4090 Reviews

[AngleOff66]

There are also good reviews on Paul's Hardware and techtesters.

I hope someone who plays this and other flightsims can give us a review soon.

Edited October 11, 2022 by AngleOff66

[dburne]

Pretty consistent with the other reviews I am seeing.

Whilst quite pricey the 4090 series appears to delivery quite a punch in performance.

Of course remains to be seen how it does in what we do with flight sims. I am likely not going to be an early adopter this go around and still not convinced I will even get a 40xx card. I do tend to game every day when things are normal for me so I would likely get my money's worth out of the card. Just not convinced yet I need to be spending that kind of money at the present.

[1Sascha]

That does seem to bode well for their mid-/high-end cards. If the 4070 will deliver a comparable uplift over its predecessor, I guess I *might* just go through with my plan of updating my GPU (yet again) next year and go from 3070 to 4070. Of course... that all depends on pricing and seeing how they'll soon be selling what should've been the 4070 as a "4080, 12 GB" for 900 USD, I'm kinda thinking I might be keeping my current card a little while longer...

 

Guess I'm going to have to be patient. Damn that stupid VR ... which is about the only reason why I'm even thinking of an upgrade.

 

S.

[dburne]

40 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

That does seem to bode well for their mid-/high-end cards. If the 4070 will deliver a comparable uplift over its predecessor, I guess I *might* just go through with my plan of updating my GPU (yet again) next year and go from 3070 to 4070. Of course... that all depends on pricing and seeing how they'll soon be selling what should've been the 4070 as a "4080, 12 GB" for 900 USD, I'm kinda thinking I might be keeping my current card a little while longer...

 

Guess I'm going to have to be patient. Damn that stupid VR ... which is about the only reason why I'm even thinking of an upgrade.

 

S.

 

Yeah lol VR has cost me a crap load of money over the last 5 years.

[rogueblade]

I can't wait to see VR benchmarks for this in IL2 and DCS.
I dream of a 2023 rig with a 13900k, a 4090 and a Quest 3

[IckyATLAS]

If the benchmarks are to be believed, then we should have a nice boost with an 4090 in full 4K. We are not concerned by the Ray Tracing and DLSS stuff.

But we need to pair it with a 13900K or equivalent from Ryzen to pull the max out of it.

 

It is a pity that Nvidia does not sell two versions of the card. One version only rasterizing and no RTX and DLSS. It would be cheaper, and I am not sure everybody needs that stuff. For IL2 I suppose ray tracing and DLSS will never come.

2 hours ago, 1Sascha said:

 

Guess I'm going to have to be patient. Damn that stupid VR ... which is about the only reason why I'm even thinking of an upgrade.

 

I am no VR specialist, but the card has one HDMI and three Displayport connectors. In the benchmark he was saying that this was not ideal for VR gamers.

[1Sascha]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

I am no VR specialist, but the card has one HDMI and three Displayport connectors. In the benchmark he was saying that this was not ideal for VR gamers.

Oh I wasn't thinking about the 4090 ... I'm not made of money plus my CPU would bottleneck me with that thing anyway (i5 12600K). I'll wait and see what their "real" 4070 will look like. Should be about as fast as a 3080 or even 3080 TI if we'll get a similar performance jump as we did from 20xx to 30xx. But... we'll see...

 

S.

[kissTheSky]

On my racing sim forum, it is mentioned that the real gains from the 4090 is in VR and triple 4K gaming. If eVGA was still in the GPU business, I’d have looked more favorable to getting one, but I think I’ll just go 13900KF at this time.

[AngleOff66]

Der8auer review.

Of interest to me was the Wireview at 3:42 that shows draw etc.  May help with the cable as well?  But I think his best point was showing how there looked to be minimal performance loss with less power which shows that perhaps this card could have been smaller. That is at 18:00 mins.

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by AngleOff66

[1Sascha]

... since I mentioned money (or not being made of it) in my last post, here's something to brighten up everyone's morning on 40xx launch day.

 

First 4090 offer I found today on my favorite PC parts price-comparison site:

 

 

ROFL... I guess? ?

 

Funny thing is that when I click on the actual link leading to that vendor's ebay store, this is what I get:

 

 

 

 

I'm sure there's nothing fishy about this "deal", right?

 

 

EDIT: Now the real prices are up and while it's slightly less insane .... it's still pretty insane. Cheapest card I can find is the Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC at €2149. ?

 

.. and it's a bit of a porker:

 

 

 

S.

Edited October 12, 2022 by 1Sascha

[Voyager]

@1SaschaThere's always day 1 scalpers, but I think between the lack of cryptomining, the recession and the expected RDNA3 competition I don't think it will last past the Christmas buying season. 

[dburne]

Scalpers = Low life scum of the earth. Glad I did not get into the day 1 rush to buy, seems it was controlled mainly by the scalpers. I still may sit this gen out. Getting kind of tired of all this spending lately.

Edited October 13, 2022 by dburne

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

A person who shall remain anonymous
May have shelled out for a RTX 4090 MSI Suprim (air cooled) and a 1000 W power supply that should turn up in the next week or so

I can neither confirm or deny.......

But do hope to post some results with the Varjo Aero.

This anonymous person runs a Ryzen 5800X3D so it will be interesting to find out how the combo goes.
Said anonymous person has not yet told the wife so if no additional responses are posted on this forum, by me, you can conclude that it did not go well.

Edited October 13, 2022 by RAAF492SQNOz_Steve
Typo's and repeat wording

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

4 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

A person who shall remain anonymous
May have shelled out for a RTX 4090 MSI Suprim (air cooled) and a 1000 W power supply that should turn up in the next week or so

I can neither confirm or deny.......

But do hope to post some results with the Varjo Aero.

This anonymous person runs a Ryzen 5800X3D so it will be interesting to find out how the combo goes.
Said anonymous person has not yet told the wife so if no additional responses are posted on this forum, by me, you can conclude that it did not go well.

I hope this anonymous person‘s wife is understanding and this anonymous person can let you post their results using the new card they may have bought.

 

I am really interested in the results. Of the benchmarks, not how telling the wife went. Even though this experience might help others in the same situation ?

[1Sascha]

5 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Said anonymous person has not yet told the wife so if no additional responses are posted on this forum, by me, you can conclude that it did not go well.

Like I said to a buddy on discord yesterday:

 

Said anonymous person should take comfort in the fact that those cards are so huge and heavy that you'll probably be able to use it as a blunt weapon to defend yourself against the wife once she finds out you just spent 2000+ €/$ on a graphics card...

 

 

 

S.

[Schwalberich]

Just convince the anonymous wife about it being an electric radiator to overcome the massive prices of gas lately.

 

[dburne]

9 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

A person who shall remain anonymous
May have shelled out for a RTX 4090 MSI Suprim (air cooled) and a 1000 W power supply that should turn up in the next week or so

I can neither confirm or deny.......

But do hope to post some results with the Varjo Aero.

This anonymous person runs a Ryzen 5800X3D so it will be interesting to find out how the combo goes.
Said anonymous person has not yet told the wife so if no additional responses are posted on this forum, by me, you can conclude that it did not go well.

 

Nice!

That would probably be the card I would choose should I decide to go with the 40xx gen. Still leaning toward staying with my 3090 though.

Being a fella Aero owner I look forward to hearing how it does for you.

Edited October 13, 2022 by dburne

[1Sascha]

3 hours ago, dburne said:

Being a fella Aero owner I look forward to hearing how it does for you.

Cue the reports stating that VR performance still isn't *quite* what the new 4090 owner had hoped for and that he's now waiting for the 4090 Ti ....

 

Seriously though... I can't wait for the reports myself. Not that I'm eying this end of the market, but since high-res VR seems to be one of the few reasons why you'd actually need such a bonkers card and none of the usual YT reviewers I follow seem to cover VR-performance, I am eagerly awaiting the first results.

 

 

S.

[dburne]

Varjo Aero VR users beware - following just posted over on Varjo Discord regarding the new 4090 GPU's.

 

Quote

Hello Everyone,

We at Varjo are excited to see the release of the Nividia 40 series GPUs. As such, we are aware of some issues noted by customers who have received their GPUs and are trying them out. We are currently working to resolve these issues; however, at this time, we want to continue to recommend to our customers to use one of our currently recommended GPUs https://varjo.com/use-center/get-started/varjo-headsets/system-requirements/aero/.

We will update once we can officially recommend the Nvidia 40 series GPUs for use with our headsets.

Thank you!

 

 

https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/953295284841115709/1030137008120680499

[Skelthos]

On 10/11/2022 at 2:43 PM, IckyATLAS said:

I am no VR specialist, but the card has one HDMI and three Displayport connectors. In the benchmark he was saying that this was not ideal for VR gamers.

Most if not all current video cards meant for gaming are 3 DP + 1 or more HDMI. Not really sure why but this seems to be the common setup. 

 

If it impacts anyone will depend on their setup, if you run triple monitors + a VR set that uses the display port 3 Display ports is not ideal, if you are running a single monitor + VR it really has not impact on you.  If you are using a VR set like the Quest 2 it also does not impact you since the Q2 uses USB-C or WiFi to connect to the PC.  

[WIS-Redcoat]

3 hours ago, dburne said:

Varjo Aero VR users beware - following just posted over on Varjo Discord regarding the new 4090 GPU's.

 

 

 

https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/953295284841115709/1030137008120680499

Yikes, thanks for that.  I was closing in on a 4090 today.  Might slow that down a few weeks.

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

6 hours ago, dburne said:

Varjo Aero VR users beware - following just posted over on Varjo Discord regarding the new 4090 GPU's.

 

 

 

https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/953295284841115709/1030137008120680499

Thanks for the warning on this, not a great start.

This is going to delay any feedback that I can provide on IL 2 and the RTX 4090.

Hopefully the cause  can be identified and resolution arrive quickly developed.

 

 

Reading through the trouble shooting comments, appears that other headsets are affected as well (G2& Pimax?)

Edited October 13, 2022 by RAAF492SQNOz_Steve
Mandatory typo. need new keyboard :(

[dburne]

39 minutes ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Thanks for the warning on this, not a great start.

This is going to delay any feedback that I can provide on IL 2 and the RTX 4090.

Hopefully the cause  can be identified and resolution arrive quickly developed.

 

 

Reading through the trouble shooting comments, appears that other headsets are affected as well (G2& Pimax?)

 

Dang did Nvidia not do any testing of their 40xx drivers with VR...

[paul_leonard]

I can't access this channel for some reason.  What's up?

[dburne]

Varjo updated over on Discord they absolutely confirm the issue with the 4090 cards and are working on it but not much hope in having a fix at least by the weekend.

[Jaws2002]

Nvidia pulled the 12GB 4080 after the backlash from all the tech channels. ?

 

 

[firdimigdi]

https://babeltechreviews.com/rtx-4090-performance-45-games-vr-pro-apps-benchmarked/

 

Some VR benchmarks included.

[1Sascha]

8 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

Nvidia pulled the 12GB 4080 after the backlash from all the tech channels. ?

 

From NVidia's press-release:

 

"Having two cards named 4080 is confusing".

 

Nope... just a tad dishonest in this case, given the technical specs of both cards ... and the price they were looking to sell the non-4080-4080 at .... ?

 

S.

Edited October 15, 2022 by 1Sascha

[Voyager]

@Schwalberich Just use the OC software to limit it to 285W and tell her it's saving power over your last rig

 

@1Sascha Pretty much yes. My old 1080 Ti basically did everything I needed in non-VR. It was even fine for MSFS in 1440p. VR's the only reason I've done any GPU upgrades since then. 

 

And, for Il-2, a 5800X3D + 3080 TI means I'm at a consistent 60fps+. At this point it's DCS (40ish with agressive FSR foveation) and MSFS (40 with DLSS, locked to 30fps for stutter reduction) that need more juice. 

 

Had been planning on waiting for RDNA3, since its supposed to be a huge uplift as well (2x the 6900XT), but even the 285W limited 4090 should do the job. I'm expecting the RX 7900 XT to be around $1k, but it's not going to have DLSS support or great raytracing, and with pricing on everything getting hit by inflation who knows what things are going to look like next year? 

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

On 10/13/2022 at 12:54 PM, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

A person who shall remain anonymous
May have shelled out for a RTX 4090 MSI Suprim (air cooled) and a 1000 W power supply that should turn up in the next week or so

I can neither confirm or deny.......

But do hope to post some results with the Varjo Aero.

This anonymous person runs a Ryzen 5800X3D so it will be interesting to find out how the combo goes.
Said anonymous person has not yet told the wife so if no additional responses are posted on this forum, by me, you can conclude that it did not go well.

Looks like Varjo or NVidia has quite a bit more time to fix this issue from my very selfish perspective.....

Have just been advised the my card delivery date has been pushed back at least Two weeks by the vendor I ordered through.
Have either been a victim of the old bait and switch trap or the order has been redirected elsewhere.

Not happy Jan! Alas no alternative retailers have stock of the card I am interested in.

So!, as a mature adult I will just grin and .........
rant plus froth at the mouth then whinge!  ???             

After all, we need to be grown up about these 'First World' problems.

Edited October 17, 2022 by RAAF492SQNOz_Steve
improved wording to get more sympathy

[dburne]

2 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Looks like Varjo or NVidia has quite a bit more time to fix this issue from my very selfish perspective.....

Have just been advised the my card delivery date has been pushed back at least Two weeks by the vendor I ordered through.
Have either been a victim of the old bait and switch trap or the order has been redirected elsewhere.

Not happy Jan! Alas no alternative retailers have stock of the card I am interested in.

So!, as a mature adult I will just grin and .........
rant plus froth at the mouth then whinge!  ???             

After all, we need to be grown up about these 'First World' problems.

 

Yeah just try and look at the bright side this may save you a lot of frustration in waiting for a fix from either Varjo or Nvidia.

[sevenless]

On 10/15/2022 at 4:51 AM, Jaws2002 said:

Nvidia pulled the 12GB 4080 after the backlash from all the tech channels. ?

 

 

They might sell it as a 4070 TI then. Let's wait and see.

[1Sascha]

4 hours ago, sevenless said:

They might sell it as a 4070 TI then. Let's wait and see.

Or perhaps as a "Super"?

 

I mean... the designs for the 4070 and 4070 Ti are probably done by now, so I'm not sure if they can just throw a "corrected" fake 4080 in there without messing things up a bit in the mid to high-mid tier.

 

But yeah... let's wait and see. I for one am hoping that this will make the mid-tier of the 40xx family a bit more attractive price-wise. But seeing their ambitious pricing so far, I seriously doubt it. They have probably gotten way too accustomed to those sweet, sweet profits from the Crypto-business... ?

 

 

S.

[Dusty_Steppes]

Some food for thought...

https://youtu.be/HAZWwwHScaQ

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

Given the increasing number of reports on this issue and the potential for adverse consequences I have cancelled my RTX 4090 order for now.

I had the added consideration that my flight sim is located in a room with high ambient room temperatures during summer months ( i.e. 28 - 34 degrees Celsius) .  I am concerned about the additional risks associated with that, even with an 'un-kinked' cable. The RTX 4090 power cables, at the connector, run warm during 'normal' operation from tests that I have seen. 
The RTX 3090 handled those ambient room temps fine last summer.

I personally do not mind warmer room temps but can see the day when I will have to invest in an air conditioner to keep my graphics card happy.

Will monitor the situation and see how NVidia responds. Happy to delay upgrading for now.

Running a Varjo Aero means that AMD graphics cards are not an option so cannot benefit from the new cards AMD is about to release.

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

FYI.....

40% increase in reports of overheating NVidia RTX 4090 power cables in 24 hours. 
Overall numbers still quite low but with a high level adverse outcome possible I am still happy with my decision to delay.

Appears that all currently reported issues relate to the NVidia supplied 4 into one cable. Reports that some after market cables (Be Quiet) do not lock properly into the GPU power socket so that may be an issue to watch out for.
 

 

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

Gamers Nexus is investigating RTX 4090 cables failures and so far has not been able to get one to fail (yet) so no conclusions.

GN very keen to get or buy failed cables off impacted users with signs of cable melting for further investigation.

GN did note that none of the five cable they had in their possession matched the dismantled one shown by Igors Lab.
 

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by RAAF492SQNOz_Steve

[CosmiC10R]

i picked up a 3080TI Gigabyte Aorus Master about 4 months ago when it had gone down to about 1299 CDN.

I rebuilt my PC around that time because my old 3930k died. There was that sweet spot then where there were lots of cards on the market and crypto had tanked and all the retailers were clearing them out.

 

Ive maxed out the setting including 8x msaa and Im getting 100fps capped with no drops below that. I would imagine the 4090 would obliterate most fps issues?

[S10JlAbraxis]

I just built a new system with a Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC, Gigabyte Aorus Master Z790 MB, Intel 13900K, and 2 sticks DDR5 6000 64MB.  I was lucky and got the RTX 4090 from New Egg day of release for MSRP.  I have an LG 3840 x 1600 wide format 144Hz monitor which is high resolution but not quite 4K (74% pixels of a 4k display).  My other system I most recently ran IL2 on consisted of an RTX 3090 Founders Edition, Gigabyte Aorus Master Z690 MB, Intel 12900K, and two sticks DDR5 5600 64MB.

 

I run IL2 at Ultra settings (everything maxed out except HDR and SASO turned off).  Nothing in my system is over clocked except XMP to take advantage of enhanced memory speed and I turn off energy efficient turbo for the CPU and slightly under volt it.  Neither system thermal throttles and I have no problems with the 4090 "melting plug issue" - the power plug just gets slightly warm (I have 1600-watt Corsair power supply).

  

With the RTX 3090 system I was getting between 90 and 120 FPS depending on complexity of the scene and how many AI aircraft were near me.  With the RTX 4090 system I get between 110 and 144 FPS (max my monitor can display with G-Sync turned on).  Not sure how far the frame rate would go up without G-Sync since I haven't tested it yet.

 

The interesting thing I noticed is that with the RTX 4090 if my viewpoint is outside the aircraft or inside looking above the instrument panel (through the gun site) the FPS is always pegged at 144 FPS.  However as soon as I look down at the instrument panel FPS drops to the 120 to 110 range.  While this was also noticeable to some extent with the RTX 3090 it was not as drastic of an impact as with the RTX 4090.  Not sure what is causing the FPS drop when looking at the instrument panel (CPU or GPU issue?) but it seems strange that this would happen when displaying a less demanding view from a physics standpoint, so it is probably a CPU issue (limitation/issue with the software).

 

Realistically I do not notice a meaningful difference flying IL2 between the 2 systems although the 4090 does seem a bit smoother and more fluid in large dogfights.  However, in my opinion this upgrade is not worth it just for IL2 (and this is not the reason I upgraded).  I expect with a full 4k monitor the FPS difference would be more meaningful.  But with the RTX 4090 even at 4k I think IL2 would be CPU not GPU limited.

 

I have been interested in VR but have held off due to the FPS issues and not wanting to turn down detail to hit 90 FPS.  Would be interesting to know if the RTX 4090 could run the HP Reverb G2 consistently above 90FPS at Ultra settings.  If this is the case, I may consider trying VR.  Has anyone with a RTX 4090 tried this?

On 10/27/2022 at 10:49 PM, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Given the increasing number of reports on this issue and the potential for adverse consequences I have cancelled my RTX 4090 order for now.

I had the added consideration that my flight sim is located in a room with high ambient room temperatures during summer months ( i.e. 28 - 34 degrees Celsius) .  I am concerned about the additional risks associated with that, even with an 'un-kinked' cable. The RTX 4090 power cables, at the connector, run warm during 'normal' operation from tests that I have seen. 
The RTX 3090 handled those ambient room temps fine last summer.

I personally do not mind warmer room temps but can see the day when I will have to invest in an air conditioner to keep my graphics card happy.

Will monitor the situation and see how NVidia responds. Happy to delay upgrading for now.

Running a Varjo Aero means that AMD graphics cards are not an option so cannot benefit from the new cards AMD is about to release.

 

Cable Mod makes a custom cable, and will soon have a 90-degree version, that solves this issue.  I have one on order now.  The issue is that a tiny number of the cables provided by NVIDIA and AIOs had defective (weak) connections in the plug that easily split with even a slight bend (mainly from side to side).  If you want the 4090 this is no reason to hold off.  I am using the stock cable while I await the Cable Mod replacement and it barely gets warm.  I have a vertical mount GPU so this eliminates the need to bend the cable. But even with some bend it is fine as long as you don't over do it.

Edited November 3, 2022 by S10JlAbraxis

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

Reports now coming in of latest power supply cables (that replace the 4 into 1 cable ) with a single cable experiencing failures as well.

This cable is from a top of the line 1300 Watt MSI power supply.

Pretty happy that I have cancelled my order for now. The reports appearing on Reddit may only be the tip of the iceberg.