Where is Jason?

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

22 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Hey, you're right... FCI, FCII, FCIII and, eventually, FCIV, are nothing but ported "Rise of Flight" material. Then the question is if whether or not Williams sold the 100% of "Rise of Flight" to 1CGS (or to 1C Company, or to others, whoever they are). If he kept the original "Rise of Flight" source code, on one side he could let 1CGS pursues the porting from "Rise of Flight" into the "Flying Circus" series... and on the other side he could put together a new team of developers and let them create new flight sims (WWI? WWII? Korea? Vietnam?) out of the "Rise of Flight" source code.

 

 

I would love to see new  ROF content, this game still has big  potential to be the ultimate WW1 genre sim. So many planes left to make.... 

 

ROF still looks amazing good. Love the  stile of it  graphics, better than FC IMHO.

Edited November 21, 2022 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Trooper117]

I really hope he stays in the flight sim world of things...

[simfan2015]

10 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

this game still has big  potential to be the ultimate WW1 genre sim. So many planes left to make.... 

With Jason at the wheel, FC3 would have been made.

Now, with 2 new WWI collector planes incoming I somehow doubt it will ever materialize.

But fingers crossed.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

55 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

With Jason at the wheel, FC3 would have been made.

Now, with 2 new WWI collector planes incoming I somehow doubt it will ever materialize.

But fingers crossed.

 

 

There are 40 aircraft in Rise of Flight. This could make 3 Premium Great Battles modules (30 aircraft) + 10 Great Battles collector planes (the overall total of 40 Rise of Flight aircraft).

 

At any rate... yes, fingers crossed.

 

 

[dburne]

Aren't they still working on FC2 or is that now done?

[Trooper117]

Planes are done, map and career to come...

[DD_Arthur]

You guys do realise that the FC content creation has been handled by Ugra Media on behalf of 1CGS? 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

You guys do realise that the FC content creation has been handled by Ugra Media on behalf of 1CGS? 

 

 

Please DD_Arthur, reread the thread's title and reread the present thread as of this point. This would lead you to better understand what we talk about.

 

 

[LukeFF]

5 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Please DD_Arthur, reread the thread's title and reread the present thread as of this point. This would lead you to better understand what we talk about.

 

@DD_Arthur is quite aware of FC's development history and doesn't need you to try to correct him. ?

[Avimimus]

4 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

There are 40 aircraft in Rise of Flight. This could make 3 Premium Great Battles modules (30 aircraft) + 10 Great Battles collector planes (the overall total of 40 Rise of Flight aircraft).

 

At any rate... yes, fingers crossed.

 

It depends on how they are counted. For instance, if the N.17 variants are rolled into field mods of the N.17 that reduces the plane count by two. My count is 35-38 aircraft.

 

My hope is that they do a full FC.IV with two or three completely new airplanes (we could really do with early war two-seaters... e.g. Caudron G.IV and LVG C.II; the Airco D.H.5 would also be cool). I think this would be a better outcome then releasing the last six aircraft as 'collector planes'.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

@DD_Arthur is quite aware of FC's development history and doesn't need you to try to correct him. ?

 

 

We are'nt talking about FC's development history. You, like him, need to be corrected.

 

 

[Avimimus]

6 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

Hey, you're right... FCI, FCII, FCIII and, eventually, FCIV, are nothing but ported "Rise of Flight" material. Then the question is if whether or not Williams sold the 100% of "Rise of Flight" to 1CGS (or to 1C Company, or to others, whoever they are). If he kept the original "Rise of Flight" source code, on one side he could let 1CGS pursues the porting from "Rise of Flight" into the "Flying Circus" series... and on the other side he could put together a new team of developers and let them create new flight sims (WWI? WWII? Korea? Vietnam?) out of the "Rise of Flight" source code.

 

The Rise of Flight source code has been developed into the Flying Circus / Great Battles engine... and many of the engineers which built it (excepting Petrovitch) are still working on Flying Circus / Great Battles... it doesn't seem particularly feasible to fork the development... it would seem to make more sense for Jason Williams to set up a third party partnering with 1CGS to release Collector Aircraft than it would to attempt to escape with the source code Anyway, that is my 2 cents.

[DD_Arthur]

3 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 You, like him, need to be corrected.

So now you know Luke. We need to be corrected ?

[Wardog5711]

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you Avivimus, at least you are following the thread.

 

 

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

 

The Rise of Flight source code has been developed into the Flying Circus / Great Battles engine... and many of the engineers which built it (excepting Petrovitch) are still working on Flying Circus / Great Battles... it doesn't seem particularly feasible to fork the development...

 

 

I know all of this, for years now I know it, and, precisely, I'm not talking about forking the development. I'm talking about two contradictory possibilities:

 

1) It is obvious that Jason is leting 1CGS pursues the porting into Flying Circus... AND he sold the entirety of the source code.

 

2) It is obvious that Jason is leting 1CGS pursues the porting into Flying Circus... BUT he kept ownership of original the source code.

 

If the second possibility is what is really happening, then, out of the RoF source code, Jason could put together a new team of developers and create a new flight sim with a new name... "Peanuts vs the Red Baron"... or whatever other name...

 

 

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

it would seem to make more sense for Jason Williams to set up a third party partnering with 1CGS to release Collector Aircraft than it would to attempt to escape with the source code Anyway, that is my 2 cents.

 

 

Why "escaping" with the source code? He purchased it in 2010 and he was the owner for years... so the questions is... did he sell it in the meantime? what happened in 2012? For how long Jason Williams remained the owner of the source code of Rise of Flight?

 

About UgraMedia: it's a subcontracted company. 1CGS develops Flying Circus out of Rise of Flight, end of story. If whether or not they do it by means of a contractor... this is completely irrelevant here. Please guys try to follow the thread.

 

 

[Jason_Williams]

Guys,

 

This really isn't worth discussing further. Just to clear things up as people keep messaging me about this.

 

1. I do not own any source code.

2. I originally owned 777 Studios from 2007-2010, but it became a partnership in 2010. I became a minority owner at that point, but I remained the CEO.
3. 777 Studios only owned the ROF source code from 2010-2013.
4. 777 Studios gave up that ownership when it became part of 1C-777 Ltd. in 2013. At this point I became Executive Producer of IL-2 and remained CEO of 777 Studios on paper. 777 Studios never owned any IL-2 source code and I remained Exec. Producer until late this summer.
5. 777 Studios was closed in 2020 and considered a useless appendage since 2018. So, we closed it.

6. Skystreak Productions LLC is my current business entity that I opened after I moved to NV so I could continue to conduct business with my Russian friends. It owns nothing of IL-2, ROF or 1CGS etc. So my leaving the team has no effect on any ownership. Skystreak will also be closed soon as it's usefulness has run it's course.

 

At every step of the way I made decisions that kept the team funded and profitable over the years so development could continue. What you see now and through the end of this year is the end result of my involvement and stewardship. I hope you guys enjoy it. 

 

Now I'm of to go buy Twitter from Elon.

 

To my American brothers have a good Thanksgiving!

 

Jason

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by Jason_Williams

[oc2209]

2 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

 What you see now and through the end of this year is the end result of my involvement and stewardship. I hope you guys enjoy it.

 

Still very enjoyable, yeah. Despite the incessant complaining from some corners....

 

4 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

Now I'm of to go buy Twitter from Elon.

 

If you pay a penny over $500.00 for it, it's too much.

 

6 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

To my American brothers have a good Thanksgiving!

 

Same to you!

[Avimimus]

16 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

Guys,

 

This really isn't worth discussing further. Just to clear things up as people keep messaging me about this.

 

1. I do not own any source code.

2. I originally owned 777 Studios from 2007-2010, but it became a partnership in 2010. I became a minority owner at that point, but I remained the CEO.
2. 777 Studios only owned the ROF source code from 2010-2013.
3. 777 Studios gave up that ownership when it became part of 1C-777 Ltd. in 2013. At this point I became Executive Producer of IL-2 and remained CEO of 777 Studios on paper. 777 Studios never owned any IL-2 source code and I remained Exec. Producer until late this summer.
4. 777 Studios was closed in 2020 and considered a useless appendage since 2018. So, we closed it.

5. Skystreak Productions LLC is my current business entity that I opened after I moved to NV so I could continue to conduct business with my Russian friends. It owns nothing of IL-2, ROF or 1CGS etc. So my leaving the team has no effect on any ownership. Skystreak will also be closed soon as it's usefulness has run it's course.

 

At every step of the way I made decisions that kept the team funded and profitable over the years so development could continue. What you see now and through the end of this year is the end result of my involvement and stewardship. I hope you guys enjoy it. 

 

Now I'm of to go buy Twitter from Elon.

 

To my American brothers have a good Thanksgiving!

 

Jason

 

 

Thanks for the history.  It is pretty interesting actually.

[kissTheSky]

1 hour ago, Jason_Williams said:

Guys,

 

This really isn't worth discussing further. Just to clear things up as people keep messaging me about this.

 

1. I do not own any source code.

2. I originally owned 777 Studios from 2007-2010, but it became a partnership in 2010. I became a minority owner at that point, but I remained the CEO.
3. 777 Studios only owned the ROF source code from 2010-2013.
4. 777 Studios gave up that ownership when it became part of 1C-777 Ltd. in 2013. At this point I became Executive Producer of IL-2 and remained CEO of 777 Studios on paper. 777 Studios never owned any IL-2 source code and I remained Exec. Producer until late this summer.
5. 777 Studios was closed in 2020 and considered a useless appendage since 2018. So, we closed it.

6. Skystreak Productions LLC is my current business entity that I opened after I moved to NV so I could continue to conduct business with my Russian friends. It owns nothing of IL-2, ROF or 1CGS etc. So my leaving the team has no effect on any ownership. Skystreak will also be closed soon as it's usefulness has run it's course.

 

At every step of the way I made decisions that kept the team funded and profitable over the years so development could continue. What you see now and through the end of this year is the end result of my involvement and stewardship. I hope you guys enjoy it. 

 

Now I'm of to go buy Twitter from Elon.

 

To my American brothers have a good Thanksgiving!

 

Jason

 

Happy Thanksgiving Jason!

[JediMaster]

Jason did a great job steering Il-2 for many years, and I think it safe to say that we wouldn't be here debating this now if we weren't largely approving of the direction he took it.

While it's disconcerting for us to have this sudden change, I'm sure the effect on the team and him has been even larger then they will ever disclose to us, so the armchair generals always get a chuckle out of me. As he's made clear, he's no longer involved in any way beyond the products that were announced in the past that are closing on release. I am anxious about where Il-2 will go after that. Of course things are going to change in some ways, I can only hope they change in a way I will still enjoy and accept.

 

That said, the team has earned my goodwill for the foreseeable future. I will pick up the next project on day one and evaluate their direction again at that time. If I find it greatly disappointing, I will then probably skip the following one. If I find it to be of similar or, miracle of miracles, greater quality, then I will keep on supporting them.

 

Outside of bug reports there is frankly nothing new we're going to tell them about what we want in the future. Theaters, planes, features, upgrades, etc. It's always the same. They're not unaware of what we want them to make, but we do need to keep them informed if something suddenly breaks because as a small team they do need our feedback in that way. The harping on things like strategic bombers, DM/FM changes, Pacific/carriers/Japan, Vulkan/DX12/RT, etc, I mean does anyone here actually think the team doesn't know that by now?

 

There are two types of people--those who press the elevator button once, or see it lit so don't press, and wait patiently for it to come, and those who will press even if it's lit or they see someone press it before them, and keep pressing it periodically until the door opens even though no properly functioning elevator will be affected by that. The latter are annoying. Sometimes sitting and waiting is the only path open.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you JediMaster. My only request to the owners of the "IL-2 Sturmovik" brand is that they let it die of a natural death. Please gentlemen keep the name, and prevent others from use it in a flight sim, but coin new brands! Seriously... if you really are going towards the creation of a new game engine, please, please, please... no fourth IL-2! We have three of them and this is enough! We need new names for new simulators... really...

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by 343KKT_Kintaro
from us it --> from use it

[Jaegermeister]

4 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

To my American brothers have a good Thanksgiving!

 

 

You too... and Happy Holiday Season as well!

 

~S~  

 

[Skycat1969]

29 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

please... no fourth IL-2! We have three of them and this is enough! We need new names for new simulators... really...

I'm looking forward to the future of the series, "I-15 Chaika: Operation Torch."

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you Skycat. Please fellow pilots understand that "IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Normandy" makes as much sense as "Milk and Cookies: Battle of Trafalgar". The rights holders can keep the "IL-2 Sturmovik" brand for the three existing games in this series (all three are still in use and still follow their own path) AND create a universal term, adaptable to any era or theatre of operations. For example, "Air Battles":

 

- "Air Battles: The Fokker Scourge"

- "Air Battles: Knights over Verdun"

- "Air Battles: Bombers Over the Reich"

- "Air Battles: MiGs Over Korea"

- Etc.

 

"Air Battles" is a made-up example, but what I mean is that it is not the name of an aircraft... and too many fans here are forgetting that "IL-2 Sturmovik", as a brand, is nothing but the name of a very specific aircraft being used for... everything, any battle, any theater, any era. After 20 years, now this is a joke.

 

Come on 1C... come on Albert... proove you have some imagination and that you can invent a brand new... brand.

[LukeFF]

33 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

too many fans here are forgetting that "IL-2 Sturmovik", as a brand, is nothing but the name of a very specific aircraft being used for... everything, any battle, any theater, any era.

 

Who are these fans that you are supposedly speaking about? 

 

2 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

We have three of them and this is enough! We need new names for new simulators... really...

 

And again, who is this "we" you're speaking of? If you want to suggest a new name, knock yourself out, but please stop acting like you're some sort of community spokesperson with these requests. 

Edited November 22, 2022 by LukeFF

[343KKT_Kintaro]

5 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Who are these fans that you are supposedly speaking about? 

 

 

All of those who, daily, type "IL2" on these forums when, in reality, they mean "IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles", forgetting, not knowing, or not wanting to know, that there are two other IL-2 games. They are dozens, if not hundreds. So here we are: I repeat there's no necessary reason for the rights holders to reuse a fourth time in 20 years the same name for an eventual fourth game engine.

 

I'm expressing my opinion Luke, that's all. Now please let's keep alive the traditions, post another "haha" emoji on the present post (it's a post of mine, you know).

 

 

[oc2209]

45 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Thank you Skycat. Please fellow pilots understand that "IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Normandy" makes as much sense as "Milk and Cookies: Battle of Trafalgar". The rights holders can keep the "IL-2 Sturmovik" brand for the three existing games in this series (all three are still in use and still follow their own path) AND create a universal term, adaptable to any era or theatre of operations.

 

I agree that 'Sturmovik: Pacific Battle X' is incongruous. Normandy gets more of a pass from me, since it's still the European theater, so the tangential link is there. But the link to the Pacific is far more tenuous.

 

That said, how else do they maintain brand recognition? Making a new name is easy, but how do you let people know that it's a continuation of a similar series they know and whine about love?

 

Unless you're saying that brand recognition isn't worth as much as the possibility of having a broader appeal by having a more generic name. Which may well be a valid point, I can't really say. It's possible that the Sturmovik name has always been a mild turn-off to the unwashed masses.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

To oc2209: I gave my opinion on the brand thing but it is not that important because whatever we discuss, the brand owners will make their own decision... as they made thei own decision in 2011 mixing up soviet attack aircraft with the white cliffs of Dover... an impecable logic. I made a request on a previous post of mine on this thread and it's a personal request. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

To LukeFF: I noticed you edited your last post since the last time I responded to it. Please read this. Thank you in advance.

 

 

[Eisenfaustus]

40 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

All of those who, daily, type "IL2" on these forums when, in reality, they mean "IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles", forgetting, not knowing, or not wanting to know, that there are two other IL-2 games.

Or who think that out of context it might be obvious which title they are talking about - especially since the other two are professionaly dead and now only worked on by passionate modders (even though these do it officially). Many people are very happy with communication that precise enough to be understandable rather then 100% correct all the time. 
 

That‘s why in the GB forum IL-2 means the GB series unless one specifies CLOD or 46. Context. 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

No problem Eisenfaustus, context, ok, but my request to the owners of the brand stands. I copy-paste: "My only request to the owners of the "IL-2 Sturmovik" brand is that they let it die of a natural death. Please gentlemen keep the name, and prevent others from use it in a flight sim, but coin new brands! Seriously... if you really are going towards the creation of a new game engine, please, please, please... no fourth IL-2! We have three of them and this is enough! We need new names for new simulators... really..."

 

That "we need" is nothing but a figure of speech, an impersonal use of the pronoun, but where would be the fun on the forums if not being as picky as some members are, huh?

 

This is the expression of a personal view, my view: three different games sharing the same Soviet aircraft name is... enough. I don't want a fourth game sharing the same name. 1CGS may produce as much simulators as they want but there's no need of eternally calling them "IL-2 Sturmovik".

 

[LukeFF]

Most people here are quite familiar with the differences between the various IL2 titles, either because they've been around since the beginning (including myself) or they've heard about the game on one of the many, many online sources of information about the game. You're not talking about ignorant yokels here who've never laid eyes on a combat flight simulator title before. ? 

 

When I assisted Jason at IL2's booth at the 2018 Flight Sim Expo in Vegas, we didn't need to display explanatory signage about how "this" IL2 is different from CloD and the original IL2, and neither did we thus tell people to please use the proper IL2 term so we know what IL2 title they were talking about. For one thing, it would have been highly insulting and for another, practically everyone who came up to the booth didn't need to need to be told what "this" IL2 was because they already had some sort of familiarity with the title. ?

 

Seriously, do DCS players have this same sort of argument when it comes to separating LOMAC from what's out their now? ? 
 

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I don't want a fourth game sharing the same name. 1CGS may produce as much simulators as they want but there's no need of eternally calling them "IL-2 Sturmovik".

 

I'm sure you'll cope somehow if they decide to use the IL2 title for a 4th time. ?

Edited November 22, 2022 by LukeFF

[Chief_Mouser]

On 11/22/2022 at 7:37 AM, LukeFF said:

 

I'm sure you'll cope somehow if they decide to use the IL2 title for a 4th time. ?

 

 No he won't. It'll cause him untold grief and sore fingers from spamming the forums constantly day and night.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Chief_Mouser

[sevenless]

23 hours ago, dburne said:

Aren't they still working on FC2 or is that now done?

 

It isn´t done. We have yet to see the map and the single player career mode. That is the lacmus test.

[jollyjack]

17 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

Now I'm of to go buy Twitter from Elon.

 

Hurry up then, he's trumping up the price. Better buy his Tesla ?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Did no one read the last update?  Han said the Arras map will be in the game with the next content release, along with the C47 and StuG.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

 

[Voidhunger]

Yes FC3 is planned. Everything will be ok

[simfan2015]

I hope 1C sticks to the original plan to announce FC3 asap! 

Edited November 22, 2022 by simfan2015

[Gambit21]

They will - WW1 is one of the unique aspects of this product so I imagine they’ll keep capitalizing on it.

[migmadmarine]

I do wonder, with the map planned to be released next patch, if part of the reason for holding up the next main-module announcement was to wait so they can announce the details of Vol. 3 at the same time.