IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad Pre-Order Program

[VO101Tom]

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The build that was shown at the event was an early Alpha. MANY features are not final, nor were the effects, nor did it contain all final content. We are making rapid progress though as seen by those at the event. For those that did get to fly it, they can tell you this is not an arcade title and as every bit as hardcore as we promised. Don't let rumors and agendas prevent you from flying over Stalingrad. Help us help you by joining the fight! 

 

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Hi Jason.

 

Can you please give us a little more specific info? My biggest problem, that we don't know the exact level of the FM, DM, CEM and the MP features of BoS, because we don't get detailed info from the devs. I have read myself too, there are rumors (based on the russian forums), that the planes will use exactly same controls (non historical), there will be autopilot in every plane, and the help assistances (auto radiator, auto prop pitch, etc) will be not switchable in the server settings. With other words, the FM and the phisics (like in ROF) will be good, but the control and gameplay will be arcade. Can you (or LOFT) give us detailed info about the CEM, and the opportunities, what equipments will be able to handle by the pilots?

 

Thanks

Edited July 27, 2013 by VO101Tom

[VPK_CARTOON]

Hey Tom ! Greetings from VPK squad. None of us would buy the game if it was an arcade. We all got premium without hesitation. Helpers could be switched on and off on the server side. We will hopefully start our server and you know what - it will be the hardest core ))))) So no worries Tom !

[JG4_Sputnik]

If there won´t be a major bummer in the near feature I´m going to pre order premium as well.

There are just a few dark spots I want them to flash out a little bit more (regarding online play and settings, complexity of the motor management etc.)

 

No doupt in my mind that I´m going to buy the sim, but I just don´t know how much its going to shape out the way I want it to which depends on how much money I´m willing to spend on the product right now.

[Bearcat]

Agreed. I don't want to find myself in a monthly buying frenzy just to keep up with what scenarios servers is currently rotating.

 

The fact of the matter is they have said the their businesses model wont be like RoF. But, for now, it sure seems like it to me. Hopefully they will let us know, before release, what happens next in terms of new content and in what way costumers will have to obtain it. Im sure many needs to know this before they pre order. For obvious reasons.

 

I don't know how may times this can be said or has been said... but unless you want the option to fly every plane in the sim you do not have to buy every plane in the sim.. and if you do want to fly every plane in the sim then you have to buy the pits. There are certain planes that I just will most likely never buy and some I will when they come out.. but all the planes are in the sim and everytime a new plane is released (at least in RoF and I have no reason to think BoS will be much differetn in that respect) it gets added to every copy of the sim automatically when you fire it up and connect. There were a handful of planes in RoF that I got as new .. because I like them for whatever reason (made bals models of them as a kid.. they look sexy.. etc.. ) and wanted to try them out.. but there were others that to this day I still have not flown but I wanted to have just in case.. and I waited for a sale for them and got them.. and other planes I will most likely never buy.. but the bottom line is you don't hae to go on a monthly buying frenzy .. unless yoiu just want to... Out of the 200+ planes in the stock IL2 .. how many do any of us actually prefer to fly...? I mainly fly Red.. the times I have flown a 109 or 190 online I can count on one hand.. so I would most likely never buy one of those upon release... but if I wanted to design a mission with them in it as flyables I could do that whether I had them or not because they will be in the sim as AI.. See how that will work.. Someone correct me if I am wrong here...

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't RoF have like one or two planes for free and others you have to buy? In BoS I don't see the problem, if you look at what you get for starters and what are the ones you have to buy separately. I mean, LA-5 and FW-190 a-3 are not something that would dominate over the other planes. They have said earlier that business model will be something between RoF and old IL-2, and to me it looks exactly like that. You buy a package and get some planes with it and have an option to buy some others from shop if you feel like it. And if they keep it like this, I really don't see a problem. Prices are of course always relative, if I pay, let´s say 20 euros per month for a hobby, I consider it to be cheap. I will most likely be spending more hours flying this than I spend on gym, and still I pay more money for gym membership.

 

That is pretty much my take.. I think this is going to be a great thing and I become more and more impressed with the business model as this thing develops because I can see the sustainability built into it..

[Mastermariner]

It would be nice if we could  ad a few Euros to the final sum just to show our support to the team.

And find a way to send some sandwiches' and bottles of milk to our poor brothers in Bangladesh .

Master

Edited July 27, 2013 by Mastermariner

[Phantom-103]

                                                 ****Brilliant****

    Although I know the Pre-Order trailer is all CGI it really grabbed my attention and got my Blood Pumping

As a veteran of The 10+ yr old IL2 it's fantastic to see The series alive and in such capable hands as 777 Studios.

 

                                                 **** FOCK WULF 190****

                                                ****Premium Ordered****                  

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

hey developers.. u used my comparisonmap picture on your facebookpage.. u better hire me now

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/710-developer-diary-part-xxi/?p=13113

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=496667770411086&set=a.114511108626756.19636.100672376677296&type=1&theater

Edited July 27, 2013 by F19_Klunk

[TJT]

 

From the official description:

Aircraft at Launch: Buyers of the Standard and Premium Editions will get the same base set of 6 aircraft (LaGG-3 (series 29), Bf-109 F-4, IL-2 AM-38 (1942 year's model, single-seat), Ju-87 D-3, Pe-2 (series 87 and 110) and He-111 H-6) with the possibility to earn 2 more aircrafts in the game (Yak-1 and Bf-109 G-2).

 

No mentioning of the two seat version/field mod that I hear folks talk about? Or does that field mod rear gunner fall under the same category as gunpods for a 109?

Edited July 27, 2013 by TJT

[76SQN-J0NJ0N]

Everyone complaining about how 'arcady' the trailer is should be grateful for all the non simmers it will bring in. Always nice to have some easy meat and we might even get some converts..

[SR-F_Winger]

Everyone complaining about how 'arcady' the trailer is should be grateful for all the non simmers it will bring in. Always nice to have some easy meat and we might even get some converts..

Hah, THATS a big point.

 

Winger

Edited July 27, 2013 by Winger

[Rjel]

I'm in. I like what we've been shown up to now, including the new trailer. It might be arcadish to some but it looks very good. It's exciting to watch and I imagine for a casual flight sim buff or someone with a casual interest in WWII avaition, is just what is needed to spark some interest in this sim. IF BoS comes even close to those visuals, I'll be very content. To this point in time, I feel 777 has been very straight up with where the sim is at currently and where they hope it will be at release. I feel much more confident in pre-ordering this compared to several recent titles I've had interest in. This is going to be a great way to spend some long winter evenings that I know aren't far off.  

Edited July 27, 2013 by Rjel

[150GCT_Pag]

Premium ordered!

After over ten years of Il2, I want a new '190! 

[LosT_SouL_VL]

Having had first hand experience of CLOD during and after it's release, i'm holding back untill I see critics and customers reviews of BOS and after I've played a demo of BOS.

 

Better be save than sorry and i'm not going to bump my head on the same stone twice.

[I-WVoss]

Preorder done! I can not wait to return to flying on my FW 190. :-)

 

=CAM= Voss

Edited July 27, 2013 by =CAM=CAMVoss

[Heywooood]

 

 

 

 

Hello

currently only see a video .....

videos of COD also were impressive

I understand what it is worth developing a product .... and that after I leave pay 70 EUR

Yes ... I played the ROF

For now I keep the IL2-1946 works very well .....

If the product is good I'll buy it, but after the last IL2-COD, I 'll wait to be how it works

This may not make the mistake of paying for an unfinished product

 

....and to make it clear this is a forum for opinion, and discussed .... and this is my personal opinion ...is neither good nor bad is an opinion

regards

 

I can totally respect this opinion

 

and I can see a pattern here -  Its unfortunate that CloD did so much damage - not trying to start a flame fest - but the fact is that many many people took CloD on faith alone and consider themselves 'taken in' or cheated.

 

For 777 and 1CGS this is a problem as, in order for this title to  get 'further faster' it needs this early monetary infusion - it needs the same kind of faith. 

They will suffer some at the outset compared to what might have been if CloD had    A) worked as intended     or B) never been born 

The price they have set is fair and reasonable (and BtW equating the sell price to the number of planes included is ludicrous - if I got 50 planes and FSX default Stalingrad terrain and no damage modelling for 50$ - I'd be pessed off utterly nevermind a dollar per plane) 

 

The pedigree of their simulation engine is proven, their talent and desire to make the BoS accurate and true to historical record has been demonstrated, their commitment to original IL2 is obvious, they're all at the very least veteran users of original IL2 familiar with its  strengths and weaknesses. I also note that they have to have more broadbased appeal, so including some elements of the more successful (uufff) game titles is understandable - hopefully those elements will be largely optional so that I can have the experience I expect, and I believe 777 and 1CGS understand that, so I have no problem pre-ordering this time.

I also know that if this effort is supported - we will see the Med, the Pacific, and the BoB in addition to the rest of the Great Patriotic War in the air - from this group. This is NOT CloD (not that it was terrible - it just wasn't what it was meant to be...not performance wise anyway)

 

That said - the sooner the recommended PC specs can be posted, the sooner we can see a vid with 40-50+ in the air and in combat, the sooner we can see elements of Co-Op or the offline campaign design - the sooner the true nature of 'unlocking' weapons and other field mods can be diagrammed - the better. 

777 and 1CGS please be patient with the element of the community that was represented by the opinion expressed by E69_antiguo  - and those of the Il2'46mod hardcore FANBASE who are also wary...

I think everyone wants to be behind BoS but some of us are just going to need more convincing now..unfortunate but real -

 

I for one am looking forward more than ever to next Fridays update...releasing pre-order and the enhanced vid will be a tough act to follow

 

Edited July 27, 2013 by Heywooood

[No.42_Rooster]

Premium ordered... can't wait. I am a proud owner of ROF since it came into being (luv it)  , I was an IL2 fan way back when (luv it) , bought CLoD... well you know bout that one, I have full faith in this dev team... that is why and only why I put out $90.00 right off the bat.  Please, please do not disappoint ( I am thinking you won't  )

 

                 Rooster   S!

[von_Tom]

 

Cool, a thread full of "I've preordered" and "I haven't and this is why." And everyone has a good reason for their choice and there is no flaming.

 

Good stuff that says to me this whole experience is a cathartic sequel to CloD (in a figurative sense as its really an IL2 sequel to me). Maybe forget CloD ever happened and then convince these guys to port over the BoB stuff....

 

Oh yes, preordered the premium edition to support my favourite genre and to get to play it early and for the FW190.

 

Aaaaand during the early access beta or whatever it is I'll be playing through the campaigns and reporting back to squad mates who haven't preordered. After a bit I'll be online under one of my various nom de guerres.

 

Hood

[Recon]

Some questions, as $80 is an investment, which as a dedicated flight sim fanatic is not really a problem as I typically will spend hours and hours flying a game I really enjoy.

 

1. I bought and loved ROF for awhile - the bombing in it was fun.  I didn't like things like 'aligning my gunsight' - I don't get this - seems the guns should 'aligned' already - maybe just something I didn't know about WW1 planes.  I hope this isn't in BOS.  But I digress, the best part of ROF after coming from IL2:1946 was a real sense of 'flight' vs. 'flying on rails'.  Also, the ground, trees, etc... were beautiful, really nicely done.

 

2. I also came back to CLOD recently and downloaded the Team Fusion mod and fly 3.01.  I was incredibly surprised where this disaster of a start of a game actually has turned into an incredible game - complex engine management (no more of this 'start the plane, jack the engine to 100% and fly around all night' garbage - it's very arcade in Il2:1946 compared to CLOD) - that has been 'simulator' quality.  The planes mimic documentation - if you don't, you'll soon have a blown gasket, etc... The flight model is great, and the sounds are just INCREDIBLE.  (pull back the canopy and start firing at bombers, you can hear metal on metal, the roar of the wind, the drowning out of the engine sounds).  The game is now stable and really fun.  Probably the only sad part is it has a bad rep now from it's horrible release, and it does take a good system (I bought a 3GB vid card to run it correctly).  The visibility can be tough, although most books I read it seems to mimic what I read).  I also think being able to customize loadouts is a great feature in CLOD as well.

 

So going into this new BoS, I'm excited, as I do think ROF engine is good, stable, and has proved worth of a successor.  I'm going to assume it has the same sense of flight, which is good.  That said, my biggest concern will be what I think might be a 'step back' from the engine complexity.  This is one reason I can't ever go back to IL2:1946 - it feels cartoonish is and arcade after flying CLOD - lol (never thought I'd say that!).   I'd personally like to hear more on BoS around 'damage models' and 'engine complexity'.  The modelling of both in CLOD Team Fusion 3.01 is frankly, above anything I've seen in a WW2 sim.

 

Secondly, and probably just as important to my buying of premium (it's not a problem again, the real person to market to is my wife, not me - LOL!!!!) - will the 'autumn' release have multiplayer and will a good server be provided for us to fly on to 'test' ?

 

My experience is, if you don't have a good server setup with good missions in place, the game isn't nearly as fun and will be taken negatively.  So I would urge 777/1C to provide a server with some missions for those buying the game, it is a premium cost.  I can't see interest if I'm paying $80 just to fly around in offline mode with no online server.  Not to compare, but in both ROF and CLOD, there has tended to be one server in EST with more than 10 people on it night after night.  I'd see 10+ servers listed every night, but only servers like CLOD ATAG and a few ROF servers even have people flying on them - and mostly because of participation and good map scenarios.

 

 

So in summary, I'm very excited about this announcement, I do trust 777 to deliver.  I'm just as interested in damage modeling and engine management as eye candy this time around.  I'd like to know if this 'pre-release' will have multiplayer and servers running.

 

S! and Thanks!

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

No mentioning of the two seat version/field mod that I hear folks talk about? Or does that field mod rear gunner fall under the same category as gunpods for a 109?

yes, just like in the Battle for Stalingrad, The Pilots of the IL2's new they had the room, thought the JU87 was a good idea and implemented a field mod. so yes you will fly some missions and unlock the field mod for historical content.

[LeLv8_Otto]

Hey Tom ! Greetings from VPK squad. None of us would buy the game if it was an arcade. We all got premium without hesitation. Helpers could be switched on and off on the server side. We will hopefully start our server and you know what - it will be the hardest core ))))) So no worries Tom !

I remember you Cartoon from ADW and it convinces me if you are satisfied with the FM, DM and CEM. That will even make me considering buying the game.

 

I have tried ROF and like someone said it is mainly dogfight. That is fun for some time but after a while I get bored to airquake.

 

Do you think that multiplayer online wars like ADW are possible with the release version of BOS?

Edited July 27, 2013 by LeLv8_Otto

[LosT_SouL_VL]

*** E69_antiguo, on 27 Jul 2013 - 12:36, said:

 

That said - the sooner the recommended PC specs can be posted, the sooner we can see a vid with 40-50+ in the air and in combat, the sooner we can see elements of Co-Op or the offline campaign design - the sooner the true nature of 'unlocking' weapons and other field mods can be diagrammed - the better. ***

 

 

Now that's hitting a home run; I agree with and endorse everything you've asked for.

 

As the things you've asked for will be a large part of the backbone of BOS.

[Rodolphe]

hey developers.. u used my comparisonmap picture on your facebookpage.. u better hire me now

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/710-developer-diary-part-xxi/?p=13113

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=496667770411086&set=a.114511108626756.19636.100672376677296&type=1&theater

 

Hi Klunk.

 

You've probably missed that December 2012 post.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/271-developer-diary-part-ii/page-2

 

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http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/271-developer-diary-part-ii/?p=5420

[OBT-Psycho]

StG2_Davesteu, on 27 Jul 2013 - 09:12, said:

Hey,

 

preordered hours ago - worked fine so wide. I also got a Mail from PayPal but i didn´t get a mail from Il2 and also when i go to the main homepage and click on Profile there appears no order ?! It would be also interessting where i can contact the announced Customer Support.

 

JtD said +1

 

Me three, I got the email from il2 and Paypal but it does not appear on my Profile page.

hi,

I had the same problem when I preordered premium edition and paid via Paypal.

I sent an email this morning to support@1CGS.net and there is their ansewer : 

 

 

"Jerome, thanks for your answer! 

 

It's the issue from PayPal. To you they say that the purchase is ok but to our system PayPal sends: 

Invalid postback (INVALID). So it's strange. Our web programmers are informed and researching what the issue maybe. 

As soon as they send the answer to us what is the best way to do further in such cases we will answer to you.

 

But we will try to solve your issue out in 24 hours"

 

 

I mentioned my email account linked to my profile here and guess what? 1h ago they sent me an email telling me that it was fixed, and so it was.

 

they are amazingly effective considering it is saturday.

 

I'm looking forward to this beta, just like a child before christmas.

[JtD]

Yep, the purchase shows now. Thanks to whoever put in the Saturday hours.

[Blitzen]

I volunteer for this mission!

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

@Rodolpho.. I be darned... well, they better hire us both then

[Zmaj76]

I'm seeing some folks hesitant to purchase because of their CLOD experience. We totally understand that, but please do not base any purchase decision upon what happened with that launch. Please go play ROF and look at what WE have done there. 4 years of development by 777 with dozens of planes, new scenery, thousands of skins, seasonal textures, pilot animations, complex FM, complex damage, several modes of gameplay etc. etc. with no major delays. That is what we do!!!

And if you don't want to buy the premium edition feel free to buy the standard edition and you still get some early access. It's a fair deal. Plus we offer this per-order now so if the response is strong enough we can start working on other planes and new theaters! Please keep that in mind.

I'll be back when Loft and I are done driving all over the damn world. :-)

Jason

Same story again Jason. " buy, preorder, so we can make more planes and new theatres". And then we get less and less planes in the same period of time, no fm fixes and no new MP features because 777 is developing a new jet era sim settled in vietnam. This is what happened with ROF. Expecting 90 or 50 bucks for BOS (will be released in 2014) from ROF customers is ridiculous. ROF MP is almost dead now and mostly its fast food low level dogfights with porked FMs....

I dont have a problem with prices.... just make your promises and fix what ppl want to be fixed and what for they purchased new planes, mods, maps, pistols......

Edited July 27, 2013 by Tvrdi

[Heywooood]

yes - it is a proven business model - just because the new planes and new theatres dont appear when WE want them to doesn't mean its a bad system - it means WE are impatient

[Zmaj76]

yes - it is a proven business model - just because the new planes and new theatres dont appear when WE want them to doesn't mean its a bad system - it means WE are impatient

Dude, we are impatient for 2 years. This is how long we are waiting for another FM fix in ROF. And in the same time BOS was full speed.

Edited July 27, 2013 by Tvrdi

[Drum_Tastic]

Look, if you’re hanging around here but can't commit to buy but have some bull to spout, then keep your bs to yourselves and go and do some flower arranging or something. Is it not plainly obvious that these talented developers are working their butts off to give us something amazing? It’s plain to me.

 

 

I find it hard not to get sick of these moaners who do not have the talent to bring anything to the table but just pick holes. 

 

[Zmaj76]

Look, if you’re hanging around here but can't commit to buy but have some bull to spout, then keep your bs to yourselves and go and do some flower arranging or something. Is it not plainly obvious that these talented developers are working their butts off to give us something amazing? It’s plain to me.[/size]

[/size]

I find it hard not to get sick of these moaners who do not have the talent to bring anything to the table but just pick holes. [/size]

Oh i see, you didnt spent few hundred dollars and beta testing time on ROF just to realize its been used to fund your beloved BOS. gimme my money back bos customer Edited July 27, 2013 by Tvrdi

[Drum_Tastic]

I am not having a go at you personally, and I have owned ROF from day one and spent a lot of money on it, some things I didn't buy, like useless pistols or pilot hair dye and I do not think everything is roses with that game. But I do think that this team holds the keys to part of the future of flight sims and I am going to support it.

 

I am sure we both probably are looking for the same, if not very close things, from this genre.

[JG13_opcode]

I'm seeing some folks hesitant to purchase because of their CLOD experience. We totally understand that, but please do not base any purchase decision upon what happened with that launch. Please go play ROF and look at what WE have done there. 4 years of development by 777 with dozens of planes, new scenery, thousands of skins, seasonal textures, pilot animations, complex FM, complex damage, several modes of gameplay etc. etc. with no major delays. That is what we do!!!

 

And if you don't want to buy the premium edition feel free to buy the standard edition and you still get some early access. It's a fair deal. Plus we offer this per-order now so if the response is strong enough we can start working on other planes and new theaters! Please keep that in mind.

 

I'll be back when Loft and I are done driving all over the damn world. :-)

 

Jason

 

You need to give us more and better info about the product you want us to pay 90 bucks for.

 

Give specifics about the unlock system, etc. so we know what we're buying.

 

Convince us with verifiable facts that this won't be another pay-to-win CLOD missing advertised features.

[Heywooood]

Dude, we are impatient for 2 years. This is how long we are waiting for another FM fix in ROF. And in the same time BOS was full speed.

there have been many updates and new planes in the past 2 years - get real

what Flight Model research could you possibly have on WWI planes that, due to differing natural materials and imperfect mfg and assembly techniques, behaved differently from each other within each type

Mick Mannock, Eddie Rickenbacker among many others have said you could fly one Nieuport 28 and learn its characteristics one day - then hop in a different Nieuport 28 later on the same day and have a completely different experience..

 

Nothing is perfect in an imperfect world...you might smile more if you loosen your grip a little Tvrdi

Or you could make your own flight sim -

Oh i see, you didnt spent few hundred dollars and beta testing time on ROF just to realize its been used to fund your beloved BOS. gimme my money back bos customer

I have spent thousands on flight simulation - DCS, FSX, ROF, IL2, NEW IL2, the list goes on and include 5 or 6 new PC's and upgrades and monitors you name it - so what - I have no control over what those developers did with my money

[SYN_Haashashin]

Oh i see, you didnt spent few hundred dollars and beta testing time on ROF just to realize its been used to fund your beloved BOS. gimme my money back bos customer

 

I still do spend money on RoF, beta testing time there and also mission making time for people to enjoy in our server and also bought BoS premium here. You want your money back?, sell your account and get out of RoF community, delete all internet cookies and RoF related sites from your internet markers and get on with your life. Just tired of you saying the same again and again and again like a little children calling for attention.

 

By the way, loved the presentation, the vids that had been shown and the pics. Cant wait to get my hand dirty with the FMB and make some missions.

Edited July 27, 2013 by SYN_Haashashin

[kakkola]

Premium here!!!!

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

You need to give us more and better info about the product you want us to pay 90 bucks for.

 

Give specifics about the unlock system, etc. so we know what we're buying.

 

Convince us with verifiable facts that this won't be another pay-to-win CLOD missing advertised features.

So what we said don't count about the unlocks?

[Jason_Williams]

Oh i see, you didnt spent few hundred dollars and beta testing time on ROF just to realize its been used to fund your beloved BOS. gimme my money back bos customer

 

$0 is being used to fund BOS. Very, very simple. Every dollar earned with ROF, goes to ROF.

 

Jason

[LukeFF]

Yes, but then my old C2D and 8800GTS could run CLoD, just not very well.  So until I can get some idea of how well my system is going to run it pre-ordering is a no go.  I am not going to spend $90 on a sim that is then going to require yet another upgrade to run decently.

 

If nothing else, if you've not tried ROF, then download it and see how your system runs on it. It'll cost you nothing but some time to see how your system performs with it. 

No mentioning of the two seat version/field mod that I hear folks talk about? Or does that field mod rear gunner fall under the same category as gunpods for a 109?

 

In the pre-alpha version it shows up as a weapon mod, a la Rise of Flight.

[Jason_Williams]

You need to give us more and better info about the product you want us to pay 90 bucks for.

 

Give specifics about the unlock system, etc. so we know what we're buying.

 

Convince us with verifiable facts that this won't be another pay-to-win CLOD missing advertised features.

 

I think I need to give "YOU" more info, not "US", because more than one has already pre-ordered therefore your demand is moot. 

 

So as has been said previously on several occasions, the unlocks cannot be purchased and the business model is different than ROF. Not sure why that is not clear.

 

And again, I need to convince "YOU", because at least some of "US" has already ordered based on the fact that we have already shown over the past 4+ years of solid ROF development that we deliver a well functioning product, not to mention the numerous comments from those who spoke to Loft or I at the USS Hornet event and answered many of their questions about different aspects of the product. Facts abound sir. 

 

If you want to wait that is your choice, but the fun is rapidly approaching. 

 

Jason