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Hello,

 

I'm new to the game (Battle of Normandy), but I had a question -  

 

Why, when I select a quick mission using an allied plane, am I seeing anti-aircraft guns and German trucks on the south coast of England? (i.e. guns on Thorney Island, showing up in red)

 

This doesn't strike me as being very historically correct, unless I'm missing something?

 

Please can someone explain? Thanks!

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They were captured when germans abandonned their bridgehead in 42.

 

More seriously, historical accuracy is not quick missions' thing, career is slightly better (your squadron has the right plane, in the right place, at the right date, with a plausible paintjob and the right letter codes, but missions are gamey), scripted campaigns can be much more. 

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You are also able to select russian airplanes, or fight vs MC202 over England and so on...

AQM is more historica type of fast action on same area where you select QM.

 

Your not first one to ask this since BoN was made, but its funny to me how all thouse years before when we could fly P-38J over Kuban in QM no one found it strange, but when german units are on england soil its questionable ?

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Little historical tidbits lost to history - that’s all. Similarly the Japanese had a secret airbase in Pomona Ca.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Little historical tidbits lost to history - that’s all. Similarly the Japanese had a secret airbase in Pomona Ca.

@Gambit21You should never had said that. It's still classified, you may not be around tomorrow. 

 

And that's all I'm aloud to say about that.  :ph34r:

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Should I mention the Ki61 that is in my crawl space?

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3 hours ago, Ghost666 said:

@Gambit21You should never had said that. It's still classified, you may not be around tomorrow. 

 

And that's all I'm aloud to say about that.  :ph34r:

Too late. You already said it allowed for all to hear.

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To be honest, the south coast of England has lots of other inaccuracies (e.g. the railway stations in Dover are missing, the cargo docks for the Isle of Wight are in the wrong town etc.)

 

It'd be really great if they partnered with a 3rd party to fix these things - maybe even created a four or six plane pack and extended the Channel map to 1942-1943 in order to monetize the improvements? Add seasons? I'd enjoy a Mustang Mk.I and an AI Do-217E-4...

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36 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

To be honest, the south coast of England has lots of other inaccuracies (e.g. the railway stations in Dover are missing, the cargo docks for the Isle of Wight are in the wrong town etc.)

 

It'd be really great if they partnered with a 3rd party to fix these things - maybe even created a four or six plane pack and extended the Channel map to 1942-1943 in order to monetize the improvements? Add seasons? I'd enjoy a Mustang Mk.I and an AI Do-217E-4...

Mid war channel pack is my #1 wishlist item now that they've announced they're going to do smaller third party projects. Give Pat some more goodies for PWCG Western Front, flesh that out a bit and suddenly you've hugely expanded the amount of content the game has to offer.

 

I would also do horrible, horrible things to fly a P-51A in this sim. I think people will be very surprised when they go up against the "Bad Mustang" at low altitudes where it was an absolute bat out of hell by 1942 standards, and with optional 4 20mm cannons to boot! She'll be a riot.

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On 2/17/2023 at 9:21 AM, tombud10 said:

Hello,

 

I'm new to the game (Battle of Normandy), but I had a question -  

 

Why, when I select a quick mission using an allied plane, am I seeing anti-aircraft guns and German trucks on the south coast of England? (i.e. guns on Thorney Island, showing up in red)

 

This doesn't strike me as being very historically correct, unless I'm missing something?

 

Please can someone explain? Thanks!

All BS aside, when you select Quick Mission there is a menu for targets at the bottom of the screen.  If you have any of those checked the sim will provide enemy targets near the airfield you taking off from so you have targets for practice shooting (or bombing).

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On 2/17/2023 at 10:54 PM, Mtnbiker1998 said:

I would also do horrible, horrible things to fly a P-51A in this sim. I think people will be very surprised when they go up against the "Bad Mustang" at low altitudes where it was an absolute bat out of hell by 1942 standards, and with optional 4 20mm cannons to boot! She'll be a riot.

 

And then you would get the P-51 airframe with the exact same engine specifications we already have in the P-40. Run a few missions against the Bf109 E7 and see how that goes for you... I wish the P40 was more competitive but it is what it is.

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I'm thinking that the Allison engines in the P51A that the RAF operated would be able to run at 56 inches of manifold, and not the peacetime training settings that the devs arbitrarily chose for the lend lease P40E.  Would need to see the RAF Pilot's Operating Manual for the Mustang to be sure though.

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9 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

And then you would get the P-51 airframe with the exact same engine specifications we already have in the P-40. Run a few missions against the Bf109 E7 and see how that goes for you... I wish the P40 was more competitive but it is what it is.

Sadly you're probably right, not even P-51 aerodynamics can make up for those engine timers...

 

Well, at least it would still be a fun ground attack platform.

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1 hour ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Sadly you're probably right, not even P-51 aerodynamics can make up for those engine timers...

 

Well, at least it would still be a fun ground attack platform.

 

Sadly, I'm wrong. 

 

The P-51A had the V-1710-81 engine instead of the -39 so you would get an additional 200 horsepower at the same manifold pressures. On the other hand, it becomes clear where the 5 minute timer came from when you read the flight manual.

 

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1 hour ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

Sadly, I'm wrong. 

 

The P-51A had the V-1710-81 engine instead of the -39 so you would get an additional 200 horsepower at the same manifold pressures. On the other hand, it becomes clear where the 5 minute timer came from when you read the flight manual.

200 more HP for 5x as long as the P-40? Hey I'll take it. 

 

P-51A is back to the top of my GB wishlist!

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There's a war time memo floating around somewhere, and I think already posted here a few years ago, about Allison increasing the "war time" manual to 56" at 3000rpm for the P40E with the 1710-39. I'll see if I can find it. 

 

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So, by December of '42, the P40E-1 was rated at 56" at 3000 rpm, and shortly after, 66" at 3000rpm. Might be something the devs take a gander at. 

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