Instant death..........

[Knarley-Bob]

Battle of Normandy

Flew across the channel, dropped two bombs, took one burst thru the P-47's  amour plate behind pilot, toast

KB

missionReport(2023-01-06_16-03-38).zip

[SCG_motoadve]

1 hour ago, Knarley-Bob said:

Battle of Normandy

Flew across the channel, dropped two bombs, took one burst thru the P-47's  amour plate behind pilot, toast

KB

missionReport(2023-01-06_16-03-38).zip 28.27 kB · 0 downloads

This is how IL2 is now, not a lot of fun anymore, hope this gets looked at and fixed.

 

[Stonehouse]

3 hours ago, Knarley-Bob said:

Battle of Normandy

Flew across the channel, dropped two bombs, took one burst thru the P-47's  amour plate behind pilot, toast

KB

missionReport(2023-01-06_16-03-38).zip 28.27 kB · 1 download

 

With the idea of trying to help you get the issue looked at I just wanted to point out that the attached MLG file doesn't really say anything other than FW190A8s were responsible for you being shot down.  

For the devs to really check the situation they would need to know the exact range between the aircraft firing at you and yourself, exactly where the two aircraft were in relation to each other so they could figure out what armor was involved and where the rounds impacted your aircraft and then also exactly what rounds hit that caused your death and how many. Which armor and rounds are involved is obviously important as each round has different penetration or fragmentation damage associated with it and this is applied to the armor and so the damage transferred through the armor is determined. The penetration and damage drop off with range so knowing what the distance between target and firer is very important. The fragmentation damage drops quite quickly with distance so knowing exactly where the round exploded on your aircraft is also critical as this would determine how many fragments were involved in your death and the direction they came from, and so which armor was involved in trying to stop them.

 

Suggestion only but I think you would need to attach a track file for them to get this info. Any chance you have the track?

[Charon]

This doesn't necessarily seem like a problem. The manual says it has 3/8" inch armor that will stop right angle hits from German .312 (7.92mm), but I wouldn't expect it to reliably stop 20mm AP.

 

However, it's also possible you were killed by fragments from HE shells striking the wing; HE fragmentation is indeed over-performing.

[Supercharger]

9 hours ago, Knarley-Bob said:

took one burst thru the P-47's  amour plate behind pilot, toast

yes, you can be killed, even if your sitting in a P-47.... where is the problem? 

[Stonehouse]

On 1/7/2023 at 2:19 PM, Charon said:

This doesn't necessarily seem like a problem. The manual says it has 3/8" inch armor that will stop right angle hits from German .312 (7.92mm), but I wouldn't expect it to reliably stop 20mm AP.

 

However, it's also possible you were killed by fragments from HE shells striking the wing; HE fragmentation is indeed over-performing.

@CharonDid you ever post that track of the FW190 and the B26 over here in the issues forum somewhere?

It may not be the HE shell over performing but the logic for fragment allocation having an issue. I had the thought that perhaps at least one of the fragments was allocated to the bottom of the cockpit sphere of protection where the armor value is 0. Looking at the track you were slightly low when firing but I still don't feel that a fragment should have been allocated to bottom armor given the location of the hit. I feel that this is could the root cause of the issue you show and it needs to be here where devs might see it and investigate. If the fragment allocation logic is off somehow that may explain the issue people are posting about re excessive pilot kills. The only other thing I can think of is that multiple fragments hit the left side cockpit protection and the successive hits degraded the armor to the point that at least one fragment got through - it would be good to have a dev team person confirm that armor degradation definitely happens or not as that also may explain things better for people.