Gloster Meteor

[deathmisser]

With the addition of the Normandy module and the previous one Bodenplatte both bringing in jets from the German Luftwaffe the Me 262 and the Ar 234.

 

I was wondering why we've not gotten the Gloster Meteor what so ever even though we are clearly being in the time frame for both modules.

 

I mean yea I understand that only a few were made and handed out to one squadron. It would be a very unique aircraft to have in the game.

 

 

What do you guys think ?

 

[Trooper117]

12 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

What do you guys think ?

 

I think, comparing to the other threads on this already, it's highly unlikely.

They saw no air to air combat, they were only used initially for V1 intercepts, and when they eventually got over in Squadron strength to the continent in March 1945 they were used in armed recce and some ground attacks.

But what do I know?... they have given us a bubble top Spit that only arrived just before the war ended, so who knows?

[deathmisser]

22 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I think, comparing to the other threads on this already, it's highly unlikely.

They saw no air to air combat, they were only used initially for V1 intercepts, and when they eventually got over in Squadron strength to the continent in March 1945 they were used in armed recce and some ground attacks.

But what do I know?... they have given us a bubble top Spit that only arrived just before the war ended, so who knows?

I mean yea I understand that they saw very limited service but honestly that just adds to the uniqueness to them.

Tbh does every thing has to be air to air combat to sell ?

[sevenless]

 

[deathmisser]

14 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Ah I didn't see that thread thank you m8. o7

[Gingerwelsh]

That's an old thread that needs to be re kindled.

 

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[Semor76]

1 hour ago, deathmisser said:

 

Tbh does every thing has to be air to air combat to sell ?

Yes.

 

[sevenless]

41 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Ah I didn't see that thread thank you m8. o7

 

No worries. Basically we discussed everything back and forth there. At the end of the day there are so many planes left out to fill the voids for the 5 published BoX modules, that they could produce 30-plus collector planes for them and still would have a plate full left out. I wouldn´t mind them to somehow offer the Meteor I/III, but their ressources are limited and they certainly have their own opinion about what would sell and what not so much. Somehow they will need cash flow until their new project is finished (3 years from now), so selling collectors might help them financially to stay afloat.

[deathmisser]

3 minutes ago, Semor76 said:

Yes.

 

Erm,

 

Ermm,

 

Ermmm,

 

 

Then what do you say about these ?

 

You can't say "just because it had no aerial kills" that it shouldn't be on the store. Then turn a blind eye to theses.  

 

 

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, deathmisser said:

Then turn a blind eye to theses.  

 

He was having a laugh...

[deathmisser]

4 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

He was having a laugh...

Wish people made it more clear.  ?

Edited January 2, 2023 by deathmisser

[Guest deleted@83466]

Voted no, just because it’s role so limited in WW2, compared to others.

[Lusekofte]

Cool plane, but it is all about priorities. Not my first choice. 

[616Sqn_Tyggz]

17 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

I think, comparing to the other threads on this already, it's highly unlikely.

Considering it's got a potential campaign on both the Normandy and Rheinland maps, I think it's a fairly good choice. Some aircraft only have careers for one map. BlackSix himself seems to think so too.
And I think there's a lot of Luftie fans who are begging for late war AC that either have no maps to fly from or no bombers to intercept. As always though, these kinds of threads do little more other than gauge customer interest.


 

 

[Bonnot]

Curious to watch so much buzz around a bird without real wwii action, when many workhorse of 1000+ fighting craft are still ignored........

 

[CountZero]

Kimpo base in Korea, planty of action for them...

[JG7_X-Man]

Where it did see combat in WWII, it never faced the Me 262 so I vote No.

Edited January 3, 2023 by JG7_X-Man

[LukeFF]

14 hours ago, Bonnot said:

Curious to watch so much buzz around a bird without real wwii action, when many workhorse of 1000+ fighting craft are still ignored........

 

So all those V-1s it shot down and ground targets it destroyed weren't real? 

[JG7_X-Man]

@Bonnot The Gloster Meteor did see action in WWII but not sure any were actually credited with downing a Luftwaffe "manned" aircraft.

[Bonnot]

9 hours ago, LukeFF said:

So all those V-1s it shot down and ground targets it destroyed weren't real? 

A dozen ( +?- ) V1 destroyed , probably saving lives in England...., some  ground targets destroyed ( behind the Front Line to avoid capture ) ... but how many Beau  crushing subs, ships, defences,  etc... on all fronts for 4 years ?

Edited January 4, 2023 by Bonnot

[sevenless]

This one gives a pretty good summary about the Meteor service in WW2.

 

SQUADRONS! No.15: The Gloster Meteor F.I & F.III | RAF in Combat (raf-in-combat.com)

[Talisman]

Yes, we get it in new project.  

 

Korea!  

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

Edited January 4, 2023 by 56RAF_Talisman

[Sgt_Joch]

the Meteor did serve in WW2. It was in service from mid-44, was used to shoot down V-1s and was used as an "aggressor" against heavy bombers to familiarize them with what a jet could do.

 

It was deployed on the continent in 45 after Bodenplatte specifically to provide air cover. I recall reading about an incident where a Meteor flight caught sight of ME-262s, but the German jets left the area before they could be engaged. They were pulled back to Britain due to "friendly fire" concerns since Allied prop fighters often tried to intercept them mistaking them for 262s.

 

I would like to see it as a collector plane.

 

 

[Bonnot]

I think that nobody can object to the choice of Collector.......

Maybe there could be a form of crowdfunding with a certain number of prepaid items reached before launching the realisation - this should cut oppositions ?????

[LukeFF]

I love how people keep bringing up crowdfunding as a way to get these planes in the game when there have been precisely 0 such funding efforts in the 10 or so years this title has been in development. ? 

[Trooper117]

If they started any kind of crowd funding crap to generate income I would never buy a thing from them again...

[CUJO_1970]

I don't see any question at all about *if* it should be included - I'd say yes! It did do work in WW2 and would give the Allies their only plausible jet aircraft.

 

It's really just a question of priorities...sure other aircraft will be needed first, but there is definitely a place for the Meteor. I hope the WW2 aspect of the sim is developed long enough to include the Meteor, because that should mean we get a lot of other cool stuff as well.

[Bonnot]

Just for curiosity : how many votes (or messages) were in favor of a Romanian fighter ?

[CUJO_1970]

35 minutes ago, Bonnot said:

Just for curiosity : how many votes (or messages) were in favor of a Romanian fighter ?

 

687,539.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Bonnot said:

Just for curiosity : how many votes (or messages) were in favor of a Romanian fighter ?

 

8,675,309

[Trooper117]

7 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

8,675,309

It wasn't my cup of tea, but you can't quibble with those numbers!

[deathmisser]

17 hours ago, Sgt_Joch said:

the Meteor did serve in WW2. It was in service from mid-44, was used to shoot down V-1s and was used as an "aggressor" against heavy bombers to familiarize them with what a jet could do.

 

It was deployed on the continent in 45 after Bodenplatte specifically to provide air cover. I recall reading about an incident where a Meteor flight caught sight of ME-262s, but the German jets left the area before they could be engaged. They were pulled back to Britain due to "friendly fire" concerns since Allied prop fighters often tried to intercept them mistaking them for 262s.

 

I would like to see it as a collector plane.

 

 

I think they said they seen FW 190's before like you said the RAF scared them off thinking they were 262s.

 

But even so they were have to be pretty damn close to identify them as FW 190s so they properly have to be on top of them just a bit behind.

Witch made a lot of sense for other RAF fighters in the area to think they were 262.

[JG7_X-Man]

21 hours ago, dogefighter said:

On May 2, Wing Cmdr. “Smokey” Schrader replaced McDowell as commander of No. 616 Squadron. On the same day, one of the “Meatbox” pilots encountered a Fieseler Fi.156 Storch, but the nimble liaison plane was able to outmaneuver the fighter and landed—after which the Meteor strafed it to destruction.

 

Counts as a2a kill

 

LOL you literally used the word "strafe" in your statement.  We are going with 46 ground attack aircraft destroyed.

 

https://mikesresearch.com/2020/12/25/gloster-meteor-jet-in-wwii-korea/ (Oh, this is where you got your information from, Mike said it was categorized as a ground kill.)

 

The war ended with the Meteors having destroyed 46 German aircraft through ground attacks. The Meteor never got the chance to prove itself against any Luftwaffe aircraft in aerial combat.

Edited January 5, 2023 by JG7_X-Man

[CountZero]

It will be limited to only vulch airbases in MP and you got it behaving historical, strafe kill counts as kill online so its same thing as air kill ?

 

[FliegerAD]

On 1/4/2023 at 7:35 PM, CUJO_1970 said:

It's really just a question of priorities...sure other aircraft will be needed first, but there is definitely a place for the Meteor. I hope the WW2 aspect of the sim is developed long enough to include the Meteor, because that should mean we get a lot of other cool stuff as well.

 

That's pretty much it, a question of priorities. Obviously the Meteors deserves to be in a WW2 game. And we can recreate its most significant jet-on-jet action in WW2, i.e. being bombed by an Ar 234.

 

...but no way it should have priority over a Beaufighter, to name just one.

[Trooper117]

Any plane that flew operationally during WWII should be eligible of course... there are many to choose from.

I still think though they should only be aircraft that flew on the existing maps in game...

[JG7_X-Man]

On 1/7/2023 at 11:52 AM, Trooper117 said:

Any plane that flew operationally during WWII should be eligible of course... there are many to choose from.

I still think though they should only be aircraft that flew on the existing maps in game...

Yeah! Let's get to work on that Ta 183!

[Gingerwelsh]

Some fuel for the Meteor.

 

A look at Sir Frank Whittles extraordinary career and the developement of the jet engine, leading up to the Meteor and beyond.

 

 

 

 

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[AndyJWest]

On 1/7/2023 at 4:52 PM, Trooper117 said:

Any plane that flew operationally during WWII should be eligible of course... there are many to choose from.

I still think though they should only be aircraft that flew on the existing maps in game...

 

Any plane except the Blackburn Roc. ?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

I didn't vote since the limited options make the question a bit non-sensical. Yes, I would want to see the aircraft in game. Just as I would for pretty much every aircraft that flew in WW2. But since the Devs only have a limited amount of aircraft they can make, choosing the Meteor would automatically mean some of the aircraft I'd much prefer won't be done. So either,

- I vote "Yes" but then the question becomes quite meaningless as I'd vote "Yes" for almost every aircraft, or

- I vote "No" but that's not quite correct either since I *would* like the Meteor.

 

Might I suggest to rephrase the question to something like:

Where's the Meteor on your priority list for new collector aircraft?

- Number 1

- Top 3

- Top 10

- Not a priority but I'd still buy it

- I don't care about the Meteor and probably wouldn't buy it

 

On 1/2/2023 at 8:23 PM, deathmisser said:

Erm,

 

Ermm,

 

Ermmm,

 

 

Then what do you say about these ?

 

You can't say "just because it had no aerial kills" that it shouldn't be on the store. Then turn a blind eye to theses. 

Actually, some of those did have air kills . In fact, the U-2VS is the only biplane with a recorded kill of a jet aircraft (an F-94 Starfire in the Korean War). Granted, it got its kill by out-manoeuvering the jet into a stall, but it's a kill nonetheless. I don't have any records, but I imagine at least some Ju-52 gunner somewhere must've gotten lucky and shot down its attacker.