Luftwaffe Moscow campaign

[kostek]

Hi,

 

So i've just started Moscow campaign (01.10.1941) as Luftwaffe pilot. I've chosen I/JG51, and it says 109f2 and 109f4.

When i've checked squadron planes and depot, only 109f2 where available. I've fastforwarded time by taking some leave, and after 2 months still only F2 available, altough reports during my leave informed that some pilots from my squadron killed russians in F4s.

Can someone tell me why only F2 are available, what does "null" near plane mean and how to start campaign having both F2 and F4?

[Splash]

When you are in the pilot screen (where you accept the mission or scrub it).

Click on your aircraft, it should then open a drop down menu where you can change your aircraft.  See if a F4 is available.

 

Splash

[Jake]

It makes no difference whether you fly the F2 or F4. With the F2, you should only pay attention to the 20mm cannon.

The difference only becomes noticeable with the G variants.

[kostek]

4 hours ago, Splash said:

When you are in the pilot screen (where you accept the mission or scrub it).

Click on your aircraft, it should then open a drop down menu where you can change your aircraft.  See if a F4 is available.

 

Splash

 

Thx for replay. I've created new career, starting from 1.10.1941.

Going to mission screen, and the pilots, drop down plane, only F2 are available:

 

Depot report:

 

Squadron repot:

 

btw none of German squadrons have F4 available.

 

@Jakei think you should spend a little more time with ww2 flight sims there's a huuuuge difference between F2 and F4, and cannon is not it (it was i old Il2 with panzer laggs :D). Read a little bit about engines of both planes... mate it's even there for you in the description

 

Edit. even though other sq do not have f4s, in the report i can find:

Edited November 6, 2022 by kostek

[Splash]

I created a pilot that had the same date/Squadron as you. I put him on leave for 30 days (No F4) and then another 25 days until 25th Nov '41. I clicked on my F2 and a F4 was available to exchange in the drop down menu. 

 

You could also try the Equipment Request in the Activity tab and click on the drop down Select plane type to convert to......

 

Hope it helps

Splash

Edited November 6, 2022 by Splash

[kostek]

@Splashthanks for help. I quess i'll have to wait Also check on my last screenshot, guy from my sq, on F4

 

Btw. why full autopilot is not working on those missions? After t/o it just cut down the throttle, extend flaps.. and crushes - any clue?

[PatrickAWlson]

F4 starts becoming available on Oct 1 1941.  From that point it will be introduced over time.  This may be a little later than historical because I don't want it to be available during the faux BoB phase.

 

F2 production ceases on Dec 1 1941 and the type is withdrawn in April of 1942.   

 

New types will not become dominant on the day that they are introduced.  It takes a while for for the new types to get from the factory to the front.

[Jake]

4 hours ago, kostek said:

i think you should spend a little more time with ww2 flight sims

I have been doing that for many years. Ever since there have been flight simulators. 

 

4 hours ago, kostek said:

there's a huuuuge difference between F2 and F4

The 109 F2 had the 601N with 1175 hp
the 109 F4 had the 601E with 1350 hp
So 175 hp difference, which is hardly noticeable in this flight simulator.

OFF Topic end 

[FeuerFliegen]

On 11/6/2022 at 7:04 AM, Jake said:

It makes no difference whether you fly the F2 or F4. With the F2, you should only pay attention to the 20mm cannon.

The difference only becomes noticeable with the G variants.

 

 

I must disagree with this.  When I was brand new to this sim, I felt the same way (not zero difference, but thought there was minimal difference).  Now that I am more experienced, I greatly appreciate the F4 over the F2.  The extra engine power is well worth the tiny bit of extra weight.

[PatrickAWlson]

5 hours ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

 

 

I must disagree with this.  When I was brand new to this sim, I felt the same way (not zero difference, but thought there was minimal difference).  Now that I am more experienced, I greatly appreciate the F4 over the F2.  The extra engine power is well worth the tiny bit of extra weight.

 

I find the more powerful cannon is also important, especially since you only have one.  Every extra bit helps.

[Hotaru_Ito]

47 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I find the more powerful cannon is also important, especially since you only have one.  Every extra bit helps.

 

The gun makes a bigger difference than the engine against East '41-2 opponents. F2 and F4 both run circles around P-40s, MiGs, LaGGs, etc., especially novice AI ones, so F2 with 20mm gun is just as good as F4. Main advantage of the F4 is you can also put gun pods on it for hunting Peshkas and Sturmoviks.

 

On the Western front though, that extra little bit of horsepower does make a difference against RAF Spitfires and Hurricanes.