Now what?

[Hotaru_Ito]

2 hours ago, CountZero said:

Ok lets play this game again, so they said next dlc will have something new for team, what is that new thingy with late war east front dlc ?

 

Whatever is planned for the German side, presumably. Fw-190A-9 and Bf-109G-10 for sure, but what about the other three? Ta-152, Ju-188, He-177, Me-163, He-162, He-219, Ju-88R, Fieseler Storch, Fw-189, Do-335? Some are more plausible choices than others, but all of those would constitute "something new" in one sense or another.

 

"Not urban" doesn't totally rule it out either, Battle of Berlin didn't start till April '45, they could still do the Soviet advance through Eastern Europe right up till then, possibly with Berlin just off the edge of the map like Moscow.

 

Not saying you're wrong, mind, I agree that Italy '43 seems at least as likely as East '45 at this point if not more so. Just having fun speculating.

[DN308]

2 hours ago, DN308 said:

North Atlantic ? Condor, PBY, B-24 and escort carriers against long range LW and U-Boots? 

 

57 minutes ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

Clearly it will be IL2 ASW (Anti Submarine Warfare that is) ?

Ok, maybe no carriers, but if something new, we could imagine a boat centered simulation with some planes above. Most of them AI flown (4 propeller bombers and patrollers)

[zan64]

24 minutes ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

 

 

 

"Not urban" doesn't totally rule it out either, Battle of Berlin didn't start till April '45, they could still do the Soviet advance through Eastern Europe right up till then, possibly with Berlin just off the edge of the map like Moscow.

battle over the oder-neisse, and battle of berlin itself, did have a lot of air combat

[Bell]

I really want to see Japanese aircraft in the game...So many years passed...

[Bonnot]

5 hours ago, DN308 said:

Burma is not in the Pacific

......But Japanese/Zero/Betty etc...where In ....maybe even some F4U (?)

[DN308]

2 hours ago, Bonnot said:

......But Japanese/Zero/Betty etc...where In ....maybe even some F4U (?)

You’ve got the point ?

[Bonnot]

9 hours ago, CountZero said:

....and where are the heavy bombers who made the difference, the long range/big guns fleet artillery,  the US/UK armor :  tanks and auxillary and above all, the "poor bloody Infantery" who endured such predicaments ??????

That makes probably Normandy a foot and guns challenge  or -best- a combined ops

You are perfectly right and I share this, so I complain regularly  here and there about the lack of ground "presence" in IL (including TC).........

But  in BoN and BoBP, the Luftwaffe, RAF and USAF  were continuously fighting up to may 1945  when, for Italy, the most interesting Air actions were in NorthAfrica, Malta and Sicily until winter 1943.....after that Italian planes were almost absent, and luftwaffe was minimal.

Great air actions were roughly 75%  over Fortress Europa and inland Germany, all Mediterranean theater being a backseat.

Anyway I love the idea of a Mediterranean BoXXX   -  if it begins 1940 and includes NA, Greece, Kreta, Malta etc......?

[Aapje]

For the Q&A, I'd like an answer to the question how much work it is to implement temporal upscaling (DLSS 2 & FSR 2) and whether they are considering this. In practice this probably boils down to how hard it is to generate motion vectors from the game engine.

 

This could be a big boon to people with poorer hardware and especially VR.

[Props]

2 hours ago, Bonnot said:

......But Japanese/Zero/Betty etc...where In ....maybe even some F4U (?)

Actually, these 3 aircraft were not involved in Burma. That was a totally Japanese Army Air Force theater along with the RAF and USAAF so you'd be looking at Ki-43, KI-21 bombers, some Ki-44s, P-40s, P51B, Buffaloes, Spits, lots of Hurricanes, etc. Not that Burma wouldn't be fun just noting.

 

Of course New Guinea would be great: no urban areas, no need for carriers, and as it progressed we get Ki-61, Ki-84, Ki43III and 44's, and early on there was some A6m2-21's involved too. Plus later in the campaign the US Navy was involved too so we could get the F6F, TBMs and F4Us as well. 

 

But I fear they are headed back to the Eastern Front or even early war like the Nomonhan Incident in Manchuria. It's all just speculation until we hear from the team.

[ITAF_Rani]

After all our desires/ hopes....

Only Devs Know, only Devs will decide..

So I hope the 9th of November,the new DLC will be announced in order to give our minds a rest after all these conjectures ?

.

[Trooper117]

Could be a small war going on in that office... it was said in a previous interview that they had already decided what was next, and that they were excited about it.

If that's the case it would do no harm at all to have told us days ago... I wonder why?. They have already spilled the beans that it's underway... was that intentional?

 

[DBFlyguy]

8 hours ago, CountZero said:

Ok lets play this game again, so they said next dlc will have something new for team, what is that new thingy with late war east front dlc ?

 

I just love how you assume your definition of "new" is their definition of "new" .... You know what they say about assumptions right ? In this case, I REALLY hope your right though....

 

10 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

They can make what they want, but we get to decide how/if to spend our money.

Very true and I've already made my decision if its more eastern front.

 

7 hours ago, DN308 said:

Burma is not in the Pacific

As far as WWII it is.  It'd be great if it was the China Burma India theatre, I think that would be a much needed change of pace but these devs have already stated they believe that a pacific theatre battle "needs" carriers which they also aren't willing to "risk" making ... so I wouldn't hold out hope on the CBI, would love to be wrong though....

[dburne]

As long as 1CGS continues to provide a very good single player experience I will support them by ordering whatever next theater they announce is.

Combat flight sims for the PC are niche enough, they need all the support they can get.

[BlitzPig_EL]

CBI would be outstanding.  It's a theatre that has never been given it's due in flight simulation. So many different aircraft types, from early to late war, over an amazing variety of terrain. 

[CountZero]

48 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

I just love how you assume your definition of "new" is their definition of "new" .... You know what they say about assumptions right ? In this case, I REALLY hope your right though....

 

Very true and I've already made my decision if its more eastern front.

 

As far as WWII it is.  It'd be great if it was the China Burma India theatre, I think that would be a much needed change of pace but these devs have already stated they believe that a pacific theatre battle "needs" carriers which they also aren't willing to "risk" making ... so I wouldn't hold out hope on the CBI, would love to be wrong though....

but what is something new for team in any available east front dlc? atleast ther is something team didnt do in sicily 43, and it fits all criterias they said

 

6 hours ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

 

Whatever is planned for the German side, presumably. Fw-190A-9 and Bf-109G-10 for sure, but what about the other three? Ta-152, Ju-188, He-177, Me-163, He-162, He-219, Ju-88R, Fieseler Storch, Fw-189, Do-335? Some are more plausible choices than others, but all of those would constitute "something new" in one sense or another.

 

"Not urban" doesn't totally rule it out either, Battle of Berlin didn't start till April '45, they could still do the Soviet advance through Eastern Europe right up till then, possibly with Berlin just off the edge of the map like Moscow.

 

Not saying you're wrong, mind, I agree that Italy '43 seems at least as likely as East '45 at this point if not more so. Just having fun speculating.

So you have to do it with map east of berlin, then you cant have me-163, he-162, Do-335... So again what is something new that team didnt do in that DLC ? differant type of tree ? new mud road texture... 

 

 

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Could be a small war going on in that office... it was said in a previous interview that they had already decided what was next, and that they were excited about it.

If that's the case it would do no harm at all to have told us days ago... I wonder why?. They have already spilled the beans that it's underway... was that intentional?

 

Probably not everything is picked , maybe map area or airplane types or timeline and so on...

 

4 hours ago, Bonnot said:

You are perfectly right and I share this, so I complain regularly  here and there about the lack of ground "presence" in IL (including TC).........

But  in BoN and BoBP, the Luftwaffe, RAF and USAF  were continuously fighting up to may 1945  when, for Italy, the most interesting Air actions were in NorthAfrica, Malta and Sicily until winter 1943.....after that Italian planes were almost absent, and luftwaffe was minimal.

Great air actions were roughly 75%  over Fortress Europa and inland Germany, all Mediterranean theater being a backseat.

Anyway I love the idea of a Mediterranean BoXXX   -  if it begins 1940 and includes NA, Greece, Kreta, Malta etc......?

So thats why next DLC is Sicily+ Malta with 43 planset, with airplanes in game map can be used for earlyer battles in area and up to capitulation of Italy. Thats why no one is sugesting its Anzio 44 or Late Italy 45 and so on... Its area that fits and have use. Also Lufftwafe was nonexistant in west front in late war, and we have BoN and BoBp with fantasy where Germans have so many airplanes in air... didnt stop ppl to buy and play with unhistorical amount of german opositions in air in SP or to worser amount in MP. 

Edited November 5, 2022 by CountZero

[Lusekofte]

All topics about future is hot, in special if it is a negative feel to it. 
 

what we be offered is unknown, why not just wait for the official declaration and then start to complain 

[CountZero]

1 minute ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

All topics about future is hot, in special if it is a negative feel to it. 
 

what we be offered is unknown, why not just wait for the official declaration and then start to complain 

LOL are you new to forum, wait insted guess... whats the point in that, especialy in topic named now what ?

 

[Lusekofte]

1 minute ago, CountZero said:

LOL are you new to forum, wait insted guess... whats the point in that, especialy in topic named now what ?

 

I was a member from the first day, probably the most banned individual still active too. 

[CountZero]

6 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

I was a member from the first day, probably the most banned individual still active too. 

it was more of rhetorical question, i can see your not new

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

For as long as I can remember, the quick mission screen shows Japan as "axis" nation.  Gave me the impression they intended to include Japanese planes at some point.   

[CountZero]

8 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

For as long as I can remember, the quick mission screen shows Japan as "axis" nation.  Gave me the impression they intended to include Japanese planes at some point.   

They didnt say never, they said not next DLC...

[danielprates]

18 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

At this point, that's a negative, not a plus.

We want something new...no sorta new.

 

17 hours ago, CountZero said:

Because its already obvious next DLC is Sicily 43. No point in posting about it anymore. Only question is what 10 airplanes for it will devs select, and what other 10 they had to select and so on.

 

Heads or tails?

[BladeMeister]

1 hour ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

All topics about future is hot, in special if it is a negative feel to it. 
 

what we be offered is unknown, why not just wait for the official declaration and then start to complain 

No, it is much more fun to complain now, and then we can complain after the announcement also. It's like getting a two for one at the grocery store!

 

S!Blade<><

[CountZero]

2 minutes ago, danielprates said:

 

 

Heads or tails?

If im not mistaken something new for him is Korea, because PTO they already said is not next DLC, and nothing els in WW2 is new anymore for him.

So are we realy to belive they gona abandon WW2 and do Korea, when there is still things to do in ww2... lets be realsitic its Sicily 43.

I wont Midway, but i see its not next DLC, i expected Channel 43 before their enigma video, after it and all whats said then, i see it cant be what i wont, so add all whats said its clear it can only be Sicily 43. It cant be Izrael Arab war 48, it cant be MiG Ally 53 it cant be Spain 39 , it cant be Berlin 45 or Leningrad 44 or Murmansk, Romania, Casablanca, Madagascar, Norway, Britain and so on... when you lisen what they said it can only be Sicily 43... ?

 

[danielprates]

There is "possible", there is "wishful" and there is "unlikely/near impossible". And then there is "oh come on man!"

 

- Possible: anywhere italy, 42/43 across the channel (circus, ruibarb etc)

 

- Wishful: landbased PTO, BoB regardless of CloD (or med for the same reason)

 

- Unlikelly: carrierbased PTO, 4-engine strategic bombing

 

- "oh come on man": another redundant ETO wiith yaks, LAs, bfs, fws, landleases etc.

Edited November 5, 2022 by danielprates

[Calos_01]

8 hours ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

Clearly it will be IL2 ASW (Anti Submarine Warfare that is) ?

Be sure it will come with another rocket firing platform

 

[Bonnot]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

Also Lufftwafe was nonexistant in west front in late war, and we have BoN and BoBp with fantasy where Germans have so many airplanes in air... didnt stop ppl to buy and play with unhistorical amount of german opositions in air in SP or to worser amount in MP. 

......Luftwaffe was weaker and weaker.......but what remains was more dangerous as ever : just read memories like Clostermann  "Big Show"  or  Galland,  then watch statistics of losses in RAF or USAF !

[Leftenant_Soap]

13 minutes ago, Calos_01 said:

<snip>

hot

[danielprates]

18 minutes ago, Bonnot said:

......Luftwaffe was weaker and weaker.......but what remains was more dangerous as ever : just read memories like Clostermann  "Big Show"  or  Galland,  then watch statistics of losses in RAF or USAF !

 

Yeah one argument I always considered a poor one, is "by then the LW was inactive". Doesnt matter, we can have a decent sim with equal odds even if in RL the odds were 99% against 1%. As long as the period planes really existed.

[Eisenfaustus]

12 minutes ago, Bonnot said:

......Luftwaffe was weaker and weaker.......but what remains was more dangerous as ever : just read memories like Clostermann  "Big Show"  or  Galland,  then watch statistics of losses in RAF or USAF !

Hm - didn‘t read Clostermann yet what I read about him suggest his work has a higher entertainment value then information. 
 

Galland paints a picture of a Luftwaffe in which stainless fighter pilots were misused and mistreated and thus doomed to fail by forces beyond their control. I find his book interesting to read yet one should always be very critical when a general writes about how something wasn’t his fault. 
 

If you’re actually interested in the state of German dayfighters in the last year of the war I can recommend Axel Urbanke‘s book about the III/JG54. This Gruppe propably performed better then most in those days - yet he shows young men sent into the slaughter house unprepared and without any recognisable concept on what to achieve realisically. 

[Aapje]

58 minutes ago, Bonnot said:

......Luftwaffe was weaker and weaker.......but what remains was more dangerous as ever : just read memories like Clostermann  "Big Show"  or  Galland,  then watch statistics of losses in RAF or USAF !

It doesn't make for a good game on the allied side when there are so few targets of opportunity. And it becomes rather one-sided on the German side when every mission is about sneaking up on unsuspecting enemies and then getting away before you are overwhelmed.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Bonnot said:

......Luftwaffe was weaker and weaker.......but what remains was more dangerous as ever : just read memories like Clostermann  "Big Show"  or  Galland,  then watch statistics of losses in RAF or USAF !

And compared to 40-41-42-43 west front, axis air force was mutch less, im just pointing out from start that what you say is problem with Italy, is same problems with west front, so if you can fined it ok in late west front and bon and bobp how come its problem in Italy front, and its most active part of that front in 43, not later parts that are still seing good action in air as west front see in 45 we already have in game. 

Edited November 5, 2022 by CountZero

[sevenless]

42 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

If you’re actually interested in the state of German dayfighters in the last year of the war I can recommend Axel Urbanke‘s book about the III/JG54. This Gruppe propably performed better then most in those days - yet he shows young men sent into the slaughter house unprepared and without any recognisable concept on what to achieve realisically. 

 

Completely agree. If you are capable to read german language add Dortenmann´s "Fliegers" to the mix to get the whole picture. Very eye opening.

 

https://www.amazon.de/Dortenmanns-Fliegers-Ritterkreuzträgers-Staffelkapitän-Reichsverteidigung/dp/3938845740

[Lusekofte]

Luftwaffe late war in this game will not be weak TA 152 and various jets 

and a lot of willing pilots

[danielprates]

20 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

At this point, that's a negative, not a plus.

We want something new...no sorta new.

 

I am super interested to read what @Gambit21's bet is on a really-new-and-not--merely- "sort'of--new" thing would be.

Edited November 5, 2022 by danielprates

[Aapje]

23 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

Luftwaffe late war in this game will not be weak TA 152 and various jets 

and a lot of willing pilots

Willing but poorly trained and mostly inexperienced.

[Trooper117]

1 hour ago, danielprates said:

There is "possible", there is "wishful" and there is "unlikely/near impossible". And then there is "oh come on man!"

 

- Possible: anywhere italy, 42/43 across the channel (circus, ruibarb etc)

 

- Wishful: landbased PTO, BoB regardless of CloD (or med for the same reason)

 

- Unlikelly: carrierbased PTO, 4-engine strategic bombing

 

- "oh come on man": another redundant ETO wiith yaks, LAs, bfs, fws, landleases etc.

 

You missed out a 'possible'... Korea!

When the dev's have said more than once they would like to do Korea... and from the horses mouth at that, then it's entirely possible.

[danielprates]

22 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

You missed out a 'possible'... Korea!

When the dev's have said more than once they would like to do Korea... and from the horses mouth at that, then it's entirely possible.

 

I for one would love that. Early jets, machineguns/cannons, great map... 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Korea is problematic in that the USN and Royal Navy would not be there as they flew from carriers.  So, what we would have in the end are just Mig 15s vs. F80, F84, and F86, and for a short time Yak 9s and La11s vs F51s and F82s, with some A26s thrown in for good measure.

 

Ground attack would be utterly lopsided as after the first couple weeks of the conflict the North Koreans had no ability to carry out attack missions.  From a "fun" game play perspective Korea has many issues, unless all jet combat is your thing.  Won't make for a good single player experience I would think.

[Eisenfaustus]

10 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

So, what we would have in the end are just Mig 15s vs. F80, F84, and F86

Yep - and this is conflict with the dev‘s hint, that next release will again be prop centric. 
Having jets that were „also there“ like me262 or ar234 is one thing - but when jets become the vital assets with which the air war is waged „prop based“ becomes really stretched.