NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti

[LVA_Picard]

I was thinking to buy a new Gpu in the near future .

 

Using fore flight sim the VR set Reverb G2 in combination with the RTX 3060 TI 

 

I get ok results but fore better performance i want to switch to the 4070TI .

 

Why not the 4080 ? 

Because of the price and bigger power consumption .

 

Already people with this type of card ? 

 

I realize that right now the card is overpriced so i wait at least 3 months to see what happens.

 

Il2 is also very cpu demanding but i cant buy a new pc right now .

 

Simply not having inough euro"s haha 

 

Salute 

 

Robin

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by LVA_Picard
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[1Sascha]

Just a couple of observations:

 

- The 3060 Ti seems a bit on the weak side for a Reverb G2. Actually, I'd say it's definitely too weak for the G2. I'm using a 3070 (non Ti) with a Rift-S and that combo is barely "adequate" for IL-2. And the G2 is pushing quite a lot more pixels than the Rift-S.

 

- The 4070 Ti (like all available 40xx cards) is ludicrously overpriced IMO.

That said: It should give you a significant performance boost. According to TechPowerup's relative ranking:

 

4090 = 152%

4080 = 122%

3090 Ti = 105%

4070 Ti = 100%

3090     = 97%   

3070 Ti = 71%

3070     = 66%

3060 Ti = 56%

 

 

 

IMO it looks like a good card, it's just priced 1.5 to 2 classes above of where it should be.

 

Personally, I would not buy right now.

 

1. The mid/high mid range cards like the 4060, 4060 Ti and 4070 haven't been launched yet, and once they do, prices might change a bit. Note: The latest leaks re the 4060 Ti don't seem to suggest that these will be as incredible as some folks had hoped for. IIRC, the 4060 Ti is expected to deliver (roughly) 3070/3070 Ti levels of performance.

 

2. None of the launched 40xx-cards (except for maybe the 4090) seem to be selling like hot cakes ATM. Mostly because Nvidia's prices are, let's say, overly ambitious. If people continue to vote with their wallets and continue to NOT buy these things at ludicrous prices, Nvidia *might* come to their senses and correct their MSRPs.

 

3. AMD are hardly an alternative right now. They seem to have decided to follow Nvidia's pricing scheme, so they're not really offering any bargains. Plus there seem to be problems with the reference cards' coolers. All of which would make me reluctant to go through the trouble of switching my system from Team Green to Team Red. Plus there's the lack or raytracing performance with AMD cards, if that sort of thing is important to you.

 

 

[Oboe]

@Sascha - thank you for posting that relative performance list for graphics cards.  Any idea why the 3080 and 3080 Ti were not included?  If I had to guess, I would put the 3080 at 80% and the 3080 Ti at 90%, but that is just my educated guess.

 

I was able to get a 3080 10GB from the eVGA waitlist at MSRP near the end of the disastrous GPU drought caused by supply chain woes and bitcoin mining demand.   While I agree high-end GPUs are currently too expensive, it seems to me the 4070 Ti would handily outperform my 3080, while costing less than what I paid a year ago, so at least things have moved in the right direction.   It's not worth upgrading from a 3080 IMO, but if I had a 3060Ti I would seriously consider upgrading.

 

One other question - do either IL-2 or DCS use raytracing?   So if those are the only games I play, there is no reason to consider raytracing performance vs AMD GPUs?

 

One other factor against AMD GPUs involves the Varjo Aero VR headset.  It is my understanding the Varjo software requires nVidia and is not compatible with AMD cards.   I'm not sure why, but that is a disappointment to me, as I aspire some day to own an Aero.

    

 

 

[TheSNAFU]

IL2 does not have ray tracing. 
 

I read some reviews of the 4070ti and while it does perform well in many circumstances, even besting the 3090 ti in some, it has some memory issues that cause it not to perform as well in vr so those interested may want to check into that before buying. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by TheSNAFU

[sevenless]

4 hours ago, 1Sascha said:

 

- The 4070 Ti (like all available 40xx cards) is ludicrously overpriced IMO.

That said: It should give you a significant performance boost. According to TechPowerup's relative ranking:

 

 

Overpriced? I don´t think so. You basically get 3090 TI performance for 900-1.000 EUR. Remember what the price for 3090s was 12 months ago?

 

rtx 4070 ti Geizhals Österreich

[kissTheSky]

For what it’s worth, here’s a viewpoint from iRacing forum. Be mindful, the poster has come from a 3070. He’s on Quest 2, I kept his system specs for sake of comparison.
 

 

[LVA_Picard]

Cheers guys thanks fore the responses . Its true the 3060ti does perform not very high 

 

Stil the card is doing 60 fps on 90%general and 120% supersampling  and highest settings ingame 2xaa

 

Shadows on high and clouds on medium .

 

 

Not that bad 

[WheelwrightPL]

6 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Overpriced? I don´t think so. You basically get 3090 TI performance for 900-1.000 EUR. Remember what the price for 3090s was 12 months ago?

 

rtx 4070 ti Geizhals Österreich

 

You only get 3090 Ti performance in ray traced games, though. I just upgraded from 2080 Ti to 4070 Ti, and saw no difference in performance in BeamNG, so I kindof regret my decision. I also saw no obvious difference in IL-2, but it might have been caused by the clouds which are supposedly CPU-intensive, so I cannot say for sure.

 

[sevenless]

11 minutes ago, WheelwrightPL said:

 

You only get 3090 Ti performance in ray traced games, though. I just upgraded from 2080 Ti to 4070 Ti, and saw no difference in performance in BeamNG, so I kindof regret my decision. I also saw no obvious difference in IL-2, but it might have been caused by the clouds which are supposedly CPU-intensive, so I cannot say for sure.

 

 

Thanks to chiliwili69 we have a database specifically about performance of different combos in Il2-GB. Look here:

 

Would be cool if you can contribute?

 

Quote

 

I will compile all collected info and will update it in the below spreadsheet, in SYN_Vander tab:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJmnz_nVxI6_dG_UYNCCpZVK2-f8NBy-y1gia77Hu_k

 

 

original thread here:

 

 

Edited January 22, 2023 by sevenless

[1Sascha]

17 hours ago, Oboe said:

Any idea why the 3080 and 3080 Ti were not included? 

Because I failed to include it. The list, as on their page, was formatted a bit too small to get all the cards in that I wanted to quote, so I simply typed it in here instead of posting a screenshot.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4070-ti.c3950

 

3080 = 86%

3080 Ti = 96%

 

 

15 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

IL2 does not have ray tracing. 

 

There *are* other games besides IL-2 - hence my "if that sort of thing is important to you"-remark. Plus it *is* an undeniable advantage Nvidia have over AMD ATM, so it should be mentioned.

 

 

15 hours ago, sevenless said:

Overpriced? I don´t think so. You basically get 3090 TI performance for 900-1.000 EUR.

 

Well, that sounds a bit like the battered house-wife telling her friends that her husband "isn't all that bad" because he only ever hits her with an open hand and hasn't kicked her in the stomach once.

 

For example: RTX 3070 gave you the performance of the previous gen's top tier card (2080 Ti):

 

... at $499 MSRP. 2080 Ti's MSRP was $999.

 

... whereas the 4070 Ti:

 

 

It's actually slightly less powerful than the 3090 Ti and costs $799 MSRP. Note that board-partner cards will have a higher MSRP than that, but even if we stick with Nvidia's MSRP, it's pretty clear what Nvidia are doing.

 

 

Trying to whitewash any of this by selectively comparing card generations is all well and good if that's your thing and you don't mind these price-hikes ... but it doesn't make Nvidia's decisions any less greedy or baffling. Of course the new cards will give *some* uplift (otherwise, why bother launching a new gen?), but 40xx's uplift so far is either underwhelming as is and/or at least vastly over-priced (4090, 4080).

All the leaks concerning 4070 and 4060 Ti that I've come across so far do suggest that those will be both ... underwhelming in uplift (~20% compared to 30xx) and probably overpriced for their class.

 

But don't take my word for it:

 

 

 

 

Linus' summary of the 4070 Ti:

Quote

It's a good product at a bad price - from a company that fails more and more to hide its ugly nature.

 

 

S.

Edited January 22, 2023 by 1Sascha

[newbravado]

I'm still using my old trusty 2070 Super. Works great.

[1Sascha]

1 hour ago, newbravado said:

I'm still using my old trusty 2070 Super. Works great.

Good card. Only sold mine on and went 3070 because I'd gone VR after I bought it. Well, that and the fact that I'd bought the 2070S very cheap from a buddy, actually made a bit of a profit when I sold it on and got a *decent* deal plus €20 cash-back on the 3070. If it hadn't been for VR, I'd probably still be on the 2070S ... and I'd probably still sit out 40xx. 

 

My original plan was to wait until around now, sell the 3070 for a half-way decent price and go 4070 or 4070 Ti. Because, idiot that I am and with the end of the mining BS, I was expecting a generational uplift comparable to what we always got in the past - meaning I was hoping to get 3090/3080 Ti performance from the 4070/Ti for around 600 to 650.

 

Alas...

 

 

S.

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, 1Sascha said:

- meaning I was hoping to get 3090/3080 Ti performance from the 4070/Ti for around 600 to 650.

 

Good strategy, but I guess you need to wait a few months until prices come down. AFAIK at the moment 4070s sell like bricks and rightly so. Maybe in June or later we´ll see them priced at around 600-700 EUR. Don´t forget 3090s are still selling at around 1.300-1.800 EUR.

 

rtx 3090 ti Geizhals Österreich

 

rtx 3090 Geizhals Österreich

[1Sascha]

58 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Don´t forget 3090s are still selling at around 1.300-1.800 EUR.

Are they really though, I wonder ...

 

Who would buy those, considering 4070 Ti are available and offer only slightly less performance at a lower price? For example: I just checked Geizhals and there are only 10 offers for 3090 Tis on there and none of them are from what I would call "reputable dealers" (Alternate, Mindfactory, Case King, etc). It's all rather obscure stores and amazon marketplace offers. Not sure if we can call them scalpers, since if I had 1300 lying around, I sure as hell wouldn't be looking for a 3090 Ti. And if even *I* know that, whom are they going to scalp? ?

Plus: Four of those offers are for EVGA cards, starting at €2500 ? Guess that's a bit of a "collector's" thing (lol!), given the fact that EVGA pulled out of the GPU business.

 

Anyway: 4080 is available for around €1300 - which is still way too much for what's on offer, but if the choice is 4080 or 3090 Ti for the same sort of money, it really isn't much of a choice.

 

 

^ 2nd shot re-used from my other post... ignore the red markings. Point being:

4070 Ti = only slightly less powerful than 3090 Ti - current market price ~ €900

4080 = moderately more powerful than 3090 Ti - current market price ~ €1300

 

 

I think the major outlets are done selling 30xx, especially those cards that have a 40xx equivalent available already. 3060 Tis, 3070s, etc are still available at places like Saturn or Mindfactory, but I'm pretty sure that too will change once 4070 or 4060 Ti are released.

 

And that's pretty much what all this has been about: 30xx prices never went low, even during the run-up to the 40xx launch. Personal example: I paid 579 (minus €20 cash-back) for my GB 3070 Eagle OC back in August - and that's pretty much *still* the price level the 3070 is at today.

 

 

It's pretty well known that Nvidia made a bit of a blunder with an order they placed and were then stuck with components for 30xx series cards they overpaid for. So their goal was to sell off remaining 30xx stock at still inflated prices, which they did. Because, of course you hand off the cost of your own mistakes to the customer.

 

In the "before times", those cards would've been sold at discounted prices during the run-up to the 40xx launch. Not what happened this time around.

 

 

 

S.

 

Edited January 22, 2023 by 1Sascha

[TheSNAFU]

5 hours ago, 1Sascha said:

There *are* other games besides IL-2 - hence my "if that sort of thing is important to you"-remark. Plus it *is* an undeniable advantage Nvidia have over AMD ATM, so it should be mentioned.

Well thanks for that revelation! The question he asked was whether IL2 had ray tracing… 

[LVA_Picard]

With all these updates in mind i stick to my 3060TI fore at least 6 month's hopefully the prices are then around 700 euro ....

[WheelwrightPL]

21 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Thanks to chiliwili69 we have a database specifically about performance of different combos in Il2-GB. Look here:

 

Would be cool if you can contribute?

 

 

I updated the original thread with my 4070 Ti results. They were underwhelming.

[1Sascha]

17 hours ago, LVA_Picard said:

With all these updates in mind i stick to my 3060TI fore at least 6 month's hopefully the prices are then around 700 euro ....

Good call.

 

On 1/22/2023 at 1:05 AM, sevenless said:

Thanks to chiliwili69 we have a database specifically about performance of different combos in Il2-GB. Look here:

 

Oh, nice! I'd either forgotten or I never knew that spreadsheet existed...

 

I don't want to self-promote here,  but I *think* my results might be of interest for guys within the lower/mid range GPU bracket. I went from 1060 3GB to 2070 Super to 3070, all on the same system. Only upgrade I did to this PC was 2x8 to 4x8 GB of RAM, but that was after my last benchmark run and all my results were obtained on 2x8 GB of DDR4.

 

 

 

S.

Edited January 23, 2023 by 1Sascha

[sevenless]

8 hours ago, 1Sascha said:

Good call.

 

 

Oh, nice! I'd either forgotten or I never knew that spreadsheet existed...

 

I don't want to self-promote here,  but I *think* my results might be of interest for guys within the lower/mid range GPU bracket. I went from 1060 3GB to 2070 Super to 3070, all on the same system. Only upgrade I did to this PC was 2x8 to 4x8 GB of RAM, but that was after my last benchmark run and all my results were obtained on 2x8 GB of DDR4.

 

 

 

S.

 

Yes please run the benchmark. It helps everyone to make a concious buying decision. The more results we have, the merrier.

[1Sascha]

13 hours ago, sevenless said:

Yes please run the benchmark. It helps everyone to make a concious buying decision. The more results we have, the merrier.

Well, I did that already for all the three cards I had in this PC.

 

 

Only difference now is that I went from 2x8GB to 4x8 GB of DDR4 - but it's still 3600, CL18 RAM and all the synthetic benchmarks I ran after the upgrade only showed minor improvement (at best). But.. yeah ... I guess I'll run it again, if only for "completion's" sake...

 

S.

Edited January 24, 2023 by 1Sascha

[sevenless]

14 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

Well, I did that already for all the three cards I had in this PC.

 

 

 

Ugh! There is no dramatic difference between a 2070S and a 3070 in FPS? I wouldnt have expected that.

[Norz]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

 

Ugh! There is no dramatic difference between a 2070S and a 3070 in FPS? I wouldnt have expected that.

 

Not true. It is a CPU test, has nothing in common with a GPU test....To see the difference just use x4  Anti-Aliasing and x8  Anti-Aliasing.

 

3070 is really faster (about 20..25%?).

Edited January 24, 2023 by Norz

[sevenless]

39 minutes ago, Norz said:

 

Not true. It is a CPU test, has nothing in common with a GPU test....

 

Yeah but how do you explain his significantly lower results with the 1060 then? All hardware was identical, he only changed GFX cards? With the 2070S he is already in the CPU Limit at 1080p and he has no benfit from 3070 at 1080p? Only if he switches to higher resolutions he will feel the additional power of the 3070?

Edited January 24, 2023 by sevenless

[Norz]

27 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Yeah but how do you explain his significantly lower results with the 1060 then? All hardware was identical, he only changed GFX cards? With the 2070S he is already in the CPU Limit at 1080p and he has no benfit from 3070 at 1080p? Only if he switches to higher resolutions he will feel the additional power of the 3070?

 

1060 is so slow that the CPU test cannot show the relevant result. That is it.... Nothing more.

 

Just open a random recorded track and try to check a FPS with diff. Anti-Aliasing settings. I used 3070 just 1 week before and it is possible to play with Anti-Aliasing x4 (FHD settings with 100..144 FPS). I had 2070Super just before RTX 3070 and the diff. was clear to see (but if you use FHD without Anti-Aliasing, the FPS will be almost the same, 150..200)                     

 

I have tested amd rx 7900 xt and there it is possible to play almost with Anti-Aliasing x8 and to get 140..180 FPS).

[1Sascha]

26 minutes ago, Norz said:

1060 is so slow that the CPU test cannot show the relevant result.

Exactly... 1060 was seriously bottlenecking the PC/CPU - while the 2070S and 3070 weren't. Reason the performance between the two is similar here, is the nature of this specific test, I assume. Neither of the faster cards were really taxed all that much in this test, since it *is* meant as a CPU test.

 

When you look at my VR test results, the 3070 does perform better than the 2070 S. 42 avg FPS for the 2070 S, 53 for the 3070. Max FPS 81 for the 3070 (Rift-S runs at 80 Hz) and only 62 MAX for the 2070 S. So the 2070 S was never able reach the Rift-S' max framerate/Hz, while the 3070 did manage to do so.. not all the time mind you, but that's still a clear win for the 3070.

 

Plus in "RL-VR" (when I'm actually playing the game), the 3070 does perform noticeably better and with way less "hiccups" than the 2070 S.

 

Also:

 

 

... and:

 

 

^ the 3070 is running undervolted to 0.925V/1935 MHz, which reduces power consumption/temps/noise by quite a bit but didn't really decrease performance when compared to an Afterburner Auto OC. Perhaps because I also OCed its VRAM by 800 Mhz or perhaps because Auto OC is kinda crappy...

 

 

S.

Edited January 24, 2023 by 1Sascha

[sevenless]

8 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

When you look at my VR test results, the 3070 does perform better than the 2070 S. Plus in "RL-VR" (when I'm actually playing the game), the 3070 does perform noticeably better than the 2070 S.

 

Thanks for elaborating. Then that explains it for me. What is your perception of 3070 Ti vs 4070 Ti at 4K resolution? VR is no factor for me, but this year I plan to switch to a 42inch 4K monitor. My perception so far is that the 4070 TI should be the better choice for that combo? Difference in market price between the two cards is about 300 EUR.

 

Still on a GTX 980 in 1080p here. i9-9900k with 32gig RAM.

[Norz]

1 minute ago, sevenless said:

Still on a GTX 980 in 1080p here. i9-9900k with 32gig RAM.

 

Wow. I used 980ti because of a mining storm just 16 months ago. It was very sad experience with Il2:)))) And 980 is really slow one in comparison with 980TI...

[sevenless]

7 minutes ago, Norz said:

 

Wow. I used 980ti because of a mining storm just 16 months ago. It was very sad experience with Il2:)))) And 980 is really slow one in comparison with 980TI...

 

Yeah, it is a little long in the tooth and I have two of them in SLI (not relevant for this game) and not suitable for max details at 1080p. Originally I was planning to upgrade 2 years ago to a 3070, but then came this bitcoin pricewave...

[LVA_Picard]

The price wave yes insane amount of money .

 

I payed 700 euro fore my 3060 Ti oc 

 

Think i keep this 1 fore a while 

 

No need to rush it fore a 4070ti ore 4080 . 

 

I need to change first my old i5 cpu i think before even think to buy a gpu from the 4000 cards 

 

no matter wat al the spread sheets say , this old system : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz   3.50 GHz  with 16 gig of ram in combination with the 3060 TI , reverb G2 VR is can squeeze 50 fps out of it 88 general and 120 % SS  . 

 

Cockpit is so damn sharp and outside is ok .  

 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by LVA_Picard

[1Sascha]

3 hours ago, sevenless said:

What is your perception of 3070 Ti vs 4070 Ti at 4K resolution?

I own neither, so I can only go from what I read/watch online.

 

Re the 4070 Ti: I pretty much agree with Linus: It's a good card at a bad price.

Re the 3070 Ti: I briefly considered it instead of the 3070, but the minor difference in performance wasn't worth the extra €100, €120 I would've had to pay for the Ti.

 

According to Techpowerup:

3060 Ti: 85%

3070: 100%

3070 Ti: 107%

3080: 130%

 

Clearly, the 3070 Ti's uplift is a bit of a joke.

 

You *might* get away with the 3070 Ti in 4K, but don't expect to be able to crank up your detail levels with it in more demanding games. Plus: It "only" has 8 GB of VRAM, which probably won't be enough going forward, especially at higher res and with high details.

 

If I were you, I'd probably wait at least until the 4060 and 4070 are released. See how those perform and how prices might change after their launch ... if they change. IIRC, they're supposed to launch somewhere around early March? I seem to remember a leak claiming that their production was set to start in February. 

 

Other than that:

I already posted this in the Benchmark-thread (video doesn't allow embedding):

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLsLNkuK0E

 

Performance comparison between 4070 Ti and 3090. Performance looks pretty good (4070 Ti beats the 3090 in all games tested except MSFS). If that thing was €200 - €300 cheaper, I'd seriously consider the upgrade. But at €900? No thanks.

 

 

S.

Edited January 24, 2023 by 1Sascha

[sevenless]

7 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

. If that thing was €200 - €300 cheaper, I'd seriously consider the upgrade. But at €900? No thanks.

 

Thanks for your assessment. I agree on the price, but could handle that. 1.000 EUR for a GFX card is my personal "sound barrier", my "old" Asus Strix 980 SLI combo was about the same price when I bought it back then in 2014. However will wait until 4060 and 4070 reach the market. No problem for me waiting additional 6 months.

[chiliwili69]

4 hours ago, sevenless said:

but this year I plan to switch to a 42inch 4K monitor.

 

If you just want to play at a 4K monitor (I assume 60Hz), then any GPU like a 1080Ti or above will give you graphic power enough to be always above 60fps. 

There are many GPUs new and second hand out there.

[sevenless]

2 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

If you just want to play at a 4K monitor (I assume 60Hz), then any GPU like a 1080Ti or above will give you graphic power enough to be always above 60fps. 

There are many GPUs new and second hand out there.

 

I am at present undecided between these three 144/120Hz monitors:

 

ASUS ROG Strix XG43UQ 109,22cm Gaming Monitor: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör

 

Gigabyte Aorus FV43U 109cm 4K Gaming-Monitor HDMI 2.1/DP/USB-C 144Hz 1ms, FV43U-EK: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör

 

LG OLED42C27LA TV 107 cm (42 Zoll) OLED evo Fernseher (Cinema HDR, 120 Hz, Smart TV) [Modelljahr 2022] : Amazon.de: Elektronik & Foto

[chiliwili69]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

I am at present undecided between these three 144/120Hz monitors

I can understand the 4K (it is great) and the size 43" (it is great),

but is there any special reason why you want to go to 120Hz or 144Hz?

 

I ask that because in even in VR (Where I can run my VR device at 80Hz, 90Hz, 120Hz and 144Hz) I am perfectly happy with running it at 80Hz (the minimum).

I have tried other VR games at 144Hz and honestly, I don´t see any major difference.

 

If you want to run at 120Hz or 144Hz , your CPU then will need also to generate 120/144 fps and depending of the density of the scenario (AI objects) your 9900K will not be able to mantain that, so you will need to start balancing your graphcis settings in order to be at 120/144.

 

 

[sevenless]

4 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

but is there any special reason why you want to go to 120Hz or 144Hz?

 

No special reason, more the desire to have some hardware which can last me the next 5 years. At present I am using a 32inch SONY Bravia at 1080p@60Hz. If that 4K Monitor then reaches 80 or 100Hz or 144Hz, I guess I dont care that much.

[chiliwili69]

14 hours ago, sevenless said:

If that 4K Monitor then reaches 80 or 100Hz or 144Hz, I guess I dont care that much.

So I guess there will be 4K monitors of that size also at 60Hz or 75Hz, and perhaps cheaper.

[RossMarBow]

On 1/22/2023 at 12:54 PM, WheelwrightPL said:

 

You only get 3090 Ti performance in ray traced games, though. I just upgraded from 2080 Ti to 4070 Ti, and saw no difference in performance in BeamNG, so I kindof regret my decision. I also saw no obvious difference in IL-2, but it might have been caused by the clouds which are supposedly CPU-intensive, so I cannot say for sure.

 

Yea if your CPU limited a faster GPU is actually going to slow down you FPS.
 

On 1/25/2023 at 1:50 AM, LVA_Picard said:

The price wave yes insane amount of money .

 

I payed 700 euro fore my 3060 Ti oc 

 

Think i keep this 1 fore a while 

 

No need to rush it fore a 4070ti ore 4080 . 

 

I need to change first my old i5 cpu i think before even think to buy a gpu from the 4000 cards 

 

no matter wat al the spread sheets say , this old system : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz   3.50 GHz  with 16 gig of ram in combination with the 3060 TI , reverb G2 VR is can squeeze 50 fps out of it 88 general and 120 % SS  . 

 

Cockpit is so damn sharp and outside is ok .  

 

 

Your CPU is far too slow, a faster graphics card will not help at all.

You need to upgrade your CPU to a 5800x3d or a 7800x3d. Before buying a new graphics card otherwise it will be a waste of money.

 

 

Hardware unboxed had a good video on hardware scaling.
If you combine an old cpu with a 4090
It is slower than
A brand new CPU with a low end graphics card

For IL-2 and VR this situation is even worse.

Edited January 26, 2023 by RossMarBow

[LVA_Picard]

Understood Ross i know that il2 needs a good cpu .

 

Still its runn 50 fps on the highest setting only turned the clouds to medium , distance to 70 km and shadows on high 

 

89% general and 120% supersampling 

 

 

[1Sascha]

Quote

no matter wat al the spread sheets say , this old system : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz   3.50 GHz  with 16 gig of ram in combination with the 3060 TI , reverb G2 VR is can squeeze 50 fps out of it 88 general and 120 % SS  . 

Whoops... only saw that just now.

 

Yeah... In this scenario, I would probably just keep that 3060 Ti and look at a CPU/Mobo upgrade to get something that's more appropriate for that card. Wouldn't be too expensive I reckon, especially if you can re-use some stuff from your old PC - like SSDs or case and fans.

 

~€200 for a decent DDR4 Z690 board, ~€300 if you want something a bit fancier (Z790s are not that much more expensive, but AFAIK there's no real need to go Z790). You might also go with an H-chipset (say, if you don't plan on OCing) if those can be had significantly cheaper.

~€200 to €350 for an i5-12500, 12600K or 13600K (depending on budget, but any of these should be way faster than your 4770). Looks like at least the 12600 doesn't have much of a price difference ATM between locked/unlocked or IGP/non-IGP, so you might as well go with unlocked and IGP if you plan to spend a bit more.

~€30 to €50 for a CPU cooler

~€40 to €80 for 2x8 to 2x16 of decent 3200 DDR4

~€80 for a new PSU

 

... even if you opt for some of the fancier options and/or have to throw in some more new components like a case or a couple of fans, you could probably do it for less than the €900 you'd currently have to pay for a 4070 Ti - and you'd end up with a massively faster PC. I would expect a pretty large uplift compared to your old system that's probably heavily bottlenecked by that i7-4770.

 

 

I definitely wouldn't spend €900 on a 4070 Ti to pair it with a fourth-gen Intel CPU. That would be a waste of money, IMO.

 

S.

Edited January 26, 2023 by 1Sascha

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2 hours ago, 1Sascha said:

Whoops... only saw that just now.

 

Yeah... In this scenario, I would probably just keep that 3060 Ti and look at a CPU/Mobo upgrade to get something that's more appropriate for that card. Wouldn't be too expensive I reckon, especially if you can re-use some stuff from your old PC - like SSDs or case and fans.

 

~€200 for a decent DDR4 Z690 board, ~€300 if you want something a bit fancier (Z790s are not that much more expensive, but AFAIK there's no real need to go Z790). You might also go with an H-chipset (say, if you don't plan on OCing) if those can be had significantly cheaper.

~€200 to €350 for an i5-12500, 12600K or 13600K (depending on budget, but any of these should be way faster than your 4770). Looks like at least the 12600 doesn't have much of a price difference ATM between locked/unlocked or IGP/non-IGP, so you might as well go with unlocked and IGP if you plan to spend a bit more.

~€30 to €50 for a CPU cooler

~€40 to €80 for 2x8 to 2x16 of decent 3200 DDR4

~€80 for a new PSU

 

... even if you opt for some of the fancier options and/or have to throw in some more new components like a case or a couple of fans, you could probably do it for less than the €900 you'd currently have to pay for a 4070 Ti - and you'd end up with a massively faster PC. I would expect a pretty large uplift compared to your old system that's probably heavily bottlenecked by that i7-4770.

 

 

I definitely wouldn't spend €900 on a 4070 Ti to pair it with a fourth-gen Intel CPU. That would be a waste of money, IMO.

 

S.

At first i want to thank you fore this comprehensive report .

 

Realy appreciated.

 

Fore now i lay my hands on my wallet .

 

50 fps is not a bad thing in VR , no pain in the head ore dizzy,still its true the gpu is fine fore now but the cpu is heavy outdated .

 

Lets see how the situation is in 6 month's 

 

In 6 month's a lot can change in this world but lets not talk about that here .

 

Robin