This sounds like music to me

[Art-J]

Of all absurd things I've read in this thread, the notion that the management "should" clarify to us the details of ownership structure and operation just takes the cake. 

 

Unless any Limited Liability Company must publish something extra beyond basic data because of regulations of the country it's been registered in, such sensitive info is neither customer's nor anyone's business and noone except management members and shareholders are entitled to have access to it. 

 

They may post something on the subject to us on this forum in upcoming DDs / streams if they wish, but that's their prerogative rather than obligation towards customers. 

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

Of all absurd things I've read in this thread, the notion that the management "should" clarify to us the details of ownership structure and operation just takes the cake. 

 

Unless any Limited Liability Company must publish something extra beyond basic data because of regulations of the country it's been registered in, such sensitive info is neither customer's nor anyone's business and noone except management members and shareholders are entitled to have access to it. 

 

They may post something on the subject to us on this forum in upcoming DDs / streams if they wish, but that's their prerogative rather than obligation towards customers. 

Even if a response addressed every item requested I doubt that the business entities would be under obligation to make accurate representations ?

[ACG_Bussard]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

Of all absurd things I've read in this thread, the notion that the management "should" clarify to us the details of ownership structure and operation just takes the cake. 

 

Unless any Limited Liability Company must publish something extra beyond basic data because of regulations of the country it's been registered in, such sensitive info is neither customer's nor anyone's business and noone except management members and shareholders are entitled to have access to it. 

 

They may post something on the subject to us on this forum in upcoming DDs / streams if they wish, but that's their prerogative rather than obligation towards customers. 

Actually companies registered in Cyprus have the obligation to mention their beneficial owners (e.g. shareholders). The obligation isn´t voodoo or something else but European law and is called Transparency Register. You can even google that, crazy isn't it?

 

You could find out more in the cypriot register. The access is here:

eServices, eSearch in Business Entity’s Registry | Companies Section, Department of Registrar of Companies and Intellectual Property

 

I would prefer, however, if the management itself communicates it.

 

P.S. Enjoy your cake too. -lol-

Edited December 28, 2022 by 2./JG3_Bussard*
Grammar

[BlitzPig_EL]

The cake is a lie.

 

[Dagwoodyt]

11 minutes ago, 2./JG3_Bussard* said:

Actually companies registered in Cyprus have the obligation to mention their beneficial owners (e.g. shareholders). The obligation isn´t voodoo or something else but European law and is called Transparency Register. You can even google that, crazy isn't it?

 

You could find out more in the cypriot register. The access is here:

Business Entities | Companies Section, Department of Registrar of Companies and Intellectual Property

 

I would prefer, however, if the management itself communicates it.

 

P.S. Enjoy your cake too. -lol-

Thanks! In that case maybe a response will be posted under companies' letterheads  ?

[Avimimus]

Btw. I appreciate that they've left this thread up - I think it was the right choice. Even if it is more work for the moderators

 

I do think it would be good idea for the company to clarify whether they've decided if the current modules will be supported moving forward (e.g. with updates to the engine) and whether there will be any future modules on the current engine.

 

There are a bunch of things that could do with fixing and a couple of modules most people feel are still missing... so the sooner we get clarity on this the better.

[dburne]

Just now, Avimimus said:

Btw. I appreciate that they've left this thread up - I think it was the right choice. Even if it is more work for the moderators

 

I do think it would be good idea for the company to clarify whether they've decided if the current modules will be supported moving forward (e.g. with updates to the engine) and whether there will be any future modules on the current engine.

 

There are a bunch of things that could do with fixing and a couple of modules most people feel are still missing... so the sooner we get clarity on this the better.

 

I think they are having too much fun and laughing their asses off at threads like these...

[Dagwoodyt]

21 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I think they are having too much fun and laughing their asses off at threads like these...

I'm not sure decision makers are influenced by or are even aware of forum musings.

[dburne]

8 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I'm not sure decision makers are influenced by or are even aware of forum musings.

 

Jason was...

[Guest deleted@83466]

I played Red Baron for about a year.  Aces over the Pacific/Europe, for about 6 months.  Then it was Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, etc. People assume a game is going to last ten decades now.

[dburne]

11 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I played Red Baron for about a year.  Aces over the Pacific/Europe, for about 6 months.  Then it was Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, etc. People assume a game is going to last ten decades now.

 

Red Baron was my first flight sim, awesome game at the time.

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I wouldn’t expect any “who’s in charge” answers any time soon, because I doubt the developers themselves even know who they’re working for at this point.?

[Vishnu]

44 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I played Red Baron for about a year.  Aces over the Pacific/Europe, for about 6 months.  Then it was Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, etc. People assume a game is going to last ten decades now.

N0ob. 
 

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

45 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I played Red Baron for about a year.  Aces over the Pacific/Europe, for about 6 months.  Then it was Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, etc. People assume a game is going to last ten decades now.

With how long it takes to model a single plane these days to a high degree of fidelity, a game better last 10 years or more or you'll never have more than 1v1 dogfights.

[sevenless]

50 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I played Red Baron for about a year.  Aces over the Pacific/Europe, for about 6 months.  Then it was Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, etc. People assume a game is going to last ten decades now.

 

Yep, same here. SWOTL was great. I miss that strategic campaign it had, which gave the game a really unique feature. Ahhh those were the times...

[343KKT_Kintaro]

"Of all absurd things I've read in this thread, the notion that the management "should" clarify to us the details of ownership structure and operation just takes the cake"

 

@JonRedcorn, is the above what you meant when you said "Honestly we just need the team to come out and tell us what the heck is going on"?

 

Regards...

 

 

[Avimimus]

5 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I'm not sure decision makers are influenced by or are even aware of forum musings.

They are. I've seen it. Sometimes it is a very good idea that they don't listen to us or aren't overly responsive. They often know more about the market and about their own code-base than we do.

 

3 hours ago, sevenless said:

Yep, same here. SWOTL was great. I miss that strategic campaign it had, which gave the game a really unique feature. Ahhh those were the times...

 

I doubt we'd accept it nowadays though (not realistic enough).

 

The one I really miss is the original Red Baron I campaign (not Red Baron II/3d). Missions were built around a series of combat zone templates that were strung together (making time skipping easy). Importantly, the structure of the missions meant that one really noticed if there were four enemies protecting an observation balloon rather than two, and one really noticed the technology changes over time (e.g. Fokker Scourge vs. DH.2 or Morane Bullet, then Entente aircraft getting an edge, then the Albatros D.II having an edge, finally the more balanced 1917 era, and the late war appearance of the Fokker D.VIII)... there were benefits. Another neat feature was that each Ace had its own flight-model/AI... so they were all quite different to duel.

Edited December 29, 2022 by Avimimus

[JonRedcorn]

On 12/28/2022 at 2:52 PM, Art-J said:

Of all absurd things I've read in this thread, the notion that the management "should" clarify to us the details of ownership structure and operation just takes the cake. 

 

Unless any Limited Liability Company must publish something extra beyond basic data because of regulations of the country it's been registered in, such sensitive info is neither customer's nor anyone's business and noone except management members and shareholders are entitled to have access to it. 

 

They may post something on the subject to us on this forum in upcoming DDs / streams if they wish, but that's their prerogative rather than obligation towards customers. 

You mean the customers that have invested over 500+ dollars into their content? This isn't netflix bro.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Wardog5711
Removed profanity

[Guest deleted@83466]

You mean you didn’t receive the content that you paid for with that 500 bucks, JonRedcorn?  I don’t understand where you’re going with that, because you sound as if you are still owed something by virtue of past purchases.  I don’t think it works that way.  

Edited December 29, 2022 by SeaSerpent

[BraveSirRobin]

12 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

You mean the customers that have invested over 500+ dollars into their content? This isn't netflix bro.

Do you not have access to the content that you purchased?

Edited December 30, 2022 by Wardog5711
Removed profanity

[FuriousMeow]

Invest?

[Lusekofte]

I rather call it a bet than investment. 
I payed over the years very little for each hour I played this game, I did bet it would be worth it when buying al these preorders. 
In retrospect I can say that TC, Bobp and FC did not. In terms of use. FC is probably the only thing left I am not fed up with. So it might be better in the future. 
No matter the feelings I have now, these money spent was really well spent. Very cheap fun

[Ribbon]

32 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

You mean you didn’t receive the content that you paid for with that 500 bucks, JonRedcorn?  I don’t understand where you’re going with that, because you sound as if you are still owed something by virtue of past purchases.  I don’t think it works that way.  

I don't think he literally meant 'investment' but i can see his concern since game is under ongoing development and prone to changes....

Anyway ppl here went into extremes on both sides....doom and white knighting!

It's fun in here??

 

 

[LukeFF]

I love this idea some have that the owners of IL2 are going to suddenly pull out the rug from underneath them and not allow them to play the game anymore. ?

 

Sheesh, people, there are players out there who still play European Air War. IL2 isn't going anywhere. 

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

On 12/29/2022 at 12:17 AM, Avimimus said:

They are. I've seen it. Sometimes it is a very good idea that they don't listen to us or aren't overly responsive. They often know more about the market and about their own code-base than we do.

 

 

I doubt we'd accept it nowadays though (not realistic enough).

 

The one I really miss is the original Red Baron I campaign (not Red Baron II/3d). Missions were built around a series of combat zone templates that were strung together (making time skipping easy). Importantly, the structure of the missions meant that one really noticed if there were four enemies protecting an observation balloon rather than two, and one really noticed the technology changes over time (e.g. Fokker Scourge vs. DH.2 or Morane Bullet, then Entente aircraft getting an edge, then the Albatros D.II having an edge, finally the more balanced 1917 era, and the late war appearance of the Fokker D.VIII)... there were benefits. Another neat feature was that each Ace had its own flight-model/AI... so they were all quite different to duel.

Red Baron set the bar early, and they set it pretty high imo for campaign play, and random event generation of AI in general.  One of if not the first games to provide multi player online events.  Slye ran a short lived Kickstart about 10 years ago. Totally failed to reach its goal. Matter Otter games might still be around, but last I looked, saw nothing that remotely interested me.  I still wonder what he and Jason might be able to create, (if they have any interest in colaborating).   

 

Pure fantastic thought here, no inside info, no rumors, just..what if?

Edited December 30, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[Avimimus]

11 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Red Baron set the bar early, and they set it pretty high imo for campaign play, and random event generation of AI in general.  One of if not the first games to provide multi player online events.  Slye ran a short lived Kickstart about 10 years ago. Totally failed to reach its goal. Matter Otter games might still be around, but last I looked, saw nothing that remotely interested me.  I still wonder what he and Jason might be able to create, (if they have any interest in colaborating).   

 

Pure fantastic thought here, no inside info, no rumors, just..what if?

 

I was referring to the "Red Baron I campaign (not Red Baron II/3d)"... this is the sad thing - the original Red Baron is almost totally eclipsed by Red Baron II... which itself is almost forgotten ...yet I still rise, like a mummy out of the tomb every couple of years to pronounce 'it had some features now lost to time'.

 

Someday I'll be doing that about the Il-2 1946 padlock system (which is quite superior to what is on offer now)... (oh, wait, I've already started).

 

 

13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

I love this idea some have that the owners of IL2 are going to suddenly pull out the rug from underneath them and not allow them to play the game anymore. ?

 

Sheesh, people, there are players out there who still play European Air War. IL2 isn't going anywhere. 

 

Well, the problem with DRM... is that it becomes illegal to find a way to run the sim if the authentication servers go down...

Edited December 30, 2022 by Avimimus

[Bonnot]

53 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Well, the problem with DRM... is that it becomes illegal to find a way to run the sim if the authentication servers go down...

of all was said/write above, this question is perhaps the crucial one .....It is the " to be or not to be "  where nothing else comes after - and the one which really worries me since you ( all of us ) opened this Pandora box !

But how rich is this thread going from international economics to memories of long time gone games and friends who played with...so, Thanks for the memories of that 40 years old Mattel or allusion to people still playing European Airwar, those games didn't lasted 10 years (mostly because the system changed ) but they are not forgotten !

[Guest deleted@83466]

Well you know what they say.  It’s better to burn out than fade away. ?
 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by SeaSerpent
My my, hey hey.

[Bonnot]

19 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

Well you know what they say.  It’s better to burn out than fade away. ?
 

 

 

Alas, burning ends in smoke and ashes too ......Happy NEW ye....?

[FTC_Snafu26]

On 12/30/2022 at 12:12 AM, JonRedcorn said:

You mean the customers that have invested over 500+ dollars into their content? This isn't netflix bro.

You didn't invest, you got what you paid for. They don't owe us any explanation. 
 

[JonRedcorn]

On 1/10/2023 at 4:44 AM, FTC_Snafu26 said:

You didn't invest, you got what you paid for. They don't owe us any explanation. 
 

So when the verification servers go down and I can't login anymore to play the games I purchased that's no big deal?

[Gambit21]

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

So when the verification servers go down and I can't login anymore to play the games I purchased that's no big deal?

What if you get hit by a truck?  Or eaten by a hyena?  Same thing.  You won’t be able to log in.  Life is full of risks.