Developer Diary #332 Discussion

[simfan2015]

Indeed DN308 1C is taking a big risk with those decisions. It all comes down to which cards they hold and hopefully this is not Poker. 

[DN308]

That is exactly the feeling I have.

One thing is sure. The communication sounds not really good.

 I have just felt that they would abandon this game engine and the series for something else totally different but still really unknown. We’ll see and I would be happy to be wrong.  But I doubt so far.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

Why are you considering to abandon the game just because they announced they will not be developing more expansions for it? I just don’t get it. The sim is not going to stop being good or fun because of that.

They didn't announce they'll not be developing more expansions for it. Everything they did announce can be understood to mean improvements to the existing game, rather than a completely new one. Although the wording was often a bit ambiguous, at this point in time there's no reason to assume it's the latter.

 

@Han, I understand you guys aren't willing to announce what exactly the new "project" is just yet, beyond what you've said in the stream. But would it be possible to at  least share whether it's a completely new game (incompatible with BoX and the existing maps and planes) or simply another module as well as big improvements to the existing game? It seems to be leading to much anxiety among people who fear that BoX is to be "abandoned".

[Eisenfaustus]

16 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Everything they did announce can be understood to mean improvements to the existing game, rather than a completely new one. Although the wording was often a bit ambiguous, at this point in time there's no reason to assume it's the latter.

Um - yes there is. The fact that they chose such ambiguous wording instead of speaking of the next great battles module…

Why differentiate between GB and their next product if it was to be part of GB?

And from the business point of view: All major single seat fighters of WWII in Europe are sufficiently done except La7 and Yak3. And for these there probably isn’t a market right now. So if they start a new game now and do like 3 projects not set in WWII Europe they after that could start reselling spits, mustangs, 109s and 190s just like they did with RoF and FC. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

So much pearl clutching, so many drama queens, so much angst.

 

Have I fallen into an alternate universe that is based on film noir?

 

Oh, it's just gamers being gamers.

 

So strange.

[dburne]

Well I tried to get all caught up by watching the video that was streamed - made it to about the 25 min mark, all I could handle. And I don't really know much more than I did. I guess all will be revealed in time.

[BladeMeister]

41 minutes ago, dburne said:

Well I tried to get all caught up by watching the video that was streamed - made it to about the 25 min mark, all I could handle. And I don't really know much more than I did. I guess all will be revealed in time.

Me to, I fell asleep in the middle, watched the ending and then remembered,

"Guys, don't worry, Yes!" and I knew all was well and moved on with my day. I thought to myself, maybe next announcement they will actually tell us something.

 

S!Blade<><

[Gort]

4 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

They didn't announce they'll not be developing more expansions for it. Everything they did announce can be understood to mean improvements to the existing game, rather than a completely new one. Although the wording was often a bit ambiguous, at this point in time there's no reason to assume it's the latter.

 

@Han, I understand you guys aren't willing to announce what exactly the new "project" is just yet, beyond what you've said in the stream. But would it be possible to at  least share whether it's a completely new game (incompatible with BoX and the existing maps and planes) or simply another module as well as big improvements to the existing game? It seems to be leading to much anxiety among people who fear that BoX is to be "abandoned".

 

It’s going to be flying boats. You’ll be able to fly convoy escort and hunt submarines in your Sunderland or PBY. The GIUK Gap maps will be extremely detailed. It will be awesome. ?

[Blitzen]

3 hours ago, Gort said:

 

It’s going to be flying boats. You’ll be able to fly convoy escort and hunt submarines in your Sunderland or PBY. The GIUK Gap maps will be extremely detailed. It will be awesome. ?

I know, I know ,its an old and perhaps overdone subject, but perhaps they could add 4 engine bombers as simply AI aircraft & their "engine" could handle it? CloD has had AI Sunderlands & Kondors since the very beginning, and that was years ago, complete with working turrets.(Recently their AI 2 engined Wellington has had an upgrade it make it flyable with workable turrets.)I realize it would take a lot of work from the Great Battles crew , but at the very least could greatly expand the missions over Europe and if there ever is a Pacific theater B-24's and B-17's would work well there as well As many already know Microprose has two or more B-17 sims in the works.It will be interesting to watch them develop.... but GB BoX has such a long successful history already of developing new aircraft, one would think they could deliver very credible 4 engine Ai bombers ( like the beautiful 2 engine ones we now have,) in the future.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Blitzen
added info

[BlitzPig_EL]

I'm all in, as long as the types depicted are named "Mavis" and "Emily"

 

 

[[CPT]Crunch]

 

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

On 11/9/2022 at 7:35 PM, 76SQN-Minimayhemtemp said:

 

What? There are ample threads about artefacts dissapearing, stuttering, time dilation, and many other issues.  Or is that considered 'competitive visuals and performance'?

 

I mean yeah competitive visuals against CFS3 and competitive performance against a calculator (OK OK exageration there), but that statement feels very rich when you compare the game against its actual competitors (I count WT, DCS, MSFS in that bucket).

WT couldn't be competitor, because it's not a simulator.
It's just arcade game.

[76SQN-Minimayhemtemp]

26 minutes ago, 2/JG26_rudidlo said:

WT couldn't be competitor, because it's not a simulator.
It's just arcade game.

 

Wrong.

 

IL2 has an arcade setting and has arcade servers.  You can try to differentiate the products by flight model complexity but fundementally both are combat flight simulators, which all the general public will see them as, and just decide on which one to spend money on and time in.

[Trooper117]

29 minutes ago, 2/JG26_rudidlo said:

WT couldn't be competitor, because it's not a simulator.
It's just arcade game.

 

Last time I looked, all so called flight simulators are not actual simulators... they are simply flight sim 'games'... if anyone believes anything else they are simply deluded.

[BOO]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Last time I looked, all so called flight simulators are not actual simulators... they are simply flight sim 'games'... if anyone believes anything else they are simply deluded.

You mean to say the 7 hours Ive just done in DCS doesnt make me a qualifed Apachie pilot??  well sh....... But I got promoted TWICE just for not killing anyone I shouldnt or myself for that mater ---- thats seems very realistic from my own past experience... ?

 

This year I took a flight in a Tiger moth. That was enough to convinve me all sims are a veneer of the real thing. Also convinced me that  I dont like flying for real. 

[Trooper117]

9 minutes ago, BOO said:

This year I took a flight in a Tiger moth. That was enough to convinve me all sims are a veneer of the real thing. Also convinced me that  I dont like flying for real. 

 

Good on yer BOO... you got yourself up there into the blue... 

 

Me, one of the proudest moments of my life was after doing some 'touch and goes' with my flight instructor, he told me to land, then he got out, told me to do some more touch and goes until I got bored, shut the door and walked off... he then came running back and shouted ''and don't break it''. I had a smile a mile wide I can tell you!

 

[BOO]

Just now, Trooper117 said:

 

Good on yer BOO... you got yourself up there into the blue... 

 

Me, one of the proudest moments of my life was after doing some 'touch and goes' with my flight instructor, he told me to land, then he got out, told me to do some more touch and goes until I got bored, shut the door and walked off... he then came running back and shouted ''and don't break it''. I had a smile a mile wide I can tell you!

 

Well it was more grey. And High. Oh god was it high. 

[Eisenfaustus]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Last time I looked, all so called flight simulators are not actual simulators... they are simply flight sim 'games'... if anyone believes anything else they are simply deluded.

I used military simulators in real life. They were excellent decision and action trainers: action a leads to outcome b ect. However none of them could be used to replace training with the real equipment in real terrain. So no professional simulator I used acted exactly like the real thing. They were just close enough that certain aspects could be trained safely. 
 

I think IL2 GB does a very good job as a simulator - yet of course it’s not the real thing. Obviously flying a WWII warbird for real will feel very different. 

[Trooper117]

2 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

I used military simulators in real life

 

Yes, me too... but they are far more detailed than the IL2 game we play... on a real simulator you learn systems and the real inputs you will use to operate the equipment you will be using in the real world.

Computer flight games are just that, games... and yes, for flight games they can have a steep learning curve, but when all said and done they are still games.

[OG__Iceman_VR]

FYI, scratches on the glass. I know that people know the tech manuals, but did you know they used MW50 and linseed oil mixed with pumice and or a 1200 grit sandpaper, many used blades polishing leather to buff out the scratches on the glass. They had many polishes they used. Most were used in the mirror and eyeglasses industry of the time. You can still see this online, but people will use commercial mixes due to the ease of getting what you need. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by OG__Iceman_VR
fixed typo

[BladeMeister]

Where the Hell did that come from? Spambot?

 

S!Blade<><

[AndyJWest]

9 minutes ago, OG__Iceman_VR said:

...linseed oil mixed with pumas...

 

Now there's a job I don't think I'd want. Puma-oiler. 

[Noisemaker]

5 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Now there's a job I don't think I'd want. Puma-oiler. 

Don't you like kitties?  Oh, wait, I was thinking about cougars...

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Last time I looked, all so called flight simulators are not actual simulators... they are simply flight sim 'games'... if anyone believes anything else they are simply deluded.

 

DCS A-10 is used by the USAF as a simulator for its pilots.

 

EDIT: oh, and: https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/dcs-contract-usaf-programme/

Your so-called flight-sim game isn't just a game any longer. ?

Edited November 13, 2022 by LukeFF

[AndyJWest]

Is it time for me to drag out my Venn diagram again?

[[CPT]Crunch]

Not so much for refinement of flight and procedures, but where our sims really shine is the ability to develop, experiment, and employ successful tactics in a combat environment.  That's always been the mark of a great flight sim for me, and why I so enjoy flying with my pals online.  That part is as real as it will ever get, weapons employment and surviving it all.  The fun part is the guys on the other end are up to the same gig, that makes it a true challenge, the unpredictability, what worked today may not work tomorrow as the sim gets refined and you and your enemy learn painful lessons.  Never a boring moment.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Actual military pilot would say that DCS is like 80 -85% of the real thing, but as it is a game it mainly entertain , doesn't simulate all "boring" but very important stuff.

Dogfights are actually just few % of the time of the  real pilot.

[Eisenfaustus]

3 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Now there's a job I don't think I'd want. Puma-oiler. 

The correct spelling of that profession is Panzergrenadier. 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

@Han 

Guys can you talk to FC map artist , the color of grass and forest is much a like, it blends together. What I researched the grass should have light shade of green. You capuret it right in Rise of Flight. Could it be changed ?

[sevenless]

12 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

The correct spelling of that profession is Panzergrenadier. 

 

Kein Mensch, kein Tier...

[Guest deleted@83466]

Lol, I think he meant pumice not puma.

[WVS-TheMowe]

Just give me my $250,000 u dull lame as ses so I can shot you all down.

[Trooper117]

[MisterSmith]

On 11/13/2022 at 10:55 AM, Trooper117 said:

 

Good on yer BOO... you got yourself up there into the blue... 

 

Me, one of the proudest moments of my life was after doing some 'touch and goes' with my flight instructor, he told me to land, then he got out, told me to do some more touch and goes until I got bored, shut the door and walked off... he then came running back and shouted ''and don't break it''. I had a smile a mile wide I can tell you!

 

 

Shh, you'll spoil it for all of the student pilots who aren't told this is generally how it happens in real life. Which is most of them. I was proud and a little intimidated as a teen when this happened.

 

Smith

[Lusekofte]

On 11/13/2022 at 6:15 PM, LukeFF said:

DCS A-10 is used by the USAF as a simulator for its pilots.

I’ve seen them use DCS and VR but I am not sure it is the same as we use. Same game an physics, yes probably the systems too. 
But I recall they used it for mission briefing as well. And that must mean better and more maps

[DBFlyguy]

On 11/13/2022 at 12:15 PM, LukeFF said:

 

 

 

EDIT: oh, and: https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/dcs-contract-usaf-programme/

 

Completely separate entity, has nothing to do with Eagle Dynamics or Digital Combat Simulation

https://www.dcscorp.com/

 

But yes, some A-10 units are using Digital Combat Simulation as a training aid for the A-10:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40620/a-10-warthog-pilots-are-using-the-digital-combat-simulator-video-game-to-train-in-vr

 

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/386384/355th-trs-implements-new-vr-simulators

 

 

 

[Photomatt]

THAT DORA 9 is GORGEOUS!

 

[viperGerson]

Ireally would like ani  mprovement on the communication between planes andbetweenplanes and control tower.

Also its nice to order your flight to attack specifcs planes during combat, for example, attack  fighters  ,   or,  attack bombers, like we used  to   do in the very first IL2

Thamks for  a great sim

[Frequent_Flyer]

4 hours ago, viperGerson said:

Ireally would like ani  mprovement on the communication between planes andbetweenplanes and control tower.

Also its nice to order your flight to attack specifcs planes during combat, for example, attack  fighters  ,   or,  attack bombers, like we used  to   do in the very first IL2

Thanks for  a great sim

Agreed! Not certain if it still holds true, however at one time the vast majority of IL-2 users were single  players off line. It would seem a very prudent use of resources to enhance the single player experience.  Receiving navigational assistance from the " control tower", and more commands for your flight would be top priority .Also, being able to request assistance from other friendly flights would add to my experience. Maybe they would be inclined to help, because when I request via radio for my flight to " cover me ", they seem to all be on a smoke break.

[Quax]

On 11/9/2022 at 10:02 PM, FlyingShark said:

Guys,

 

I don't want to sound to negative here but if the next theater is not part of this series, I'm afraid I won't be on board.

I have supported this series from the beginning, was there from RoF days and had great fun with both.

I have bought planes and theaters that I like and some that I found way less interesting but I still bought them to support the series.

However, I'm not gonna do that again and wait another so many years until my favorite planes get ready for release again.

I'll just stick to what I have in this series and eventually, when I'm done with it, find another hobby.

 

Have an nice day.

 

 

Did I miss something ? Who said the next theater is not part of this series ?