What is this?????

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hi everyone,

This is a build-in-progress destined for upcoming dlc 6.0. Can anyone identify:

1) Make
2) Model
3) Variant

of this aircraft, and give your reason(s) why? 

Good luck!

Snapper 

[AndyJWest]

Fw 190 A-3?

 

Definitely an 190, and the engine position moved forward for later versions.

 

Nice. ?

[Bussard_x]

4 cannons and longer nose: A-4

Edited June 18, 2023 by Bussard2

[blockheadgreen_]

Oh I wonder what it could be! Love the amount of detail going on here.

 

Waiting for something similar for the Typhoon you guys are definitelyyy working on (hint hint) ?

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

Longer nose started with the A-5.

I can't really tell without the fuselage around it if it is a longer nose or not. MG FF/M in the wings and 151/20 in the wing roots could be an A-2 to an A-5 this way. Can't see what the cooling openings on the side look like or what the top of the fin looks like, so not too much to go by... 

 

Could point us to anything from mid 1942 to mid 1943.

 

 

But looking at the antenna attachment point it is coming out horizontally, so it's either an A-2 or an A-3.

 

Edit: thought it was an internal attachment point, but it is just the conical insulator...

 

I'd guess an A-2 or A-3 anyways though given it would be a natural progression in the timeline so far. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by 9./JG52_J-HAT

[Bussard_x]

56 minutes ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said:

Longer nose started with the A-5.

I can't really tell without the fuselage around it if it is a longer nose or not. MG FF/M in the wings and 151/20 in the wing roots could be an A-2 to an A-5 this way. Can't see what the cooling openings on the side look like or what the top of the fin looks like, so not too much to go by... 

 

Could point us to anything from mid 1942 to mid 1943.

 

 

But looking at the antenna attachment point it is coming out horizontally, so it's either an A-2 or an A-3.

 

Edit: thought it was an internal attachment point, but it is just the conical insulator...

 

I'd guess an A-2 or A-3 anyways though given it would be a natural progression in the timeline so far. 

Yes correct, the longer nose was from A-5, I was mistaken. Therefore I think it’s an A-5.

[Enceladus828]

Thank you for posting this, Riley ? 

 

Do you know when the announcement of content for TF 6.0 will be?

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, Enceladus said:

Thank you for posting this, Riley ? 

 

Do you know when the announcement of content for TF 6.0 will be?

I think the visual update and VR will have to happen first ?

[Snowdon]

1 hour ago, Mysticpuma said:

I think the visual update and VR will have to happen first ?

no doubt or there's gonna be riots

[Trooper117]

Looks like some kind of jerry Gypo wagon to me...

[Buffo002]

Fw 190  A-2 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

23 hours ago, Bussard2 said:

4 cannons and longer nose: A-4

 

 

Following offcial statements from TFS, the A-4 is not planned to be modelled yet, "only" the A-1, A-2 and A-3.

 

 

21 hours ago, Bussard2 said:

Yes correct, the longer nose was from A-5, I was mistaken. Therefore I think it’s an A-5.

 

 

As per the above.

 

 

15 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

I think the visual update and VR will have to happen first ?

 

 

Enceladus was talking about the announcement of content in the add-on, not the release of the add-on.

 

 

13 hours ago, Snowdon said:

no doubt or there's gonna be riots

 

 

Again, Enceladus was referring to announcements of content, not the release, but... anyway... I get what you mean...

 

 

11 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Looks like some kind of jerry Gypo wagon to me...

 

 

One of the funniest joke in the forums... 

 

 

5 hours ago, Buffo002 said:

Fw 190  A-2 

 

 

 

It's your best guess Buffo? Or ar your sure of this?

 

 

In, another vein... THANK YOU RILEY FOR POSTING THAT!

 

GO TFS GO!!!

 

 

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Oh, by the way, has anyone noticed that this level of detail is pretty higher than the previous TFS creations in Desert Wings - Tobruk ? In my opinion it is...

 

 

[Volant_Eagle]

The armament alone gives away what model of 190 this is.

 

The A-0 had an all 7.92mm MG17 armament. No cannons. Two synchronized MG17s in the cowling, one synchronized MG17 in each wing root, and one free firing MG17 in each wing outboard the prop arc.

 

The A-1 had the two outboard MG17s changed to 20mm MG/FFs while retaining the four MG17s in the wing root and cowling. (Can't put MG/FFs in the prop arc because they can't be reliably synchronized.)

 

The A-2 had the wing root MG17s replaced with 20mm MG151/20 cannons. The outboard MG/FFs were retained as well as the cowling MG17s.

 

The A-3, A-4, and A-5 had the same (*standard) armament as the A-2.

 

The A-6 finally swapped out the outboard MG/FFs for MG151/20s. Giving a total of four wing mounted 20mm MG151/20s and two 7.92mm MG17s in the cowling.

 

In short:

A-0: 6x 7.92mm MG17s

A-1: 4x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs

A-2: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-3: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-4: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-5: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-6: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 4x 20mm MG151/20s

 

The outboard guns in the picture have drums which makes them obviously MG/FFs. The presence of MG/FFs limits the range of possibilities to the A-1 through the A-5. The wing root guns are the same size as the cowling guns and have the same width ammo boxes. Thus the root guns are definitely MG17s meaning this can only be an A-1.

 

Note: I strongly doubt the A-0 will ever be in the game. Only about 20 something were made as pre-production. So it wouldn't be like much is missing from the theater to exclude them. However, those 20 something were used operationally and I personally think it would be very interesting to see how the butcher bird fairs without its precious cannons. If it was as simple as swapping out the outboard MG/FFs for MG17s I'm certain it would be included. However, that is unfortunately not the case. The A-0 has a different engine than the A-1 as well as some airframe differences. Therefore I doubt it's worth the effort the include it.

[sevenless]

On 6/18/2023 at 11:00 PM, Riley said:

Hi everyone,

This is a build-in-progress destined for upcoming dlc 6.0. Can anyone identify:

1) Make
2) Model
3) Variant

of this aircraft, and give your reason(s) why? 

Good luck!

Snapper 

 

 

Nice one.

 

Its an Fw-190 A1

 

Why?

- Fuselage armament of MG 17

- Wing armament of MG 17s in inboard positions (with no protruding barrels or wing root blisters) and MG FF in outboard positions, with underwing bulges.

 

A0 has only MG17s and A2 has MG 151s in inboard positions

 

Looking forward to fly it over the Channel.

[Buffo002]

8 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Following offcial statements from TFS, the A-4 is not planned to be modelled yet, "only" the A-1, A-2 and A-3.

 

 

 

 

As per the above.

 

 

 

 

Enceladus was talking about the announcement of content in the add-on, not the release of the add-on.

 

 

 

 

Again, Enceladus was referring to announcements of content, not the release, but... anyway... I get what you mean...

 

 

 

 

One of the funniest joke in the forums... 

 

 

 

 

It's your best guess Buffo? Or ar your sure of this?

 

 

In, another vein... THANK YOU RILEY FOR POSTING THAT!

 

GO TFS GO!!!

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but it could be the Fw 190 A-1, as the wing root weapons could be 7.9mm machine guns. The FW 190 A-1 had 4x MG 7.9mm and 2x 20mm

 

[No.54_Reddog]

It's an A1. Being introduced with the A2 and A3 to cover the rodeo and circus period, and to offset the typhoon that you're modelling. My bet is that this will be tied to a DLC without a new map necessarily, something to utilise the updated channel map and its new landmarks. CLOD: Dieppe 1942 perhaps?

[Enceladus828]

3 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

My bet is that this will be tied to a DLC without a new map necessarily, something to utilise the updated channel map and its new landmarks. CLOD: Dieppe 1942 perhaps?

In this interview between Rod White, Pattle and Buzzsaw, the latter states that the next installment will have a map that is new — hasn’t really been seen in a WW2 combat flight sim — and will be appealing to players, along with moving the planeset on the Channel Map to 1942

 

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

14 hours ago, Volant_Eagle said:

The armament alone gives away what model of 190 this is.

 

The A-0 had an all 7.92mm MG17 armament. No cannons. Two synchronized MG17s in the cowling, one synchronized MG17 in each wing root, and one free firing MG17 in each wing outboard the prop arc.

 

The A-1 had the two outboard MG17s changed to 20mm MG/FFs while retaining the four MG17s in the wing root and cowling. (Can't put MG/FFs in the prop arc because they can't be reliably synchronized.)

 

The A-2 had the wing root MG17s replaced with 20mm MG151/20 cannons. The outboard MG/FFs were retained as well as the cowling MG17s.

 

The A-3, A-4, and A-5 had the same (*standard) armament as the A-2.

 

The A-6 finally swapped out the outboard MG/FFs for MG151/20s. Giving a total of four wing mounted 20mm MG151/20s and two 7.92mm MG17s in the cowling.

 

In short:

A-0: 6x 7.92mm MG17s

A-1: 4x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs

A-2: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-3: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-4: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-5: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-6: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 4x 20mm MG151/20s

 

The outboard guns in the picture have drums which makes them obviously MG/FFs. The presence of MG/FFs limits the range of possibilities to the A-1 through the A-5. The wing root guns are the same size as the cowling guns and have the same width ammo boxes. Thus the root guns are definitely MG17s meaning this can only be an A-1.

 

Note: I strongly doubt the A-0 will ever be in the game. Only about 20 something were made as pre-production. So it wouldn't be like much is missing from the theater to exclude them. However, those 20 something were used operationally and I personally think it would be very interesting to see how the butcher bird fairs without its precious cannons. If it was as simple as swapping out the outboard MG/FFs for MG17s I'm certain it would be included. However, that is unfortunately not the case. The A-0 has a different engine than the A-1 as well as some airframe differences. Therefore I doubt it's worth the effort the include it.

Nice catch with the MG17 in the wingroot. Had to look 20 times after reading your post to convince myself it wasn't the 151/20. But makes sense. Shorter barrel, same size as the cowling guns... In hindsight it's obvious ?

7 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

It's an A1. Being introduced with the A2 and A3 to cover the rodeo and circus period, and to offset the typhoon that you're modelling. My bet is that this will be tied to a DLC without a new map necessarily, something to utilise the updated channel map and its new landmarks. CLOD: Dieppe 1942 perhaps?

This is also my current take. 

 

If TFS manages to produce a new map I'm between an extension of the current North African map or Malta and Sicily. 

[Trooper117]

Malta I suspect...

[343KKT_Kintaro]

I read your responses my friends, many thanks to all of you.

 

And, yep, there will be a separate map in TFS 6.0...

 

Blitz (4.5) = English Channel 1940

 

Tobruk (5.0) = Libya/Egypt bordering areas 1940/1942

 

?????? (6.0) = ?

 

 

[Buzzsaw]

17 hours ago, Volant_Eagle said:

The armament alone gives away what model of 190 this is.

 

The A-0 had an all 7.92mm MG17 armament. No cannons. Two synchronized MG17s in the cowling, one synchronized MG17 in each wing root, and one free firing MG17 in each wing outboard the prop arc.

 

The A-1 had the two outboard MG17s changed to 20mm MG/FFs while retaining the four MG17s in the wing root and cowling. (Can't put MG/FFs in the prop arc because they can't be reliably synchronized.)

 

The A-2 had the wing root MG17s replaced with 20mm MG151/20 cannons. The outboard MG/FFs were retained as well as the cowling MG17s.

 

The A-3, A-4, and A-5 had the same (*standard) armament as the A-2.

 

The A-6 finally swapped out the outboard MG/FFs for MG151/20s. Giving a total of four wing mounted 20mm MG151/20s and two 7.92mm MG17s in the cowling.

 

In short:

A-0: 6x 7.92mm MG17s

A-1: 4x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs

A-2: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-3: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-4: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-5: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 2x 20mm MG/FFs, 2x 20mm MG151/20s

A-6: 2x 7.92mm MG17s, 4x 20mm MG151/20s

 

The outboard guns in the picture have drums which makes them obviously MG/FFs. The presence of MG/FFs limits the range of possibilities to the A-1 through the A-5. The wing root guns are the same size as the cowling guns and have the same width ammo boxes. Thus the root guns are definitely MG17s meaning this can only be an A-1.

 

Note: I strongly doubt the A-0 will ever be in the game. Only about 20 something were made as pre-production. So it wouldn't be like much is missing from the theater to exclude them. However, those 20 something were used operationally and I personally think it would be very interesting to see how the butcher bird fairs without its precious cannons. If it was as simple as swapping out the outboard MG/FFs for MG17s I'm certain it would be included. However, that is unfortunately not the case. The A-0 has a different engine than the A-1 as well as some airframe differences. Therefore I doubt it's worth the effort the include it.

Volant_Eagle is correct.  It's an A-1.

 

Of course, you are looking at an incomplete model... for example, you only see two engine cylinders on the BMW-801C... one from the front row and one from the back row.  the game only draws one of each type... so it is not necessary to place every cylinder for code purposes... the other cylinders have a marker to identify their type and a point location... when the game calls on them to be displayed, they are drawn.  The same applies to other duplicate parts.

 

And this only includes internal parts... no skin, no fuselage structure, etc.

 

Click on the image three times to get a larger version.

 

We will not include the A-0... for the reasons Volant_Eagle mentioned.

 

We hope to have an announcement which will indicate the contents of TF 6.0 and the scenario in the near future... I know we have promised that before, but we are now getting to that point... can't give an exact date.

 

Thanks to everyone for their patience.  ?

[jcole]

Thanks for the update. A FW-190 of any model will be a fun addition to the sim. Now, how about a Typhoon Mk1B? And maybe  a Mossy ??

[No.54_Reddog]

3 hours ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said:

Nice catch with the MG17 in the wingroot. Had to look 20 times after reading your post to convince myself it wasn't the 151/20. But makes sense. Shorter barrel, same size as the cowling guns... In hindsight it's obvious ?

This is also my current take. 

 

If TFS manages to produce a new map I'm between an extension of the current North African map or Malta and Sicily. 

I've made it pretty clear for some time I'll sell my left lung for Malta done well. However, to do it well will require quite a ridiculous volume of bespoke buildings. I hope that the team have plenty of 3d modellers with talent. I've been playing in blender for a while now but know I'm not up to the challenge!

[No.54_Reddog]

8 hours ago, Enceladus said:

In this interview between Rod White, Pattle and Buzzsaw, the latter states that the next installment will have a map that is new — hasn’t really been seen in a WW2 combat flight sim — and will be appealing to players, along with moving the planeset on the Channel Map to 1942

 

With the best will in the world, we have a long and documented history of things being said, and then not coming to pass. It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that plans change between 3 years ago when that interview was held and now.

 

And in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, for instance, the absolute lack of any intel on a map reaching any sign of completion, then I think I'm free to speculate.

 

 

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, No.54_Reddog said:

With the best will in the world, we have a long and documented history of things being said, and then not coming to pass. It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that plans change between 3 years ago when that interview was held and now.

That’s just for an estimated release date for their Visual Update Package and previous times in the past when they hoped they could announce TF 6.0’s content but COVID, a country invading its neighbouring country causing their liaison to part with 1C, and other things. I don’t think there has ever been anything where they said something would be included and at the last minute was like “Whoops, sorry. Not going to be here after all” or their plans on what would be in the next installment changed.
In fact, all we know for sure content wise is we’re getting the early Fw-190 models. We see WIP images of the Fw-190A-1 so I would say the intended maps of TF 6.0 declared between August 2020 and now, as well as any new aircraft haven’t changed and if they have it’s minimal. They probably knew what later variants of aircraft already in the game would be in the next installment after Desert Wings and any entirely new aircraft if Desert Wings was successful which it looks like it was.

[No.54_Reddog]

Oh OK. Which "intended maps of TF6" have been declared? Because I have a pretty good idea what maps are in development and AFAIK none are anywhere near ready. But, we'll see.

[Drum]

Tunisia, the Yanks are coming!

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Version 5.0 ("Desert Wings - Tobruk") added 8 new flyable types and 1 new map to this game. We could expect that version 6.0 will add 8 new flyable types and 1 new map equally. Regarding the map, this is exactly what has been announced, as Enceladus reminded. No idea about the number of new flyable types in version 6.0... I think that point has never been mentioned by TFS.

 

 

[Livai]

30 July 1942 when a Spitfire Mk IX shot down a Focke-Wulf 190A. Can't wait to fly the 190 and the IX.................

[blockheadgreen_]

4 hours ago, Livai said:

30 July 1942 when a Spitfire Mk IX shot down a Focke-Wulf 190A. Can't wait to fly the 190 and the IX.................

1942 also saw the introduction of the Spit Mk VI; I know not so many were built but it saw a lot of action over the Channel regardless, and would frankly be a lot of fun.

[Livai]

15 hours ago, Lythronax said:

1942 also saw the introduction of the Spit Mk VI; I know not so many were built but it saw a lot of action over the Channel regardless, and would frankly be a lot of fun.

 

The 190 was flying against the Spit Mk V . The Spit Mk IX are just converted improved Spit Mk V to match the 190 performance

I think we get the A-1, the A-2 and the A-3. Next plane for sure could be the Bf-109 G-2

 

Anyway flying the Focke over the Channel map + VR + TrueSky and the next DLC 6.0 seeing how CloD grows is already fantastic.

[Buzzsaw]

4 hours ago, Livai said:

 

The 190 was flying against the Spit Mk V . The Spit Mk IX are just converted improved Spit Mk V to match the 190 performance

I think we get the A-1, the A-2 and the A-3. Next plane for sure could be the Bf-109 G-2

 

Anyway flying the Focke over the Channel map + VR + TrueSky and the next DLC 6.0 seeing how CloD grows is already fantastic.

We have already said we will include the A-1/A-2/A-3 in TF 6.0.  That will include the version of the A-3 which could carry bombs/drop tanks.

 

We think players will be excited to try these early versions... this was the aircraft which really upset the apple cart of air balance and gave the RAF a scare until they could put an emergency program in place to create the Spitfire Mk IX.

 

The FW-190A was really the first '2nd Generation' monoplane fighter... designed to fly and maneuver at high speed.

[Livai]

19 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

We have already said we will include the A-1/A-2/A-3 in TF 6.0.  That will include the version of the A-3 which could carry bombs/drop tanks.

 

We think players will be excited to try these early versions... this was the aircraft which really upset the apple cart of air balance and gave the RAF a scare until they could put an emergency program in place to create the Spitfire Mk IX.

 

The FW-190A was really the first '2nd Generation' monoplane fighter... designed to fly and maneuver at high speed.

 

Thanks @Buzzsaw for your comment.

 

Of course it will be a lot of fun to fly these early versions in TF 6.0.

 

-> I hope you show us more build-in-progress stuff as example to identify the next aircraft

Edited June 24, 2023 by Livai

[Buzzsaw]

On 6/24/2023 at 9:48 AM, Livai said:

 

Thanks @Buzzsaw for your comment.

 

Of course it will be a lot of fun to fly these early versions in TF 6.0.

 

-> I hope you show us more build-in-progress stuff as example to identify the next aircraft

We are limited in what we can reveal. 

 

The official announcement has to be made by Fulqrum.  So any details about aircraft/maps/etc. has to wait for that.

 

We make an exception for the FW-190A because it was announced as being part of TF 6.0 at the release of TF 5.0.

[Enceladus828]

3 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

We are limited in what we can reveal. 

Are you able to say how many planes — in terms of few, several and many — are in Beta and how many are still in the pipeline?

[Buzzsaw]

16 minutes ago, Enceladus said:

Are you able to say how many planes — in terms of few, several and many — are in Beta and how many are still in the pipeline?

Nope.  ?

[Enceladus828]

Shame on Fulqrum!  ?

 

If it was stated that some planes are in Beta, while the rest are in the pipeline then that wouldn’t say what planes exactly nor their types and it would give us a rough idea where aircraft development of TF 6.0 is at. We do know that at least 1 plane, not the Fw-190, is in Beta as of early 2022

[Blitzen]

Any new images of the development of the new "Butcher Bird " that you can share ?This one and only dates back to June...?