Ship formations?

[Papagon2]

Hello, just wondering if the Formation MCU works for Ships? 

 

I can target the ships but cant see any indication's that they than are grouped or in formation at the Advanced propperties menu.

 

PS. Searched for "Il-2 sturmovik ship formation" didnt find any on google. On @JimTM's guide "Ship" and "Formation" was no standing about ships.

 

Regards. ?

[Gambit21]

Don't use the Formation MCU with ships, it works...sort of...but not really as you'll start running into problems.

Give each vessel it's own set of waypoints.

 

 

[Papagon2]

Thanks for confirmation!

 

I know this is not related.

 

on picture why do the description end up in the mission name?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

11 hours ago, Papagon2 said:

on picture why do the description end up in the mission name?

Something apparently went wrong with storing the text. Did you edit the localization .txt files yourself using a text editor?

 

Otherwise, do you have any strange characters in the text? That could potentially also screw up the mission description.

[jollyjack]

15 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Don't use the Formation MCU with ships, it works...sort of...but not really as you'll start running into problems.

Give each vessel it's own set of waypoints.

 

Icky Atlas made some groups that work, i used them a few times. An adapted version for 7 ships; 7x Russian destoyer convoy.zip

[Gambit21]

ANYWAY - OP yes you can get simple functionality with formation logic, it works until it doesn’t. Much better to give each vessel it’s own waypoints, and then you can script/fine tune/modify the behavior of each and basically get exactly what you want, and updates are not likely to break it.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

56 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Oh - thank you so much Jack! Thank you for giving a link so that I can figure out how editor logic works. You mean there’s a formation MCU? 
 

Wow…once I figure this out thanks to you and Ickly, maybe I’ll be able to build an entire mission one day with ships! Then once I get good enough and dedicate enough time endlessly testing, maybe I can build an entire campaign!

Oh…if only I could learn how this works. I could build complex missions with ship convoys, engaged in complex evasive maneuvers etc, and then if you help me out enough with links, maybe I could build an A-20 interdiction campaign where you as the player attack ships, protect ships, and I’d be able to script their behavior and get just what I need from them…all thanks to you and your links!

Wow…formation groups! Who would have guessed? Then I wouldn’t waste time giving ships their own waypoints ever.

 

If only I would have thought of building and testing ship logic groups on my own years ago - I’d have at least one campaign done if not 2.

You’re just a virtual treasure trove of helpful advice as ever Jack - thank you!

 

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I see where you're coming from Gambit, but please give the man a break, he's only trying to help.

 

We all know there's little secrets left for you regarding mission design, but there are also other people reading these forums who are less well versed and may end up here through google or the forum's own search function. I think Jollyjack didn't mean it as a reply to your post to tell you how you should implement things, but rather meant to expand on it and help explain to other people what exactly you're talking about. If someone is looking for an example of how you can implement ship formations, the ones by Icky he linked may be useful.

[BladeMeister]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

Oh - thank you so much Jack! Thank you for giving a link so that I can figure out how editor logic works. You mean there’s a formation MCU? 
 

Wow…once I figure this out thanks to you and Ickly, maybe I’ll be able to build an entire mission one day with ships! Then once I get good enough and dedicate enough time endlessly testing, maybe I can build an entire campaign!

Oh…if only I could learn how this works. I could build complex missions with ship convoys, engaged in complex evasive maneuvers etc, and then if you help me out enough with links, maybe I could build an A-20 interdiction campaign where you as the player attack ships, protect ships, and I’d be able to script their behavior and get just what I need from them…all thanks to you and your links!

Wow…formation groups! Who would have guessed? Then I wouldn’t waste time giving ships their own waypoints ever.

 

If only I would have thought of building and testing ship logic groups on my own years ago - I’d have at least one campaign done if not 2.

You’re just a virtual treasure trove of helpful advice as ever Jack - thank you!

 

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Now that was a massive waste of time. Get back to building missions and Campaigns and stop this Tomfoolery!

 

S!Blade<><

[No_85_Gramps]

There is an old thread around here somewhere regarding ship formations. The problems was/is that the ships do not move at the same speed you set via the waypoints. I sorry I can't remember who it was but there was a post about the speed issue. I think I still have a sticky-note around here with some info on the speeds. I'll have to look around and see if I can find it.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

9 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Yeah, he tried to ‘help’ when he took me to task publicly on Havoc missions being too long, and more recently tried to “help” by again taking me to task publicly regarding Hell Hawks sound files being edited incorrectly. Going so far as to post his Audacity settings, when there was no problem with the campaign or my sound file editing.

So this “help” makes more work for me having to go in inane circles publicly about a “problem” that exists only between said person’s ears. 
 

What I’m saying is, that wasn’t an isolated response to an isolated behavior event.

And all of this would be relevant if it was a post on one of your campaigns' threads. But it isn't. He links a relevant file that serves as an example of what you speak of, as well as being an easy way to make a ship formation yourself by importing a .group file. The OP asks how to implement ship formations, Jollyjack provides an example.

 

Even though he quotes you, I don't think his post was directed *at* you. There's really no need to make this a personal vendetta

[LukeFF]

The temperature's getting a little too warm in here, guys. ? Let's watch it, please.

[jollyjack]

Oops, well sorry for my stupidity for that matter ..  i just extended my ignore list from 4 to 5, just to avoid anymore erroneous (?) posts.