AI climbing oddities

[greybeard_52]

Too often I happen to observe anomalies in the climb of the AI: P-47 with two 1000 lb bombs which, in an attempt to follow the leader (also AI) stall and capsize, Yaks which, in the same situation, climb with flaps fully extended... Only the AI formation leader seems to have no problems, but there is something wrong with the speed and angle of climb he imposes on the others. I myself, as a wingman, find myself in difficulty.

[Knarley-Bob]

Happens with the German 110's too

[LukeFF]

Need track files.

[Knarley-Bob]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Need track files.

Wasn't recording flight............

[Knarley-Bob]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Need track files.

Perhaps putting a "Sticky" up explaining how to get the information you need would be helpfull?

[greybeard_52]

14 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Need track files.

This is a misdirection. Start any career (not as a squadron leader) and see how the AI and yourself (if you're being honest) trudge and porpoise while climbing behind the formation leader...

[LukeFF]

10 hours ago, greybeard_52 said:

This is a misdirection. Start any career (not as a squadron leader) and see how the AI and yourself (if you're being honest) trudge and porpoise while climbing behind the formation leader...

 

It's not a misdirection at all. If you want the developers to look at the issue without having to waste time trying to reproduce it themselves, hit the Record function when you start to see it happen and then upload the track here. That's what's known as a Way to Repeat an issue. It's a very standard procedure in computer software development.

[greybeard_52]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

It's a very standard procedure in computer software development.

Please do it on your own; you're a tester... Just test!

[Knarley-Bob]

4 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It's not a misdirection at all. If you want the developers to look at the issue without having to waste time trying to reproduce it themselves, hit the Record function when you start to see it happen and then upload the track here. That's what's known as a Way to Repeat an issue. It's a very standard procedure in computer software development.

If it's soooooooo standard, you would have them coming out of your ears! Seeing has how no one posts them, they must be difficult to obtain.

I have asked for info, but it is never forth coming. Perhaps just an urban legend?

Edited January 27, 2023 by Knarley-Bob

[Yogiflight]

Posted December 30, 2022

Brief description:

AI in BF 110 E2 career tries to climb with 50% power

 

Detailed description:

I don't know, if it is the same bug, the bombers had, but the AI wingmen in the Moscow career, flying the Bf 110 E2 try to climb with about 50% power after takeoff, which results in a speed less than 200km/h and a very high AOA. This still happens in career mode, while in PWCG, which had the same issue before the last update, the issue is gone since the update. This happens in bombing missions, only. The flightleader reduces his speed after reaching the mission altitude to 250km/h and after some time fly a circle and then back to the missing wingmen.

I would like to add, that a speed of 250km/h for waiting for missing wingmen is too low. 300km/h would be more resonable, in my opinion.

 

 

I already reported this issue. -DED-Rapidus knows about it.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Yogiflight

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, greybeard_52 said:

Please do it on your own; you're a tester... Just test!

 

If I tested every complaint that's posted here to see if it's actually an issue, then I would have no time for anything else in my free time.

 

Seriously, it's not hard - when you see the problem:

 

1. Press Record

2. Create a message here detailing the problem

3. Attach the track file

 

It's really not that difficult. You're just as capable as anyone else here of doing that.

1 hour ago, Knarley-Bob said:

If it's soooooooo standard, you would have them coming out of your ears! Seeing has how no one posts them, they must be difficult to obtain.

I have asked for info, but it is never forth coming. Perhaps just an urban legend?

 

Oh I dunno - I wrote a whole section about recording tracks that's available in the manual here for download. Have you looked at that recently or searched old threads discussing the topic?

[Knarley-Bob]

And where does one find the "Track File"?

[KevPBur]

2 hours ago, greybeard_52 said:

Please do it on your own; you're a tester... Just test!

 

I am not in the game industry but I am a software developer.

Replies like that get you put at the very back of the support queue generally in the bin marked "no chance".

If you would like some help in resolving a perceived issue you have then perhaps meeting those that may help you part way would go a very long way to helping you get the resolution that you would like.

At best a developer or tester may start a mission and possibly see that everything is fine and move on to the next thing on their very long list of things to do today.

With a track or a mission with the error to load they get quickly get to see the issue and will likely attempt to resolve it or add it to the working list of known issues for a future update.

 

In the sticky posts at the top of this forum it explains the format and information that is required by the dev team to resolve issues. It really is very easy to obtain. If you are unable to do so, other community members are usually happy to help.

The devs have also requested that issues are not posted multiple times.

 

This very issue has already been posted as shown by @Yogiflight who also included the requested mission files in the original . Several others have also posted supporting evidence and I believe the devs have accepted the request. It would appear you may have a further aircraft/loadout combination that is causing an issue so your supporting evidence will likely be useful to the dev team if you wish to help see a resolution.

 

 

[Knarley-Bob]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

 

 

Oh I dunno - I wrote a whole section about recording tracks that's available in the manual here for download. Have you looked at that recently or searched old threads discussing the topic?

Well,

Now we are getting somewhere! All one had to do is to direct me to where the information was. I've asked how many times? Good grief............

 

There are only 21 stickies to choose from, I suppose asking for it to be narrowed down a bit would be unreasonable? 

EDIT:

On second thought, don't bother. I'm not going to either.

( As hats fill the air)

Edited January 27, 2023 by Knarley-Bob

[-DED-Rapidus]

2 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

I already reported this issue. -DED-Rapidus knows about it.

Yes, there is such a task, we will fix it.

[greybeard_52]

15 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

we will fix it.

 

 

[Maddin]

On 1/28/2023 at 1:27 AM, -DED-Rapidus said:

Yes, there is such a task, we will fix it.

 

Isn't this the bug which should already be fixed with 5.004?

 

Quote

7.    AI pilots correctly climb while maintaining formation;

 

I know there was already a thread opened long time ago targeting particulary AI bombers which were stalling during climb and leaving formation. Can't find it right now.

So did the bug return? I was very disappointed as i couldn't finish a bomber escort mission yesterday as the HE111 were flying circles and not holding formation.

Now i have to further wait for a fix as continuing the career isn't possible (beside skiping all escort missions). Hope the patch will come soon. ?

 

EDIT: found the thread. And also there some guys still got problems with climbing bombers. So the bug doesn't seem fixed 100%. But when devs are on it, i will wait patiently.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2023 by Maddin