4090 vs 3080 using SYN_Vander benchmark results with 5800x CPU

[MilitantPotato]

These are for the 19.5mp VR benchmarks using a Reverb G2

 

3080 results:

2022-10-17 12:51:25 - Il-2
Frames: 4418 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 73.633 - Min: 55 - Max: 91

2022-10-17 12:53:53 - Il-2
Frames: 4184 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 69.733 - Min: 55 - Max: 91

 

4090 results:
 

2022-10-20 11:50:09 - Il-2
Frames: 4487 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 74.783 - Min: 58 - Max: 91

2022-10-20 11:56:19 - Il-2
Frames: 4380 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 73.000 - Min: 56 - Max: 91


This game is completely CPU bound above 60fps ?

I copied all the settings he requires and i'll add my results and more detailed specs to his benchmark list, but a silly result.


System specs:

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by MilitantPotato
added system specs

[sevenless]

Thanks for these results. So I can spare me the hassle to even think about the 4000 series. Better to invest next year into a i9-13900k CPU. More bang for the buck.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

? Whoa

[MilitantPotato]

This game is stupidly CPU bound.

 

I can almost double my super sampling with the 4090 and still get better frame times and really high ingame settings

7 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Thanks for these results. So I can spare me the hassle to even think about the 4000 series. Better to invest next year into a i9-13900k CPU. More bang for the buck.

13900 is looking pretty disappointing, i'm hoping 7000x3d does something exciting, since everything available these days won't hold 90fps in il2

Edited October 20, 2022 by MilitantPotato

[sevenless]

3 minutes ago, MilitantPotato said:

This game is stupidly CPU bound.

 

I can almost double my super sampling with the 4090 and still get better frame times and really high ingame settings

13900 is looking pretty disappointing, i'm hoping 7000x3d does something exciting, since everything available these days won't hold 90fps in il2

 

Well I can tell you I am no AMD Fan. Never have been and a lot has to happen until I become one. I'm on a I9-9900K and 3070 right now. So I feel no "need" to upgrade.

[MilitantPotato]

I can run 250% super sampling on the G2 now with most settings at max, before I was lucky to get 80% (45fps goal)

[sevenless]

4 minutes ago, MilitantPotato said:

I can run 250% super sampling on the G2 now with most settings at max, before I was lucky to get 80% (45fps goal)

 

So basically it (4090) would make sense for 4K and higher res to get max details smoothed out at around 60 FPS and also for VR at max details around 60 FPS, but it won't help with increasing FPS because that is CPU limited due to the engine. Do I understand that interpretation correctly?

[Capt_Hook]

Whoa indeed.  I'd certainly expect this with DCS, but I'd have thought the 4090 upgrade would have had more FPS impact.  Now in not so much of a hurry to upgrade the 3090, but definitely looking to up the 3900X to either the current 5800X3D or wait for the 7X3D, as Militant suggests.  

[MilitantPotato]

18 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

So basically it (4090) would make sense for 4K and higher res to get max details smoothed out at around 60 FPS and also for VR at max details around 60 FPS, but it won't help with increasing FPS because that is CPU limited due to the engine. Do I understand that interpretation correctly?

Exactly.  I wouldn't try to run il-2 in VR any higher than 60fps until we get CPUs that are much faster in il-2. Current stuff seems about 10-40% faster than my 5800x, so not quite there yet, or just barely meeting its single core needs.

13 minutes ago, Capt_Hook said:

Whoa indeed.  I'd certainly expect this with DCS, but I'd have thought the 4090 upgrade would have had more FPS impact.  Now in not so much of a hurry to upgrade the 3090, but definitely looking to up the 3900X to either the current 5800X3D or wait for the 7X3D, as Militant suggests.  

The bump in image quality I'm getting from the 4090 is unbelievable.  Looks better than a 4k screen.  The benchmark setup Vander is using really is CPU bound for the newer cards (anything past like 3060ti levels.)  I'm getting almost double the pixels at a better frametime from initial testing.

Edited October 20, 2022 by MilitantPotato

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

40 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Well I can tell you I am no AMD Fan. Never have been and a lot has to happen until I become one. I'm on a I9-9900K and 3070 right now. So I feel no "need" to upgrade.

A Ryzen 5800X3D would net you 40-45 frames in the cpu test here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJmnz_nVxI6_dG_UYNCCpZVK2-f8NBy-y1gia77Hu_k/edit#gid=1266758920. The 9900K isn't even remotely as good as current notebook chips like the M2, i9-12900h, or AMD Ryzen 6900HX: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-12900H&id=4728

 

I9:9900K: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-9900K+%40+3.60GHz&id=3334

 

5800X3D: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800X3D&id=4823

 

If you upgraded to current tech, you'd be pleasantly surprised.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by drewm3i-VR

[56RAF_Roke]

Well, I've not benchmarked it in Il2 yet, but I got a 4090 list week.

 

I try to run my G2 at 90hz. I use a 5800X3D and have upgraded from a 3080.

 

For me it's made a big difference which the results above don't do justice to. Essentially I can run at Ultra now instead of High, without the fholger mod (which had been essential to me), at full res with extreme clouds, max draw distances and msaax2. 

 

The game looks much better as a result - really great in fact- and generally stays at 90hz which would not have been possible before.

 

In some situations the CPU bottleneck will rear it's head... Something that can be a little inconsistent in multiplayer as well. Sometimes a busy airfield online will run smooth as glass, other times it will not for example.

 

But overall I am really, really pleased. I would recommend to anyone daft/committed enough to buy one.

 

Roke 

 

 

 

[sevenless]

5 minutes ago, drewm3i-VR said:

If you upgraded to current tech, you'd be pleasantly surprised.

 

Yep I know. I upgraded two years ago to my i9-9900K from my old i7-2700K. That was an eyeopener.

[MilitantPotato]

55 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roke said:

 

 

But overall I am really, really pleased. I would recommend to anyone daft/committed enough to buy one.

 

Roke 

 

 

 

I cannot believe the quality i'm able to run this game at now. I wish there was a way to do a before and after screen shot of VR.  No shimmer, no jagged planes, no aliasing, cockpit geometry is so smooth it feels real. Completely impressed with these new cards.  

 

6000x5800 90fps is *easily* obtainable with mostly maxed settings and 2x MSAA 

Edited October 20, 2022 by MilitantPotato

[dburne]

2 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Well I can tell you I am no AMD Fan. Never have been and a lot has to happen until I become one. I'm on a I9-9900K and 3070 right now. So I feel no "need" to upgrade.

 

Yep same here with my 9900k and 3090 GPU. Going to hang tight with it probably for another year or so.

[kissTheSky]

I think I’ll get a new move and a 12900k as a stop gap for the time being.
 

What @MilitantPotatoand @56RAF_Roke Are describing seems like what I felt when I upped my 2080S to 3090 on the current system (10700K). 

[chiliwili69]

20 hours ago, MilitantPotato said:

This game is stupidly CPU bound

 

It is not only the CPU. It is also the WMR software associated.

For example with the Index, with my modest 5600X and 3080 I am able to reach 85fps in the VRTest1 and 82 in the VRTest2.

[firdimigdi]

2 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

It is not only the CPU. It is also the WMR software associated.

 

Maybe the WMR for SteamVR bridge? Easily tested if @MilitantPotato is willing to switch to OpenComposite and use OpenXR instead.

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

On 10/21/2022 at 6:01 AM, MilitantPotato said:

These are for the 19.5mp VR benchmarks using a Reverb G2

 

3080 results:

2022-10-17 12:51:25 - Il-2
Frames: 4418 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 73.633 - Min: 55 - Max: 91

2022-10-17 12:53:53 - Il-2
Frames: 4184 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 69.733 - Min: 55 - Max: 91

 

4090 results:
 

2022-10-20 11:50:09 - Il-2
Frames: 4487 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 74.783 - Min: 58 - Max: 91

2022-10-20 11:56:19 - Il-2
Frames: 4380 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 73.000 - Min: 56 - Max: 91


This game is completely CPU bound above 60fps ?

I copied all the settings he requires and i'll add my results and more detailed specs to his benchmark list, but a silly result.


System specs:

 

Bit surprised at how low your average fps figure is for the 4090 and have looked at your PC specs and RAM timing. Cannot see any obvious issues there, they look very good.

Just checked my results for a 5800X with similar RAM to you and a RTX 3090 and was averaging 84 fps with a HP G2 in the VR2 SYN_Vander benchmark.  I would have expected that the 4090 would have at least equaled that result. 

I have since moved onto a Varjo Aero and will no longer be able to re-run tests for the HP G2.

The results you quoted are more in line with with what i was achieving with a 10700K CPU that I tossed as it really struggled with IL2.

[MilitantPotato]

I'll test both a valve index and OpenXR at some point soon. OpenXR's motion smoothing is pretty subpar, and it does something weird with LODs I cant quite figure out that makes most things pretty soft, which sharpening didn't fix. The ability to tweak the image similar to reshade was pretty nice, though.

2 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Bit surprised at how low your average fps figure is for the 4090 and have looked at your PC specs and RAM timing. Cannot see any obvious issues there, they look very good.
 

Yea, I was expecting better to be honest, but there's folks with 5800X3Ds and 5600Xs that have similar results. Not sure what the issue is, as my 3Dmark scores are very high for both CPU and GPU vs others with the same hardware.

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

1 hour ago, MilitantPotato said:

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Yea, I was expecting better to be honest, but there's folks with 5800X3Ds and 5600Xs that have similar results. Not sure what the issue is, as my 3Dmark scores are very high for both CPU and GPU vs others with the same hardware.

Do you have any background processes that could be stealing some of your CPU processing power?

I.e. MSI Afterburner etc. I use tools like that to set overclocks and then shut them down.
These overclocks were very modest as I have a power limited RTX 3090 fitted.
Not a fan of Nortons or McAfee antivirus either, in the past I have found them to be CPU resource hogs.

Your hardware specs look pretty good so I would be monitoring what software or monitoring tools may be 'White Anting' your performance.
 

The biggest difference I can see was that I was running the AMD FSB at 2000 MHz during winter and 1967 MHz during summer (Yeah it was sensitive to room temperature).

 

As mentioned in another post i have now switched to a 5800X3D but did not obtain much improvement and would not recommend it if you only play IL 2 (if you already have a 5800X).
Hope you spot a software or process issue that can get you another 5 - 10 fps with the 4090
 

[MilitantPotato]

I did run MSI afterburner with the 3080, with a 450mhz ram OC, undervolted core, and overclocked core frequency. For the 4090 it wasn't running as I don't OC new hardware. I also closed FPSVR and OVR for the 3080 and 4090 benchmarks.  Tried balanced and performance profiles for windows power management and got the same results.  I guess I could reset bios to defaults for a test run and see if there's anything weird with those settings

[chiliwili69]

On 10/22/2022 at 12:06 AM, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Just checked my results for a 5800X with similar RAM to you and a RTX 3090 and was averaging 84 fps with a HP G2 in the VR2 SYN_Vander benchmark.  I would have expected that the 4090 would have at least equaled that result.

 

This is true. I didn´t put attention when looking to the table, but RAAF was getting 84 with the version 4.702 , I was getting the same with the Index with the 4.702.

 

That´s why is also important to run the CPU test and VRtest1 so we have more data to analyze and compare.

 

 

 

 

On 10/22/2022 at 12:06 AM, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

I have since moved onto a Varjo Aero

BTW, it would be nice to have the first Aero bench in the table....  ? 

On 10/22/2022 at 2:48 AM, MilitantPotato said:

Not sure what the issue is

 

I created in the past a list of items to review, just in case: