Finaly bought Normandy and at D-day + 1 the beaches are empty, no ships, no troops... :(

[Matsy_fr]

Hey you all! Happy new years!

 

I've got all the il-2 great battle modules, was waiting to buy normandy and frankly could not wait. Today I finaly launch the game, start a career in a typhoon squadron, 1st mission is for the 7th of june, so D-Day+1.... We must hit anything in a square a few clicks south of the beach heads. Perfect, couldnt wait to see the big show!

 

So I thought...

 

Not a single ship anywhere, so I started folowing the beaches from sword, juno, etc to omaha, did them all.... Nothing! No ship no troops, no tank, empty... Just the bunkers on Pointe du Hoc.

 

I'm quite disapointed, I love the game to bits, I'm a huge ww2 plane nerd, french, actually live near the western edge of the actual map... me sad.

 

Does  any body understand? I just check youtube and saw videos of the landing beaches in the game with ships and troops, so it can happen but I tried carrer and sigle mission... emptyness. How do you get to fly over the action like that? Does the game not always spawn the landings troops and ship when the date matches?2023_1_4__1_41_9.rar

 

At least I finaly got to try all those new fantastic aircrafts (couldn't wait for typhoon,mosquito, arado and me 410) but it feels wrong not to be able to experience d-day with this package.

 

Have a good day every body, good flying!

 

 

 

 

[Skycat1969]

I flew a P-38 career mission when I first got BoN to check out the invasion. There was small bit of activity: landing craft, a couple platoons of infantry, a tank or two progressing past concrete bunkers. It wasn't an epic recreation but certainly there was some activity.

 

I'm currently playing a Luftwaffe career. My FW 190 squadron has been tasked to strafe the beach on two separate days. The density of objects at the beachhead especially ships, balloons, and obstacles but also clusters of vehicles, smoke columns, and a wall of AAA fire practically turned my VR experience into a slideshow. The inland area was saturated with ground vehicles but a bit more playable. I've since flown a free-hunt mission that took me near the area and it is still heavily populated.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Matsy_fr said:

feels wrong not to be able to experience d-day with this package.

Did you fly career ?

[Raptorattacker]

5 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Did you fly career ?

"I flew a P-38 career mission when I first got BoN to..." 

[Lusekofte]

First thing I did was to fly Mossie. It is a beauty 

[Matsy_fr]

8 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Did you fly career ?

Yes I flew a typhoon career, first mission on D-day+7, there was nothing on the beaches, and no ships, and I really followed all 5 landings beaches, flying low all along, completlty empty....

9 hours ago, Skycat1969 said:

The density of objects at the beachhead especially ships, balloons, and obstacles but also clusters of vehicles, smoke columns

 

9 hours ago, Skycat1969 said:

There was small bit of activity: landing craft, a couple platoons of infantry, a tank or two progressing past concrete bunkers. It wasn't an epic recreation but certainly there was some activity.

That's what I dont understand, I also saw on some YT videos that there can be activity on the beaches, but on my playthrough, all the area was completly empty...  I didnt check the target area because the landings were on the way to it, so when I saw nothing on the beaches, even in the sea where the map indicated ships supposedly bombarding the coast I satrted to inspect closely all the landing area and out of frustration when I saw that from omaha to juno (or sword, dont remember which one is the most to the east) there was no asset, I quited the mission...

[TheSNAFU]

What is your density setting? If it’s scattered that will reduce the ground activity a lot in the career. No idea if that is the issue but it’s worth a look. 

[Blitzen]

Ditto

[Livai]

First, when there's nothing

Close your eyes, Pictures come alive

What a feeling

In a flash, your finger's on the trigger

You're flying above Normandy, surrounded from anti-aircraft flak fire - It's your big D-Day

What a feeling

Well, you can feel the anti-aircraft flak fire rhythm when you fly through

What a feeling (You can really have it all)
What a feeling (Pictures come alive when you call)

You can have it all (You can really have it all)
Have it all (pictures come alive when you call)
(Call, call, call, call)

Edited January 4, 2023 by Livai

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

3 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

What is your density setting? If it’s scattered that will reduce the ground activity a lot in the career. No idea if that is the issue but it’s worth a look. 

The issue is, even with a 4090, a 12 Gen CPU and 64GB's of ram the Normandy Career Campaign runs like a slideshow with the highest Density setting. ? Don't know what kind of PC's Normandy was tested on, but I'd like to own one.

[Rei-sen]

14 hours ago, Matsy_fr said:

I've got all the il-2 great battle modules, was waiting to buy normandy and frankly could not wait. Today I finaly launch the game, start a career in a typhoon squadron, 1st mission is for the 7th of june, so D-Day+1.... We must hit anything in a square a few clicks south of the beach heads. Perfect, couldnt wait to see the big show!

 

So I thought...

 

Not a single ship anywhere, so I started folowing the beaches from sword, juno, etc to omaha, did them all.... Nothing! No ship no troops, no tank, empty... Just the bunkers on Pointe du Hoc.

Sounds like a worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, lol.

 

Yeah, I feel you.

[FliegerAD]

Thing is, there should be an easy and quick option for the maximum possible D-Day experience. Like when you want to just recreate Pips Priller's attack run, you should be able to get an easy, one-click quick-play mission with all the ships the engine can handle. ...without needing to play a campaign.

 

If there is such a thing and I overlooked it, I would be overjoyed and thankful for any hint.

[TheSNAFU]

1 hour ago, BBAS_Tiki_Joe said:

The issue is, even with a 4090, a 12 Gen CPU and 64GB's of ram the Normandy Career Campaign runs like a slideshow with the highest Density setting. ? Don't know what kind of PC's Normandy was tested on, but I'd like to own one.

Yep ground AI in particular eats our pc’s for lunch. It’s terrible and shouldn’t be with modern hardware. 

[Matsy_fr]

2 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Like when you want to just recreate Pips Priller's

IKR! I was also very surpised there is no  single missions for nomrandy, I was exactly expecting that the first thing I would do was to do the Pips Priller's beach strafing mission... It seems like an obvious choice and would not have been so hard to put together, and when you select quick mission on the map, the beaches are empty as well, if you take the spawn near the landings with a fw 190 you get.... 2 ships...

6 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

What is your density setting?

Maximum.....

I will add that you always hear that dcs have more detailed planes but the world feels less alive than IL2, well yesterday after my frustration on my first flights on normandy, I switched to dcs, did the mission over Dieppe to cover the landings with a spit, it was full of ships and explosions on the beaches, landing crafts, aaa, bunker being bombed, smoke every where! I guess that's one point for dcs!

[TheSNAFU]

This game is simply not capable of heavy ground action without tanking the fps/ frametimes particularly if you are playing in vr and even  on good pc’s. 
 

That said if you are on max density and seeing no ground and sea activity something else is wrong. The game does produce a very good amount of action on D Day with ships off shore, landing craft going in (albeit with no troops in them for some damn reason), tanks and infantry on the beaches, tracers etc. Of course it’s a stutter fest in vr. If you’re not seeing that on max density i would have no idea why. 

[PatrickAWlson]

8 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

This game is simply not capable of heavy ground action without tanking the fps/ frametimes particularly if you are playing in vr and even  on good pc’s. 
 

That said if you are on max density and seeing no ground and sea activity something else is wrong. The game does produce a very good amount of action on D Day with ships off shore, landing craft going in (albeit with no troops in them for some damn reason), tanks and infantry on the beaches, tracers etc. Of course it’s a stutter fest in vr. If you’re not seeing that on max density i would have no idea why. 

 

I can get a couple hundred ground objects into a mission.  That is way beyond manufacturer's warranty but it still usually works.  Even so, 50 landing craft, a dozen destroyers, and a few hundred ground units spread across the five beaches still don't hit you with the scale of the invasion.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

6 hours ago, BBAS_Tiki_Joe said:

The issue is, even with a 4090, a 12 Gen CPU and 64GB's of ram the Normandy Career Campaign runs like a slideshow with the highest Density setting. ? Don't know what kind of PC's Normandy was tested on, but I'd like to own one.

I usually play multiplayer, but was trying to play some single player in IL-2 last night to test the latest version of my modpack (just texture replacements, nothing too intensive). More than half of the missions/campaigns I tried were unplayable on my reverb g2 powered by a 5800x3d with 32 gb of 3800mhz cl14 ram and RTX 3080 because of time dilation and stuttering. IL-2 is SO limited by its putrid engine/ai code. This is why the devs are wanting to revamp/replace the engine: it sucks for handling scale.

People with deep pockets that wish to play single player could simply host their missions on a private NASA server and then play them on a different pc ?

[Blitzen]

3 hours ago, Matsy_fr said:

IKR! I was also very surpised there is no  single missions for nomrandy, I was exactly expecting that the first thing I would do was to do the Pips Priller's beach strafing mission... It seems like an obvious choice and would not have been so hard to put together, and when you select quick mission on the map, the beaches are empty as well, if you take the spawn near the landings with a fw 190 you get.... 2 ships...

Maximum.....

I will add that you always hear that dcs have more detailed planes but the world feels less alive than IL2, well yesterday after my frustration on my first flights on normandy, I switched to dcs, did the mission over Dieppe to cover the landings with a spit, it was full of ships and explosions on the beaches, landing crafts, aaa, bunker being bombed, smoke every where! I guess that's one point for dcs!

In CloD the Dunkirk Campaign is simply full of planes ,and ground & sea objects AND intense AA & smoke over the town and surrounding countryside.It is marvelous!

[TheSNAFU]

1 hour ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

I can get a couple hundred ground objects into a mission.  That is way beyond manufacturer's warranty but it still usually works.  Even so, 50 landing craft, a dozen destroyers, and a few hundred ground units spread across the five beaches still don't hit you with the scale of the invasion.

You can get 200 ground objects in a mission on the Normandy map in vr with smooth performance? Salute if so! Using your program on anything higher than low ground setting and medium AAA is a stuttering mess for me. Particularly across the beaches, near cities or some airfields. I’m on a 9700k at 5.1 ghz and a 3080 ftw card on a Reverb g2 at 90hz. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by TheSNAFU

[sevenless]

11 minutes ago, drewm3i-VR said:

CLoD in VR is going to rustle some feathers around here, just saying... ?

 

Would be great, because competition means progress. However the big void is still a singleplayer career mode. Unless that is fixed, most people will pass on that.

[TheSNAFU]

If CLOD had something like pwcg I’d play it again when vr is released. There is no polished (or even finished) dynamic campaign for it and what is available for sp is not compelling to me. 

[Stonehouse]

7 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Thing is, there should be an easy and quick option for the maximum possible D-Day experience. Like when you want to just recreate Pips Priller's attack run, you should be able to get an easy, one-click quick-play mission with all the ships the engine can handle. ...without needing to play a campaign.

 

If there is such a thing and I overlooked it, I would be overjoyed and thankful for any hint.

Isn't the AQMB beach head patrol missions something like that? 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

18 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

If CLOD had something like pwcg I’d play it again when vr is released. There is no polished (or even finished) dynamic campaign for it and what is available for sp is not compelling to me. 

Well, maybe we should ask @PatrickAWlson if he would be willing to make PWCG for CLoD. I'm sure TF would be more than delighted and PWCG would have far greater capabilities in the CLoD engine IMO.

[TheSNAFU]

Im pretty sure he’s been asked before. I think his response was that CLOD is much different under the hood than il2 so the work would be huge. I am not speaking for Pat. Perhaps he will weigh in. 

[PatrickAWlson]

41 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

Im pretty sure he’s been asked before. I think his response was that CLOD is much different under the hood than il2 so the work would be huge. I am not speaking for Pat. Perhaps he will weigh in. 

 

That was the answer.  I don't even know if it's possible.  PWCG works for GB only because it has a text input file and text output logs.  Without those it would not work at all.

[TheSNAFU]

Thanks Pat. Go figure! I remember what you said god knows how long ago but half the time I can’t remember what I ate for breakfast ?

[Matsy_fr]

12 hours ago, Blitzen said:

In CloD the Dunkirk Campaign

Sounds cool! I got a bit back in clod recently. I'm french and my grand father always praised the d520 when I was a kid, didn't expect to get to fly it in a sim, it's prety neat! Which campaign in clod contains Dunkerque?

11 hours ago, Stonehouse said:

Isn't the AQMB beach head patrol missions

What's that?

 

Also can't wait to try out clod in VR!

So to conlcude, nobody's got any idea why the landing scenery didnt appear in my playthrough (typhoon career mod dday+1)?

[PB0_Roll]

In GB, you can't expect much decorum outside of your flight plan.

 

How far were you ?

[Stonehouse]

1 hour ago, Matsy_fr said:

 

12 hours ago, Stonehouse said:

Isn't the AQMB beach head patrol missions

What's that?

Advanced Quick Mission Builder ie Quick missions. If you pick the post invasion map of Normandy there are nationality icons on the beaches/mulberry harbour areas, picking one allows you to choose a beachhead patrol mission. If you choose to fly Luftwaffe it is an attack on the beach head otherwise it is a CAP over the beach head. Around the target area there is a reasonable number of ships and tanks etc. Lots of flak as well.

[Livai]

16 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I can get a couple hundred ground objects into a mission.  That is way beyond manufacturer's warranty but it still usually works.  Even so, 50 landing craft, a dozen destroyers, and a few hundred ground units spread across the five beaches still don't hit you with the scale of the invasion.

 

Depends how you put the objects into a mission and how the presentation look in the end.

 

-> As example: "How you manage to fill this landing boats with soldiers and then when the landing boats reach the beach unload all soldiers to attack the beach"

 

 

 

-> As example: What presentation look better???

•  Compare the Battle of Normandy called the D-Day presentation to Flying Circus presentation of No - Man's - Land

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by Livai

[PatrickAWlson]

2 hours ago, Livai said:

 

Depends how you put the objects into a mission and how the presentation look in the end.

 

-> As example: "How you manage to fill this landing boats with soldiers and then when the landing boats reach the beach unload all soldiers to attack the beach"

 

 

 

-> As example: What presentation look better???

•  Compare the Battle of Normandy called the D-Day presentation to Flying Circus presentation of No - Man's - Land

 

 

I don't fill the boat with soldiers.  I just create the boat.  (looked again - the soldiers look like only the crew.  I did not see actual soldiers as a "cargo" in the well of the landing boat) I am guessing the 1C implementation just includes the soldiers in the 3d model of the boat.

The boat starts away from the beach.  When the boat reaches the shore I trigger a spawn of whatever the boat is carrying (infantry or tanks) on the shore.  

Once spawned, the attacking units are programmed to attack defensive positions, which will cause the soldiers and tanks to start moving across the beach.

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by PatrickAWlson

[migmadmarine]

What was the title of the mission type you were flying? From what I saw in testing the ships and things landing were tied to mission types originally so if it was a beach cap or attack landing zone mission they would be present, but not on missions directly rated to the beaches. We tried to get them to apply the template universally, but it is possible they missed a mission template or two. 

 

As for density of units, I'll have to try one of pats, if he is pushing "way past warranty" I wonder how well it runs since the default career beach missions on high density already play in slow motion for me over the beaches. 

[Matsy_fr]

5 hours ago, Livai said:

What presentation look better???

It's the pointe du hoc isnt it? It's far from breath taking scenery, and not how it would have look that day but at least the landing boats are there, I made sure to do all the coast that is concerned, I flew there lower than this, the bunkers were there, inactive, but not a single boat, nothing. That's what I dont understand, why on the proper date there was nothing? Obviously it can be in the game, but I didnt manage to get it. I'l have to try again, other squadron, maybe, german side, but it's really gonna make me loose my patience. 60 something euros... At least I got the planes... but for a while I'l fly in dcs because I'm pissed. Do the devs answer here sometime?

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

What was the title of the mission type you were flying? From what I saw in testing the ships and things landing were tied to mission types originally so if it was a beach cap or attack landing zone mission they would be present, but not on missions directly rated to the beaches. We tried to get them to apply the template universally, but it is possible they missed a mission template or two. 

 

Yes, there are only a few mission types that are specifically tailored to the Normandy landings and thus have landing craft, patrolling DDs, etc. Going from memory, they are:

• Attack beachhead
• Bomb beachhead
• Patrol beachhead

There might be a few others that have D-Day specific subtypes, but I'd have to check my notes.

[MisterSmith]

Gentlemen,

 

We have drifted VERY far afield of a Normady Beachead topic. There are plenty of CloD and CloD VR threads to have this alternate discussion. If your post was hidden with no explanation in the box, refer to the first two sentences of this post for clarification/justification.

 

Back on topic please,

 

Smith

[migmadmarine]

9 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, there are only a few mission types that are specifically tailored to the Normandy landings and thus have landing craft, patrolling DDs, etc. Going from memory, they are:

• Attack beachhead
• Bomb beachhead
• Patrol beachhead

There might be a few others that have D-Day specific subtypes, but I'd have to check my notes.

Really, this ought to be any mission that is happening within sight of the beaches, but I'm not sure how readily they can set that up. 

[sevenless]

4 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

Really, this ought to be any mission that is happening within sight of the beaches, but I'm not sure how readily they can set that up. 

 

They had to release the game at a given date. This is a clear indication it was rushed.

[Lusekofte]

There is a balance, you can’t have all things happening other places if your task got a lot going on. It would be a slide show

Careers are not ideal for such things. Only scripted campaigns will be able to tweak a balanced mission. This is why they are so damn cool

[migmadmarine]

And it would be a bit more complicated than one might expect to implement, you'd probably have to make a new mission template for every mission type for things in the d-day landing area, so as to not have it place landing force objects even when you're only flying at the far end of the map, which would take a fair bit of work to implement and test and have running smoothly. Though with the not directly beach head related missions, it would be nice to at least have the large ships, not having the small landing craft and infantry near the beaches is fine by me at least if my mission is attacking shore targets 5 miles inland. 

[smink1701]

I purchased Normandy for all the planes. If you’re going to have a Normandy map, it should represent the Normandy invasion, even in single player. To me it’s just another map.