricanes in at least one case; plus the not-in-game Pe-3, SB, Su-2 (up until two-seaters Il-2 started to appear) and the early war rare Yak-2 and -4 (plus other exotic interwar planes like the Neman R-10)

 

Very interesting! Thank you.

 

These are relatively high performance aircraft compared to the Piper L-4, Stinson L-5, Taylorcraft Auster, and Fi-156!

 

I suppose I could amend my suggestion to the Pe-2/Pe-3 and Il-2 1943

 

 

  

55 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Thanks for the new artillery spotting mode!  I started a new career with RAF squadron No. 26 and flew my first mission doing so.  I would love to see this expanded to more planes.

 

A spotter commanding a couple of artillery batteries significantly out-guns any other WWII aircraft. Lots of potential ways to expand this gameplay too.

[ralk59]

[migmadmarine]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

 

Very interesting! Thank you.

 

These are relatively high performance aircraft compared to the Piper L-4, Stinson L-5, Taylorcraft Auster, and Fi-156!

 

I suppose I could amend my suggestion to the Pe-2/Pe-3 and Il-2 1943

Would still love to see the Storch, Auster and Piper Grasshopper 

[SYN_Ricky]

Will the recon and artillery missions also be available later on in FC for two-seaters? Those were their primary missions in WWI. 

[GOZR]

Great always good to have an update.. super job !!! great to have a new light ways. while i am not interested by campaigns personally since it is out of the core sim, but essential to have agree,  I would like to know if work is made into the most important aspect of  IL2. the weather and atmospheric physics ..  turbulences and such..  yaw and torque and corrections of some module flaps interactions and so on ?  Thanks

Edited June 28, 2023 by GOZR

[Hanu]

Thanks! Like GOZR said. Now it has been BlackSix's who has keeping the fire up with distinction.

[migmadmarine]

Can anyone confirm for me if they are able to get the waypoints to trigger in the Arado photo recon missions in Normandy, when flying without visible waypoints on? I've had difficulty getting them to work, but I don't know if that is my sloppy navigating, or a bug. 

[Art-J]

@GOZRI don't want to be "glass half empty guy", but let's be realistic. Do you really expect any major core game rework (that's what your requested items mean) to be done here when majority of the dev team is full steam ahead into their new, undisclosed game?

 

Expanding this title is already limited to 3rd party converting ROF planes, IAR being finished, some "low hanging fruit" warbirds being added (like recent Spit and 109 variants, or Li-2 being developed). Apart from that and maybe a couple of campaigns plus bug fixes, I wouldn't count on any serious changes coming. That's what the new franchise, whatever it is, will hopefully bring.

[GOZR]

9 minutes ago, Art-J said:

@GOZRI don't want to be "glass half empty guy", but let's be realistic. Do you really expect any major core game rework (that's what your requested items mean) to be done here when majority of the dev team is full steam ahead into their new, undisclosed game?

 

Expanding this title is already limited to 3rd party converting ROF planes, IAR being finished, some "low hanging fruit" warbirds being added (like recent Spit and 109 variants, or Li-2 being developed). Apart from that and maybe a couple of campaigns plus bug fixes, I wouldn't count on any serious changes coming. That's what the new franchise, whatever it is, will hopefully bring.

Not sure that is the same jason part away and IL2 team separate..  What is the point continuing getting aircraft or anything here ? Jason is pacific which will not be as popular due to the sizes of map and distances .. good luck.. the East front is where things were a lot more and distance wise .,.  This sim need people pushing for more .. we dealt for so long with people not wanting to push and wanting more. no more  and more planes that feel all the same but we need imperatively atmospheric effects..  sounds and remaster the dumb down of FM.. 

while the rest of the sim civilian and jets combat are getting more and more detailed il2 is getting into the Game vision and not simulator. It is a game now.. alas. and so much that online is getting fewer and fewer people because they want a Sim..  more campaigns for solo flights  Arrgh!  .. insane !! The Devs need to show what they can really do and take back  the lead . to be more real unbalanced following real data and effects and drop the Game attitude .. it doesn't work anymore all are empty . time to push more

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by GOZR

[GOZR]

The whole update was basically about campaigns which personally like many dont care..  but it is good to have and the community to have and work on..  I hope the new pacific and the East compete and push the realism where it should be . The update is a big disappointment to me..  work on light is fantastic but flying any aircraft .. any with a much better physics and atmospheric physics to feel all what a flight should have is by far the best and so satisfaying .. right now we have a yak9 that have some inverted controls effect that flie like a P51 or a FW 190 with some little change of parameters tables...  you take any and ad the goodies and it become skills and good and not dumb down for a 10 years old skid starting to flight sim and then to upgrade to the Jet famous sim which also is even worse on that regard..  at list it has great weapons simulation.

 

would be nice to have communication with the Devs and see what will happen .. to give up like 1946 or Blitz or stay. 

Edited June 28, 2023 by GOZR

[AKA_Ramstein]

what? not a 99th version of the fw190 or bf109? ....lol..

Edited June 28, 2023 by AKA_Ramstein

[simfan2015]

IL-2 GB is still being supported and improved. That is all I hoped for (after hearing about their new project). 

Can't wait to get FC 3.

[Trooper117]

So artillery spotting is in, good stuff... but without the main aircraft that were usually used for spotting during WWII?

[GOZR]

1 hour ago, AKA_Ramstein said:

what? not a 99th version of the fw190 or bf109? ....lol..

Lol actually why not..  with aymospheric physics it make any plane fun and busy to fly.. any plane..  for now its a game.. simplified.. with huge potential that was refused to make it more complex.. my long talks with .....  years.. decade ago.. it take 10 years easy for some to understand and have the vision.

[Deicide]

Remember when we asked for the B-25/26 or AI improvements? But instead of that stuff you said here is another Yak/109/Spitfire and also a glider (Really... No B-25/26 BUT HERE IS A GLIDER!!!) and now ANOTHER Eastern Front Campaign..

[senseispcc]

Thanks for the beautiful picture, no calendar for the month July 2023. 

And the rest naturally!

Edited June 28, 2023 by senseispcc
add forgoten sentence

[BlackSix]

15 minutes ago, Deicide said:

... and now ANOTHER Eastern Front Campaign..

ANOTHER? This is a bit of an odd claim given that the previous Eastern Front campaign was released in August 2021. And you remember that you already got 2 free Western Front campaigns this year, right?)

[Avimimus]

Let's try to focus on the artillery spotting, reconnaissance, and new campaign in this thread - and keep the speculations about future development to other threads.

  

5 hours ago, Art-J said:

@GOZRI don't want to be "glass half empty guy", but let's be realistic. Do you really expect any major core game rework (that's what your requested items mean) to be done here when majority of the dev team is full steam ahead into their new, undisclosed game?

 

To be clear - it still hasn't been announced how much backwards compatibility the next release will have. It does appear that the devs have indicated the next release will be an iteration on the existing game engine (with some core elements significantly reworked), but we don't know more than that.

 

Please do not present speculation as if it is established fact.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

To be fair, I think it was announced that the devs were basically focused on the new engine, and that a small part of the team would be focused on bringing over more ROF planes.  The photo graphic timeline previously published really echoes that imo.

 

Besides, with a new engine in development, why would they spend large amounts of tIme revising the old engine?

[Avimimus]

15 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

To be fair, I think it was announced that the devs were basically focused on the new engine, and that a small part of the team would be focused on bringing over more ROF planes.  The photo graphic timeline previously published really echoes that imo.

 

Besides, with a new engine in development, why would they spend large amounts of tIme revising the old engine?

 

The developers have clearly stated that the next product will rework several parts of their proprietary engine - but it is still the same engine, just another evolution/generation of it (However, we do not know how much compatibility it will have with existing products). Saying it is a 'new engine' would imply recoding the engine from scratch (or moving the content to another engine entirely). That is inaccurate.

 

If you want me to cite my sources - I can send them to you. This isn't really an appropriate thread for this discussion though.

 

P.S. We also know that the timeline of announced products doesn't represent the complete timeline - there is work already being done on aircraft for the next release (unannounced), and they've also stated that they will be announcing products closer to release (particularly where third parties are involved).

[GOZR]

31 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

.please can you ? 

 

thank you.. means a lot .. spending time and money here will depend on. Thx

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If you want me to cite my sources - I can send them to you. This isn't really an appropriate thread for this discussion though.

 

P.S. We also know that the timeline of announced products doesn't represent the complete timeline - there is work already being done on aircraft for the next release (unannounced), and they've also stated that they will be announcing products closer to release (particularly where third parties are involved).

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by GOZR

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

So artillery spotting is in, good stuff... but without the main aircraft that were usually used for spotting during WWII?

 

? The Spitfire Vb was used for a fair amount of time in the artillery correction role, including during...Normandy. This was a perfect opportunity to introduce said feature on the WWII side.

[Avimimus]

I also gather that the British artillery spotters were given quite a bit of latitude by that point in the war? Able to call upon multiple units/types of artillery and design relatively complex fire missions... all while flying a single-seat dogfighter.

 

Honestly, I think artillery spotting is a really promising area for ongoing development. I remember an old mod for Operation Flashpoint - and the whole process of selecting appropriate fires, then providing accurate correction was very dramatic - especially given the time delays between the call going out and it arriving, and especially when it was against advancing troops (giving both due to the challenge of predicting their positions and the sense of urgency).

 

I could actually see some very interesting uses of this in Tank Crew - both dedicated spotters (like armoured cars or command tanks), and through use of aerial spotters. An orbiting Spitfire might be a priority target for Luftwaffe aircraft, and one can't help but to imagine tank crews themselves trying to take out a lower/slower flying Fi-156 (if it was added to the game).

[LukeFF]

3 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

I could actually see some very interesting uses of this in Tank Crew - both dedicated spotters (like armoured cars or command tanks), and through use of aerial spotters. An orbiting Spitfire might be a priority target for Luftwaffe aircraft, and one can't help but to imagine tank crews themselves trying to take out a lower/slower flying Fi-156 (if it was added to the game).

 

Yes, by 1944, it's mentioned in the histories of units like JG 26 and III./JG 54 that they tried their utmost to intercept artillery spotting aircraft (ubiquitously referred to as "Austers" in combat reports) because they knew how deadly they were to the troops on the ground.

Just now, LukeFF said:

Yes, by 1944, it's mentioned in the histories of units like JG 26 and III./JG 54 that they tried their utmost to intercept artillery spotting aircraft (ubiquitously referred to as "Austers" in combat reports) because they knew how deadly they were to the troops on the ground.

 

Also, some combat reports from 26 Squadron during Overlord:

[Avimimus]

This might make a really good 'this week in history' post.

[moustache]

will smoke canisters be added to Pz IV one day?

[ralk59]

 

And for Tank Crew? It's for when?

[LukeFF]

25 minutes ago, ralk59 said:

And for Tank Crew? It's for when?

 

Sorry,  but there's nothing to report about Tank Crew right now.