Update 5.102 Discussion thread

[the_emperor]

29 minutes ago, Hanu said:

But then again, almost all german fighters has 100kg Hermann Göring as a pilot according to luascripts as (most) other planes have no pilot weight added at all.

The Germans used 100kg for the pilot, the soviets 80kg, and the brits 215lbs when calculating aircraft weight.

so all more or less the same

Edited April 29, 2023 by the_emperor

[Hanu]

12 minutes ago, the_emperor said:

The Germans used 100kg for the pilot, the soviets 80kg, and the brits 215lbs when calculating aircraft weight.

so all more or less the same

Ok fine, that is historically interesting nuance about the practice they've used, however irrelevant to this sim's calculations as those weights are added only to some planes.

 

But on the more important note, like ITAF_Rani asked in 7th post, it would be nice to have more info about:
9. Bf 109 family FM corrected - the bug that reduced their listed climb rates a bit has been fixed

[Jaegermeister]

4 hours ago, I./JG1_Baron said:

 

I read. The problem is that if you fly according to Waypoints, Fokkers will shoot down the balloon before you get there. If you do not fly by WP, you can shoot down even everything on the map, the mission is unsuccessful. Tested several times.

 

The mission can be completed, but it is important to note that some people are flying it in a way that makes it incomplete.

 

The corrections will be made, so no worries.

 

Edited April 30, 2023 by Jaegermeister

[the_emperor]

9 hours ago, Hanu said:

irrelevant to this sim's calculations as those weights are added only to some planes.

Some planes miss the extra weight for the pilot?

[Luger1969]

Congrats devs. These 2 will be on my wishlist. The Siemens is very very tempting. Now for the IAR.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

So any more calendars? why don't you release one with at least 3 months on the dang things?

[Wardog5711]

I'll pass that on to Ded-Rapidus.
He works up the Calendars.

 

[Cheyenne]

Since I am new here, that's great, however where do I download the update

Since I am new here, that's great, however where do I download the update

[BMA_FlyingShark]

4 minutes ago, Cheyenne said:

Since I am new here, that's great, however where do I download the update

Since I am new here, that's great, however where do I download the update

You just double click the launcher and the game will update itself.

You just double click the launcher and the game will update itself.

 

Have a nice day.

Have a nice day.

 

[Cheyenne]

Thank You FlyingShark, had the wrong Icon for starting IL 2, now I put the lancher as the start Icon

[BMA_FlyingShark]

7 minutes ago, Cheyenne said:

Thank You FlyingShark, had the wrong Icon for starting IL 2, now I put the lancher as the start Icon

You're welcome.
And don't forget, after updating, login online at least once at start-up, otherwise your game won't work.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[LF_Mark_Krieger]

On 4/26/2023 at 3:28 PM, Jaegermeister said:

 

Edit... The skins are in the game, but they are not all set up to select them from the official skins list. Per Sneaksie in the post below, they are split between the official and custom skins tab due to a limit on the number of official skins on the list.

 

That means you don't need to keep them in your data/graphics/skins file for the P51D-15

 

 

Thank you! Anyway I'm a bit of a historical skins collector And I like to have them all so I can use them in multiplayer missions, too. Anyway, it's good to know!

Edited May 5, 2023 by LF_Mark_Krieger

[Gambit21]

That SSW is a very nice piece of work. 

Thank you again team for continuing  to build the WWI assets library - and  thank you @Jaegermeister for continuing to add to the single player content library. Combined I think this is one of the best things going in combat flight sims. Good on all of you.
 

Float plate pack please.

 

 

[Sonko]

Anyone else can't reach anything close to 570 kph on the deck in the 109 G6 AS as stated in the manual? Mine's stuck somewhere at 530 kph with MW50 and rads closed to 10 %.

 

475 kph on the deck at 83 % throttle. The G6 late does 500 kph at the same power setting and 560 kph with MW50. Bodenplatte map.

 

Cheers

Sonko

Edited May 5, 2023 by Sonko

[2./SG2_assadoc]

1 hour ago, Sonko said:

Anyone else can't reach anything close to 570 kph on the deck in the 109 G6 AS as stated in the manual?

 

Autumn map?

[Sonko]

Nah, summer map.

 

As comparison on the Kuban Spring map, 25 m above the sea:

 

G6 late:

517 kph at 83 % throttle, 10 % radiator

575 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 7 %

 

G6 AS:

509 kph at 83 % throttle, 10 % radiator

517 kph at 100 % throttle, 10 % radiator

 

G6 ASM:

501 kph at 83 % throttle, 10 % radiator

533 kph at 100 % throttle, 10 % radiator

553 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 7 %

 

While in this test the G6 late is slightly better than the ingame values suggest, the G6 ASM dosen't quite meet those values on the deck.

501 kph is pretty close to the 505 kph of the ingame description of the G6 ASM so I'm fine with that but 553 kph vs 570 kph as stated ingame seems a little too far off to me so I think there might be an error somewhere.

 

Another quick test, Bodenplatte winter map, 25 m above the sea:

 

G6 late:

610 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 4 %

 

G6 ASM:

581 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 4 %

 

Those two aircraft should reach roughly the same speed but there is a difference of 30 kph on the winter map and 20 kph on the summer map.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Sonko
values updated

[2./SG2_assadoc]

5 hours ago, Sonko said:

Nah, summer map.

 

As comparison on the Kuban Spring map, 25 m above the sea:

 

G6 late:

517 kph at 83 % throttle, 10 % radiator

575 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 7 %

 

G6 ASM:

499 kph at 83 % throttle, 10 % radiator

548 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 7 %

 

While in this test the G6 late is slightly better than the ingame values suggest, the G6 ASM dosen't quite meet those values on the deck.

499 kph is pretty close to the 505 kph of the ingame description of the G6 ASM so I'm fine with that but 548 kph vs 570 kph as stated ingame seems a little too far off to me so I think there might be an error somewhere.

it seems you have installed ASM mod but without MW50 mod.
ASM goes 560 and boils, ASM with MW50 goes 570 and has lower temperatures.

[Sonko]

I've just updated my measured speed values, added values for the ASM engine without MW50 injection and for the Bodenplatte winter map.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Sonko

[III/JG2Gustav05]

On 4/27/2023 at 2:55 PM, Roland_HUNter said:

Do you have any info about, why the G-6/AS has worse climbing ability than other 109s?
AS:

17.3 m/s Sea

16.2 m/s 3k

12.1 m/s 6k

G-6 Late.

20.6 m/s Sea

18.3 m/s 3k

14.1 m/s 6k

This number is for 2600RPM and No MW50. That makes sense considering G6AS is heavier than G6.

[Thecanberran1981]

I’m not sure if this post is in the right area of the forum, but may I please ask if there is any chance of the team developing the Yak 3, the LA7 , the p63 king cobra , I al

veey thankful for the TA152 news for 2024, thank you thank you, but any hope in seeing these other planes or maybe even the D12 or the Yak3u radial, or the BV-155 high altitude interceptor  ? The YAK 3 or the 3u would be my most desired aircraft of the lot

Edited May 16, 2023 by Thecanberran1981

[Roland_HUNter]

12 hours ago, III/JG2Gustav05 said:

This number is for 2600RPM and No MW50. That makes sense considering G6AS is heavier than G6.

Only 39kg heavier with MW-50 than a G-14.

I think the different type of propeller and engine may be behind this, + the enlarged oil tube.

On 5/6/2023 at 3:47 PM, Sonko said:

Nah, summer map.

 

As comparison on the Kuban Spring map, 25 m above the sea:

 

G6 late:

517 kph at 83 % throttle, 10 % radiator

575 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 7 %

 

G6 AS:

509 kph at 83 % throttle, 10 % radiator

517 kph at 100 % throttle, 10 % radiator

 

G6 ASM:

501 kph at 83 % throttle, 10 % radiator

533 kph at 100 % throttle, 10 % radiator

553 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 7 %

 

While in this test the G6 late is slightly better than the ingame values suggest, the G6 ASM dosen't quite meet those values on the deck.

501 kph is pretty close to the 505 kph of the ingame description of the G6 ASM so I'm fine with that but 553 kph vs 570 kph as stated ingame seems a little too far off to me so I think there might be an error somewhere.

 

Another quick test, Bodenplatte winter map, 25 m above the sea:

 

G6 late:

610 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 4 %

 

G6 ASM:

581 kph at 100 % throttle, MW50, radiator at 4 %

 

Those two aircraft should reach roughly the same speed but there is a difference of 30 kph on the winter map and 20 kph on the summer map.

On Stalingrad 1942 summer:
Stab: 100%
Radiator 7%

562 km/h.

With rad closed:
567 Km/h.

[Sonko]

On 5/16/2023 at 3:01 PM, Roland_HUNter said:

 

On Stalingrad 1942 summer:
Stab: 100%
Radiator 7%

562 km/h.

With rad closed:
567 Km/h.

Just curious, did you try the G6 late too as comparison?

[Roland_HUNter]

7 hours ago, Sonko said:

Just curious, did you try the G6 late too as comparison?

G-6 Late
On Stalingrad 1942 summer:
Stab: 100%
Radiator 7%

565 km/h

Man prop pitch: 2700 RPM
567 km/h.

 

With rad closed:
570 Km/h.

Man prop pitch: 2700 RPM
572-573 km/h.

[Sonko]

Alright I can confirm your values now, even the G6AS reaches 570 kph on the deck just like the G6 late does. I have no idea why it didn't reach that speed in the first place, I blame it on error 50 lol

[JG4_Moltke1871]

On 4/25/2023 at 8:56 PM, LukeFF said:

It's available from the late summer 1918.

Can you have a look at the SSW Squadrons? All squads (for example Jasta 14) give me the message „Sqd will be removed from the frontline, you finish your career if enter. But the Squad is still on the front for months, same on different other squads have the SSW. Only Jasta 15 can join but the plane isn’t available after join the squad. So far I can’t play the Simens Schuckert in career mode ?

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

Can you have a look at the SSW Squadrons? All squads (for example Jasta 14) give me the message „Sqd will be removed from the frontline, you finish your career if enter. But the Squad is still on the front for months, same on different other squads have the SSW. Only Jasta 15 can join but the plane isn’t available after join the squad. So far I can’t play the Simens Schuckert in career mode ?

 

Okay, I'll pass along the report. Thanks!

[Voxman]

Haven't flown in years, but have returned to the game and resumed a career from many years back.  Enjoyed all the new updates and work done on the sim, good work, but have noticed one issue regarding AI ( and there's many other issues, but that 's a separate thread):

AI pilots priorities updated: now they will try to retain their bombs and rockets and will jettison them in combat only if they have an enemy on their six that is opening fire;

 

When attacking a bomber stream, say a stack four high of a bomber formation, the first bomber I hit with fire will drop it's bomb along with the two others on it's wings, and then will peel off running for home, if they haven't been destroyed.   I believe this is bad AI behaviour as I'll come around on the other groups, and will pick off the lead A/C and basically stop all the bombers reaching their targets and dropping their bombs on targets, by simply coming up behind them and firing a few hits.

 

Maybe an adjustment would be needed to the AI, and exempt the bombers from dropping their payloads when enemy is firing on their six.  This behaviour would be more effective on the Jabos.

 

Otherwise, keep up the good work.