Megane X Headset - Micro OLED, Pancake Lenses. Uses Steam VR tracking

[dburne]

Finally we see an OLED headset inbound. Should be available in December.

And it's native PC-VR!

 

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by dburne

[BOO]

More Steampunk than SteamVR

[Dagwoodyt]

So is it available December 2022 or 2023? Seems like both were stated.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

So is it available December 2022 or 2023? Seems like both were stated.

 

Yeah I heard that as well and got a little confused, my take away was 2022 but who knows. From what I saw it did not appear he was only couple of months away.

Edited October 23, 2022 by dburne

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

10 hours ago, BOO said:

More Steampunk than SteamVR

It got style now we just need leather jackets with some chrome

[Barn-Owl]

Yeah, an M16, flak jacket, combat boots and you are off to the war..... lol

[AngleOff66]

I like it.

 

The velcro strap should help with head sizing.

 

Fov is approx 104?

 

Am i wrong in thinking that it would be cooler temperature wise to wear?

 

 

Have to wait to see testing.

 

 

[Talisman]

Did not look very user friendly for folks wearing glasses.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[[CPT]Crunch]

Miss the colors from the old Samsung O+, this is one I'm looking forward too.   OLED's are gorgeous, in 5K with a good FOV, nice.

2 minutes ago, Talisman said:

Did not look very user friendly for folks wearing glasses.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

That's the thing, they have independently adjustable diopters, you won't need the glasses.

[AngleOff66]

I think that these are the lenses?

 

https://www.kopin.com/kopin-corporation-announces-all-plastic-pancake-optics-with-excellent-performance/

 

Kopin’s world’s first all-plastic Pancake optics (named P95) optimized for Kopin’s 1.3″ 2.6K x 2.6K OLED microdisplay provide a large field of view (equivalent to > 200 inches viewed from 3-m distance) and offer better image quality, much smaller size, lighter weight and lower cost than anything previously available.

[Dagwoodyt]

41 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Miss the colors from the old Samsung O+, this is one I'm looking forward too.   OLED's are gorgeous, in 5K with a good FOV, nice.

That's the thing, they have independently adjustable diopters, you won't need the glasses.

As a marketing strategy the Megane X would seem an obvious purchase for current Valve Index users.

[Chilli_40]

I like the look! Here's a little clearer info on the headset.

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by chilli40

[Talisman]

On 10/24/2022 at 3:36 PM, [CPT]Crunch said:

Miss the colors from the old Samsung O+, this is one I'm looking forward too.   OLED's are gorgeous, in 5K with a good FOV, nice.

That's the thing, they have independently adjustable diopters, you won't need the glasses.

Really!  That would be great.  Thanks, I did not realise that.  Thanks for responding.  

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[AngleOff66]

Another review. Reviewer feels that the fov is closer to 95. hmm.

 

https://skarredghost.com/2022/10/26/shiftall-meganex-hands-on/ 

 

Edit: some discussion about deep eye sockets possibly being an issue?

 

I wonder if it really will be released in 2022?

 

I will wait for testing reviews. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by AngleOff66

[simfan2015]

I don't know if any PC-wired headset can be called "next-gen" in 2023 if the Quest 3 and PICO 5 will be around by then !?

Also, FOV is around 95 and picture seems quite dark ... OLED instead of LCD ???

[kissTheSky]

14 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

I don't know if any PC-wired headset can be called "next-gen" in 2023 if the Quest 3 and PICO 5 will be around by then !?

Also, FOV is around 95 and picture seems quite dark ... OLED instead of LCD ???

I consider this to be a naïve comment, no offense.

 

Next gen is not the means thru the headset is connected but the screen type, FOV, dynamic foveated rendering (aka dynamic rendering with eye tracking), active IPD adjustment and built-in diopter adjustment while keeping the size similar IF NOT smaller in my mind. 
 

But that’s just me. As seated VR use is 90% of my use case, I could not care less about thethered/un-tethered (or inside-out vs outside-in tracking for that matter).

[simfan2015]

VR is never going to become mainstream if high-end VR headsets are tethered and feel on your head and face like a burden instead of a joy.

I have a PICO 4 and although it is not heavy, not big as headsets tend to be, even in 2022, I know it could all still become

 far better for me, personally, to get truly immersed in any sim or game.

Wires are only 1 of the things that have to go, so is that "diver's helmet" we have all come to accept as ... the new normal !

Next-Gen is a kind of breakthru, unlike anything I have seen so far ... but until today I did not experience that 'iphone' moment as I had more than 10 years ago.

YMMV  

[dburne]

1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

VR is never going to become mainstream if high-end VR headsets are tethered and feel on your head and face like a burden instead of a joy.

I have a PICO 4 and although it is not heavy, not big as headsets tend to be, even in 2022, I know it could all still become

 far better for me, personally, to get truly immersed in any sim or game.

Wires are only 1 of the things that have to go, so is that "diver's helmet" we have all come to accept as ... the new normal !

Next-Gen is a kind of breakthru, unlike anything I have seen so far ... but until today I did not experience that 'iphone' moment as I had more than 10 years ago.

YMMV  

 

I personally do not feel it will become what I would consider "mainstream" until it can be worn like sunglasses and accomplish much of what a cell phone does today. 

[chiliwili69]

It seems that they will finally release with standard (1699$) and business edition (no price yet):

 

Interesing thing is the weight, pancake lenses, resolution, Micro OLED, two tracking methods.

But my fear is the FOV!!??? and refresh rate (120Hz??!!) they didn´t give a clue.

If it is 120Hz it will be impossible for IL-2 to reach that.

 

 

https://www.roadtovr.com/panasonic-shiftall-meganex-release-price/

[AngleOff66]

Well, that is a bit more than I expected.

 

Thanks for posting it.

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

On 1/5/2023 at 4:54 AM, chiliwili69 said:

 

But my fear is the FOV!!??? and refresh rate (120Hz??!!) they didn´t give a clue.

If it is 120Hz it will be impossible for IL-2 to reach that.

 

 

https://www.roadtovr.com/panasonic-shiftall-meganex-release-price/

It may be possible to run at 120 Hz with a 4090......

I am running a Varjo Aero at 90Hz native, with IL2, and it has 15 - 20% more pixels than the MeganeX.  I am  running the Aero at 37ppd with MSAA x2 using a 5800X3D CPU.

MeganeX comments
I am however not so impressed with no diopter being fitted on the MeganeX version. The price is well above what they were implying before Xmas as well.

[chiliwili69]

1 hour ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

It may be possible to run at 120 Hz with a 4090......

 

The problem would the CPU to run at 120Hz with relatively good settings. In some sources they say "up to 120Hz", but not sure if other modes are supported.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Yeah, their own guys were saying a December release for a $900 area pricing back in October.  Now no diopter adjustments on the consumer version and nearly doubling of the price, I'll wait for a generic brand of these, seen some very similar in specs and design lay out being worked on by other parties. 

[chiliwili69]

 

 

In minute 5:48 the guys from Meganex (10 months ago) said that it was runing at 90Hz, and also they were trying for 120Hz.  So, this is good to know.

 

Another interesting thing of this device is the individual IPD ajustment for each eye. So, for asymetrical faces (the beauty ones like mine) this is a good point.

 

My only concern is now the FOV.

[kissTheSky]

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

 

In minute 5:48 the guys from Meganex (10 months ago) said that it was runing at 90Hz, and also they were trying for 120Hz.  So, this is good to know.

 

Another interesting thing of this device is the individual IPD ajustment for each eye. So, for asymetrical faces (the beauty ones like mine) this is a good point.

 

My only concern is now the FOV.

I too have asymmetric IPD (by 0.5mm, but still) and it would be nice to have. Also, a diopter adjustment would be welcome for the times when I want to take the contact lenses off. 

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

3 hours ago, kissTheSky said:

I too have asymmetric IPD (by 0.5mm, but still) and it would be nice to have. Also, a diopter adjustment would be welcome for the times when I want to take the contact lenses off. 

The diopter option has been removed from the gaming version and will only be available on the as yet unpriced 'Business' version.

One of the Youtubers commented that having the diopter option reduced the FOV.  My suspicion is that the FOV is already on the small side and that Shiftall have had to remove it as a negative tradeoff related to the form factor of the glasses. This is a HUGE negative for me as I wear glasses and they could not be used in lieu of the dioptre.

 

It may be possible to produce inserts but the form factor may even come into play with even doing that.

 

Rats, am a OLED fan and liked the form factor but this headset is shaping up as a no go.

[kissTheSky]

25 minutes ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

The diopter option has been removed from the gaming version and will only be available on the as yet unpriced 'Business' version.

One of the Youtubers commented that having the diopter option reduced the FOV.  My suspicion is that the FOV is already on the small side and that Shiftall have had to remove it as a negative tradeoff related to the form factor of the glasses. This is a HUGE negative for me as I wear glasses and they could not be used in lieu of the dioptre.

 

It may be possible to produce inserts but the form factor may even come into play with even doing that.

 

Rats, am a OLED fan and liked the form factor but this headset is shaping up as a no go.

Yeah, I’ve seen the diopter change in the consumer version. 

[chiliwili69]

Unfortunately seems the device is not ready yet...

 

 

[dburne]

Most aren't lol. They are following the Pimax model. Seriously why these devs dont' wait till they actually ready to take orders and go into production is beyond me. It is all hype train for most of them. 

[chiliwili69]

4 minutes ago, dburne said:

Most aren't lol. They are following the Pimax model. Seriously why these devs dont' wait till they actually ready to take orders and go into production is beyond me. It is all hype train for most of them.

 

Yes, all these small companies start-ups need that model to get investment and grow. Pimax and even oculus was doing the same in the past.

Valve instead launched the product when you were able to order it. And it was rock solid.

I hope they will do the same with the Deckard, if they dedice to launch it in this century.

 

 

[dburne]

6 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Yes, all these small companies start-ups need that model to get investment and grow. Pimax and even oculus was doing the same in the past.

Valve instead launched the product when you were able to order it. And it was rock solid.

I hope they will do the same with the Deckard, if they dedice to launch it in this century.

 

 

 

Yeah but I don't think Oculus did with their first official CV1.

 

[[CPT]Crunch]

Panasonic showed the first prototype at CES two years ago and was already hyping it prior, and than they dumped it on a brand new sub division two years later should be a clue all was never well.  Panasonic isn't exactly a small company with shallow pockets.  The look of this thing has gone through many redesigns, not surprised it has problems.  They never really figured out where their goal was to be with this thing either, the posts kept changing.

[Drum]

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Edited January 11, 2023 by Drum

[Dagwoodyt]

really....? ?

[spreckair]

@Dagwoodyt  Now that looks like a vintage fighter pilot, oxygen mask and all.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Makes you wonder, they give you flip hand controllers so you can eat or drink freely, than slap a muzzle on you so you can't do either at all.  Weird.

[firdimigdi]

You can hear the strain in the reporter's voice to not say "shitfall".

[Dagwoodyt]

Even if the HMD is a "non-starter" it helps the company advertise other products?

[chiliwili69]

This is delayed from April-23 to July-23:

[[CPT]Crunch]

Is this the tenth delay or eleventh in the last three years?  Production will be rapidly ramping up starting in July for an early 2029 release.