Developer Diary #329 Discussion

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

You are like those guys in the muppet show.  

 

This is the Dev diary - you should indulge this fixation elsewhere.

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

 

6 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

This is the Dev diary - you should indulge this fixation elsewhere.

 

 

Which subsection of the forum do you suggest?

[jollyjack]

Complaints? No one reads that anyway. Or a new one: BS?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

As the new theater will be without major urban areas, I hope that we will get more navigation options like radio navigation, choosing where radio compasses guide us (instead of just being guided to the nearest base) 'cause cities are a major aid in dead reckoning.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[AKA_Ramstein]

On 10/7/2022 at 10:23 AM, AndyJWest said:

 

Also known as a variometer. I'd actually figured it out, hence the wink. Just my little joke.

it means , the ground is getting closer! why are you looking at the gauge?

Edited October 9, 2022 by AKA_Ramstein

[76SQN-Minimayhemtemp]

1) Where is FC2 map and career? When is this being delivered?

 

2) When will we see FM/DM updates to WW1 plane set?

[Regingrave-]

07.10.2022 в 21:53, ickylevel сказал:

The AI Greyhound is already there

07.10.2022 в 22:39, 616Sqn_Tyggz сказал:

But we already have an AI M8 in game... Why would we be shown an exact copy of it in a less finished state then it currently is?

Sorry to ruin your aspirations, but this is an AI vehicle.
M8 Greyhound and Morris were released by the mistake, they're not ready yet. As you see, our working model of M8 currently is disassembled to fix the number of existing bugs there. We have to remove Greyhound and Morris from the game in the next update until they're truly done, so make sure that you also remove the vehicles from your custom missions.

[ickylevel]

30 minutes ago, Regingrave said:

Sorry to ruin your aspirations, but this is an AI vehicle.
M8 Greyhound and Morris were released by the mistake, they're not ready yet. As you see, our working model of M8 currently is disassembled to fix the number of existing bugs there. We have to remove Greyhound and Morris from the game in the next update until they're truly done, so make sure that you also remove the vehicles from your custom missions.

 

Ok!

[Juri_JS]

56 minutes ago, Regingrave said:

Sorry to ruin your aspirations, but this is an AI vehicle.
M8 Greyhound and Morris were released by the mistake, they're not ready yet. As you see, our working model of M8 currently is disassembled to fix the number of existing bugs there. We have to remove Greyhound and Morris from the game in the next update until they're truly done, so make sure that you also remove the vehicles from your custom missions.

Wasn't there also a SdKfz. 234 in the works?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

51 minutes ago, Regingrave said:

Sorry to ruin your aspirations, but this is an AI vehicle.

I see ?

 

52 minutes ago, Regingrave said:

We have to remove Greyhound and Morris from the game in the next update until they're truly done, so make sure that you also remove the vehicles from your custom missions.

That would potentially break missions. Wouldn't it be possible to just remove it from the auto-generated missions while leaving it in place for the player-made missions that use it, under the understanding that there may be some problems with its gunnery/model/hitbox/driving/etc.? Or are the problems with the current vehicles so bad that they can really ruin the game if you encounter them?

[Regingrave-]

57 минут назад, Juri_JS сказал:

Wasn't there also a SdKfz. 234 in the works?

It's been worked on.

 

57 минут назад, AEthelraedUnraed сказал:

That would potentially break missions. Wouldn't it be possible to just remove it from the auto-generated missions while leaving it in place for the player-made missions that use it, under the understanding that there may be some problems with its gunnery/model/hitbox/driving/etc.? Or are the problems with the current vehicles so bad that they can really ruin the game if you encounter them?

They were never included into auto-generated missions in the first place. There can be some unexpected problems with them, so it's better to take that precaution.

[baevans]

4 hours ago, 76SQN-Minimayhemtemp said:

1) Where is FC2 map and career? When is this being delivered?

 

2) When will we see FM/DM updates to WW1 plane set?

This! Some feedback on #1 would be greatly appreciated. If it’s on the back burner for this year please let us know that. 

Edited October 10, 2022 by baevans

[76SQN-Minimayhemtemp]

2 hours ago, Regingrave said:

It's been worked on.

 

They were never included into auto-generated missions in the first place. There can be some unexpected problems with them, so it's better to take that precaution.

 

You've confirmed a vehicle is something on your roadmap but ignored the question about FC2.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Who is in command around here, anyway?

 

At least we’re getting Morris in the next update.

 

 

[DN308]

We need some inputs from the devs about the do ability to make a Flyable B-26, even if it’s pilot and bomber only

[Lusekofte]

54 minutes ago, DN308 said:

We need some inputs from the devs about the do ability to make a Flyable B-26, even if it’s pilot and bomber only

They can do B-26 they have however never mention it ever will be flyable.

However I think Italy would be a good bet for  next . So a flyable B 25 might be possible

Edited October 11, 2022 by LuseKofte

[Voidhunger]

Italy is not something new, we have Desert Wings. Its not Italy

[SYN_Vander]

17 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Italy is not something new, we have Desert Wings. Its not Italy

 

Who is 'we' ?

[Voidhunger]

2 minutes ago, SYN_Vander said:

 

Who is 'we' ?

we as a community

[343KKT_Kintaro]

 

11 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Italy is not something new, we have Desert Wings. Its not Italy

 

 

Well... the "Desert Wings - Tobruk" add-on in the Dover series happens in the boundary area of Libya held by Italy and Egypt as a country finally allied to the British Empire... but IT IS NOT in Italy. I think the above Italy-related suggestions mention the Italian theatre of operations, Italy itself, not an Italian colony.

 

 

1 minute ago, SYN_Vander said:

 

Who is 'we' ?

 

 

We the players of the IL-2 Sturmovik brand, that's the "we as a community" Voidhunger is talking about. If you want to speculate on the next module in the Great Battles series, which is the thrid generation of the brand, you can ignore if whether or not the first generation ('46) went before to a specific theatre of operations, but you cannot ignore the second generation (Dover) because the 2nd and the 3rd won't overlap each other in the same scenario. As a reminder, please listen the last interview to Great Battles developers as of timing 44'13'' (click here for the interview in YouTube).

 

 

[migmadmarine]

1 hour ago, DN308 said:

We need some inputs from the devs about the do ability to make a Flyable B-26, even if it’s pilot and bomber only

I see no reason the answer would be anything particularly different than the answer given about 4 engine bombers, it's entirely doable but a matter of value vs investment regarding cost and man hours.

[LukeFF]

14 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

we as a community

 

There's a not-insubstantial number of players out there who either have entirely passed on CloD and its addons or shelved it early on for all the reasons that are documented here or elsewhere, so this idea of "community" doesn't really apply to them. I for one would love to see the series move to Italy/the Med but in the end I'll be happy with wherever the series goes.

[CountZero]

49 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Italy is not something new, we have Desert Wings. Its not Italy

But something new for GB team there could be torpedos on SM.79, Ju-88 or Beaufighter, Wellington

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by CountZero

[343KKT_Kintaro]

 

8 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

so this idea of "community" doesn't really apply to them

  

 

Oh yes it does. Those players who dropped IL2CoD became IL2GB players mainly... so they are now customers of the right holders of the brand anyway (that's their community with IL2CoD customers), and the right holders of the brand, for the moment, aren't allowing that the second generation and the third generation of IL-2 games do overlap each other when preparing add-ons and modules. You wanna speculate on the next Great Battles module? Good, pay attention to where Cliffs of Dover went first and you'll know where exactly Great Battles is not going. Please go back to the mentioned interview (as of timing 44'13''), thank you in advance.

 

 

1 minute ago, CountZero said:

But something new for GB team there could be torpedos on SM.79, Ju-88 or Beaufighter, Wellington

 

 

 

As per what I explained above, not on the boundary Libya/Egypt. Italy seems to be a possibility, other scenarios as well.

 

 

[LukeFF]

13 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Oh yes it does. Those players who dropped IL2CoD became IL2GB players mainly... so they are now customers of the right holders of the brand anyway (that's their community with IL2CoD customers), and the right holders of the brand, for the moment, aren't allowing that the second generation and the third generation of IL-2 games do overlap each other when preparing add-ons and modules. You wanna speculate on the next Great Battles module? Good, pay attention to where Cliffs of Dover went first and you'll know where exactly Great Battles is not going. Please go back to the mentioned interview (as of timing 44'13''), thank you in advance.

 

Dude, I think you're trying wayyy too hard to be some sort of (un)official spokesperson for IL2 and its branding. Let me put it another way: a lot of players don't give a rip about whatever CloD is doing, for any number of reasons. It doesn't mean they want CloD to fail, but ultimately it's a title being kept alive by a small group of modders and played by a very small audience. The Steam numbers bear that out. Because of that, there's a not-insignificant number of players here in the not-CloD forum that are very eager to see what can be done with an Italy/Med scenario, regardless of whatever CloD has or has been trying to do with that theater. 

 

If CloD has a community then that's great. But, ultimately, it's a very small community at that. It's like saying IL2 should've never gone to the Western Front because EAW covered the Western Front in 1998 or because the original IL2 covered it after that.

 

And no, I'm not going back to listen to the interview again. I heard it in its entirely and understood it quite clearly, thank you very much.

Edited October 11, 2022 by LukeFF

[Lusekofte]

2 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Dude, I think you're trying wayyy too hard to be some sort of (un)official spokesperson for IL2 and its branding. Let me put it another way: a lot of players don't give a rip about whatever CloD is doing, for any number of reasons. It doesn't mean they want CloD to fail, but ultimately it's a title being kept alive by a small group of modders and played by a very small audience. The Steam numbers bear that out. Because of that, there's a not-insignificant number of players here in the not-CloD forum that are very eager to see what can be done with an Italy/Med scenario, regardless of whatever CloD has or has been trying to do with that theater. 

 

If CloD has a community then that's great. But, ultimately, it's a very small community at that. It's like saying IL2 should've never gone to the Western Front because EAW covered the Western Front in 1998 or because the original IL2 covered it after that.

 

And no, I'm not going back to listen to the interview again. I heard it in its entirely and understood it quite clearly, thank you very much.

I think when VR is coming, it will surprise you how many that will fly cod. My group is diverting to DCS in order to get more complex flying simulation. It is healthy getting option in this genre. It keep people going on with their hobby. Just DCS and Just GB would make me sell all sim hardware years ago

[343KKT_Kintaro]

"Spokesperson" LukeFF? no... I did what you did... I listened to this interview. All the best!

 

 

Just now, LuseKofte said:

I think when VR is coming, it will surprise you how many that will fly cod.

 

 

VR in IL2CoD is not yet implemented. Fingers crossed!

 

 

[DN308]

1 hour ago, migmadmarine said:

I see no reason the answer would be anything particularly different than the answer given about 4 engine bombers, it's entirely doable but a matter of value vs investment regarding cost and man hours.

I see no reason the answer wouldn't more constructive than this due to the fact that we have other bombers less attractive than this one and that @Jason_Williams has his grandfather pilot in this plane during WW2.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

23 minutes ago, DN308 said:

I see no reason the answer wouldn't more constructive than this due to the fact that we have other bombers less attractive than this one and that @Jason_Williams has his grandfather pilot in this plane during WW2.

 

 

I’ve learned the hard way over the years, that when it comes to building our simulation, we operate in a world of “what’s possible” not necessarily “what we want to do”. When trying to add airplanes we always need access, money, talent, support and some luck.

 

Jason Williams (November 7 2021)

 

We will make 4 engine bombers when I have the personnel and resources to do it. EVERY flight sim has a limit as to how many aircraft, of any size that can be put in the sky at once.

 

Jason Williams (May 28 2021)

 

[DN308]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

I’ve learned the hard way over the years, that when it comes to building our simulation, we operate in a world of “what’s possible” not necessarily “what we want to do”. When trying to add airplanes we always need access, money, talent, support and some luck.

 

Jason Williams (November 7 2021)

 

We will make 4 engine bombers when I have the personnel and resources to do it. EVERY flight sim has a limit as to how many aircraft, of any size that can be put in the sky at once.

 

Jason Williams (May 28 2021)

 

Sure.

But tell me, what about doing an IAR for??? Where will we use it and how many of us will buy it except IOT support the team?

Give us a TWO engine bomber we can use on 2 or maybe 3 maps instead of bulls...ting with a one use fighter.

Everyone will kick my a.. for that, but it's a matter of point of view. I'm more a bomber guy than a turning-around-fighter guy. So I will be grateful enough I would build a campaign for this B26

[343KKT_Kintaro]

I understand, you are expressing your own personal wishes. I wish you good luck DN308, may you obtain what you want. This being said, it is always difficult for a company to satisfy all of his customers. At any rate, good luck!

 

[MAJ_stug41]

7 minutes ago, DN308 said:

what about doing an IAR for

!!!GIB IAR

 

Years ago there were a bunch of community votes on 'special planes', and the first of them to be selected were the p40 and m202. The IAR was a choice, and has probably been a side project since. The engine is already in the hs129, and it adds a fun thing for relatively little investment, and idiots like me are willing to pay $20 or whatever for it. I doubt the IAR is a limiting factor in the production of larger aircraft.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, DN308 said:

But tell me, what about doing an IAR for??? Where will we use it and how many of us will buy it except IOT support the team?

 

Easy - Stalingrad and Kuban. The airfields and campaigns are already there for it.

[=FEW=Hauggy]

On 10/8/2022 at 10:00 PM, Gambit21 said:

No - they say “prop based” you know…like BoBp that is also prop based, and also has 2 jets? We covered this already.

 

I’m not saying that it’s Korea - but most aircraft that saw action were props.

 

Yes I know all of the usual follow-ups, first few days of the war/timeline, MiG Alley, yada yada yada ‘yawn’

I have to say it’s a strong contender. Something totally new, includes Russian aircraft, includes a few Jets…Daniel said years ago that he wanted to go there.

 

You’d be a fool to dismiss at least the possibility.

 

 

 

 

Yep, that's pretty much what I had in mind when I said that. Jets were still not the norm and I did listen carefully.

We'll see, all I'm trying to do is an educated guess.

I'd be curious to hear what others think it might be, my second guess (and wish) would be Battle of Berlin.

Another thing that brought me to think about Korea is that 4 engine bombers were at least discussed, so I thought the idea of an A.I. B-29 could possibly have been entertained.

Edited October 11, 2022 by =FEW=Hauggy

[CountZero]

13 minutes ago, =FEW=Hauggy said:

Yep, that's pretty much what I had in mind when I said that. Jets were still not the norm and I did listen carefully.

We'll see, all I'm trying to do is an educated guess.

I'd be curious to hear what others think it might be, my second guess (and wish) would be Battle of Berlin.

Another thing that brought me to think about Korea is that 4 engine bombers were at least discussed, so I thought the idea of an A.I. B-29 could possibly have been entertained.

And they also said they would avoid urban areas, Berlin is not option, im telling you Its El Salvador vs Honduras 69, it fits with all requiraments and limitations from team. Its 100% that.

 

And on top ,now when they explained why they had random M8 picture in DD, Sicily 43 is outof options, so it can only be 69

Edited October 11, 2022 by CountZero

[migmadmarine]

IAR has been long requested, and I for one am pretty excited for it, despite being a yank. As for what it brings, besides the novelty of being a wholely Romanian aircraft,, by the sounds of things work is being done to add Romanian voice acting, along with introducing Romania as the first proper axis minor power to be in game,with the IAR units being added to Stalingrad and Kuban, as well as potentially Romanian units flying types we have in game already. Sure, we have an Italian aircraft, but in game it is really Italian in name only, as the MC.202 units still use German voice lines, and appear under German command with German personal in career. 

[BornToBattle]

Listened to the interview. “Some people complain that he modules cost too much”. Seriously? At about $8 per plane included with a career (he was talking all aircraft in original module and costs averaged) and map and it costs too much? I think with the tons of work involved it’s a smokin’ deal personally.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Let me tell a very nosh$#t story about what a plane like the IAR means to me as a gamer looking to spend my moolah on a new thing.

 

Let me make a JackFraser list:

 

1.  I’d not once heard of the plane until my 30’s

2. I got Forgotten Battles + Pacific Fighters at Best Buy, off the shelf

3. I was introduced to a bunch of Russian aircraft that I’d never heard of and also the IAR

4. I flew the IAR a few times.

5. It sucked

6. Ended up repeatedly pitting my P-40s against Zekes and Betties in the Pacific, and that was so long ago, that it would be cool again.

 

This is just what I think.  Not speaking for anyone else, not trying to piss on anyone’s parade, just speaking as one solitary American video gamer.  I’m not trying to be a dick (it comes naturally, I don’t have to try)

 

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by SeaSerpent
Sorry JAWS, I thought we had something special going.

[Fritz_X]

10 hours ago, BornToBattle said:

Listened to the interview. “Some people complain that he modules cost too much”. Seriously? At about $8 per plane included with a career (he was talking all aircraft in original module and costs averaged) and map and it costs too much? I think with the tons of work involved it’s a smokin’ deal personally.

 

I fully agree with you here.

 

The price of both modules and collector vehicles is reasonable to me. What you receive is high quality content from a developer team that puts time, effort and heart into their work to give us the best product possible, while continiously polishing and updating things we already got years back.

 

Yet I still often read the "it's too expensive" critism, especially in the review section on the Steam store page. But is it really too expensive? And compared to what?

 

DCS? Compared to this IL-2 looks dirt-cheap. Yes, the planes are of a higher quality in DCS, with click-pits and a more detailed flight model. Yet the ratio of the money you pay and the value you get in return with IL-2 feels alot more favorable towards the customer to me.

 

Warthunder? Good graphics, tons of air and ground vehicles to choose from, both arcade and simulation mode and all of this completely free! What's not to like? Except that the different factions are totally imbalanced by giving some of them 90's tech, while others are still stuck in the 50's. And that only a handful of vehicles are actually useful. And that the "simulation mode" doesn't hold a candle towards true simulations. And that you can choose between the game being a total grindfest or sinking tons of money into it (and it still being a grind, just less) if you actually want to get some enjoyment out of it.

 

IL-2 1946? Yes, very low price, tons of content both official and with mods. I really have a soft spot for this one, since classic IL-2 was an integral part of my childhood and youth. It was an amazing product at its' time, kicking CFS to the curb. But it just can't keep up with its' spiritual successor, except bigger plane formations (which I dearly miss), flyable heavy bombers and much more content in general. Overall it feels dated and quality-wise like a ton of cheeseburgers, compared to a filet mignon I can have with the GB series.

 

For me IL-2: GB is the best package for WW2 enthusiasts. Even if it isn't on sale, the pricing is reasonable. On sale it is a blatant steal, especially the older modules. And while maybe not being the cheapest option of them all, it still is the one that gives the player back the most.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Fritz_X

[kestrel79]

I agree on the price and think it's fair, compared to other sims. Just wait for a sale and you can't beat the prices either. If you're smart you can pick up all the content for not that much.