IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad Pre-Order Program

[LLv34_Flanker]

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Yes they do. Wohooo!!!

 

 

Description: Pre-Order IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad Premium Edition

Date/Time: Aug. 14, 2013, 9:56 p.m. (Pacific Time)

 

Removed your product key! Thanks to SYN Ricky for pointing it out.

Edited August 15, 2013 by FlatSpinMan

[FuriousMeow]

You may want to delete the hex after the Premium Edition, it's going to be unique to your purchase.

Edited August 15, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[ST_ami7b5]

Agree with the post above, order details should not be displayed in public...

Delete that order number from your post Flanker.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Rinzai

[Zmaj76]

I wonder why they didnt take Bohemia's approach. What they did with ARMA 3 was clever. Release early alpha for, lets say, 25 $, then beta for 40 and full (note, not premium) version of the game for 60 $. This way, you have better sales and the game itself is more affordable, spec to those who would like to alpha/beta test.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Tvrdi

[Heywooood]

well if you buy the early alpha from Bohemia...and you want to upgrade - dont you have to then buy the full version at full price..?

 

I want this one early and I want it in full - this way - thats done for one price...yes?

[TJT]

The earlier you bought Arma 3 the better price deal you got.

What you paid for the alpha or beta gives you the full game at release.

 

http://www.arma3.com/news/arma3-beta-available-on-june-25#.UgzJRZL0Enw

Edited August 15, 2013 by TJT

[Laser]

Well, pre-ordered the premium package. Must support good flight simulators.

 

It's true, i hope the economic conditions will later "positively reverberate" back to a second Rise of Flight,

but i'm also quite anxious to fly these more metal-than-wood crates.

 

So, i wish you - a continuous rain of cash, so you can implement every simmer's wet flight dream detail 

 

 

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

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 Oh crap Sorry did not know that Hope no damage done..

[Uufflakke]

Just speculating from my side but I think if BoS fails for whatever reason it will be the end of WWII combat flight simming. At least for many years.

I may sound like a drama queen but IL2:1946 is outdated, WoP and WT are arcadish, CLOD is history and except BoS I haven't heard any rumours on the www about another WWII flight sim in the making.

 

@ Uu.. I don't think it will be the end of simming.. we will always try to scratch that itch with what we have... I know I will.. if there were no other sims forthcoming and BoS fails.. then I will be flying IL2 till I can no longer do so.. but I don't think that will be an issue.

 

I also agree with gavagai... the more the merrier.. but I think BoS will be special and I think that whatever this unnamed RRG/DCS collaboration is .. it is too far out to even begin to speculate on.. BoS is almost ready to pop. That is where my current hopes lie..

 

 

DCS is throwing its hat in the ring too with RRG studios.  The more the merrier I say.  I hope both are successful.

 

Ah yes, I just read something about it. 

Maybe I was a bit too pessimistic.

RRG (Luthier) and DCS work together on a new WWII flight sim.

 

Quote by Luthier:

 

The official project announcement, alongside screenshots, videos, schedules, and the most detailed feature description you’ve ever seen on any flight sim ever, will come no earlier and no later than September 1st, 2013. The date is very important for the project. We cannot miss it. Be there.

 

Other than that, I won’t be revealing any more details until Sept 1st.

 

We will see, we will see.

[LLv34_Flanker]

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 Interesting. As Uufflakke said, the more the merrier Really interested in Luthier's announcement, so good times ahead for us sim heads

[Yellowsub]

Ah yes, I just read something about it. 

Maybe I was a bit too pessimistic.

RRG (Luthier) and DCS work together on a new WWII flight sim.

 

Quote by Luthier:

 

The official project announcement, alongside screenshots, videos, schedules, and the most detailed feature description you’ve ever seen on any flight sim ever, will come no earlier and no later than September 1st, 2013. The date is very important for the project. We cannot miss it. Be there.

 

Other than that, I won’t be revealing any more details until Sept 1st.

 

We will see, we will see.

 

I have read somewhere he is working on something similiar as DCS: P-51D Mustang, cannot really call that a WW2 flight sim.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Yellowsub

[Panzerlang]

Ah yes, I just read something about it. 

Maybe I was a bit too pessimistic.

RRG (Luthier) and DCS work together on a new WWII flight sim.

 

Quote by Luthier:

 

The official project announcement, alongside screenshots, videos, schedules, and the most detailed feature description you’ve ever seen on any flight sim ever, will come no earlier and no later than September 1st, 2013. The date is very important for the project. We cannot miss it. Be there.

 

Other than that, I won’t be revealing any more details until Sept 1st.

 

We will see, we will see.

 

Eh? Isn't that a quote from the marketing BS for CoD?

 

Oh, it's not? Sounds like it though. And we all saw what happened to the "most detailed feature description yada yada yada" in CoD. Yes, we all got a £30 coaster.

 

Thanks, but where buying BoS vs Luthier's next bus-wreck is concerned I think I'll stick to what'll amount to ice-cream vs piss & vinegar.

[JG27_Chivas]

Eh? Isn't that a quote from the marketing BS for CoD?

 

Oh, it's not? Sounds like it though. And we all saw what happened to the "most detailed feature description yada yada yada" in CoD. Yes, we all got a £30 coaster.

 

Thanks, but where buying BoS vs Luthier's next bus-wreck is concerned I think I'll stick to what'll amount to ice-cream vs piss & vinegar.

 

First off, good to cya around again Siggi, I've enjoyed many of your posts in the past.  I agree it was difficult to see the other game engines potential, unless you had a highly optimized system.  Thankfully the mod community is continuing to prove the potential it has, and appear very positive on the advances they've made for the next patch.

[Heywooood]

my skepticism about Ilya has also grown since IL2 Pacific Fighters debacle...then CloD out of the box clowncoaster came along and ssank the damn boat....

 

he comes across like a Buick salesman..." oh yer gonna want that true coat now...that true coats the greatest...It'll keep that finish looking showroom fresh til jebus cripes returns"

[dburne]

I was thinking Ilya ended up being dealt a bad hand, when Oleg left and he had to clean things up the best that he could, with not a lot to work with. But I am sure there are many way more in the know than I. And Pacific Fighters, now I was never a serious online player, but I also had many , many hours of great enjoyment offline with it.

 

As far as the DCS deal, if it indeed is for DCS and sure sounds like it is, then it will have some tough oversight and things it will have to live up to - I don't see ED letting a sub par sim come out under their name.

 

But - this thread is about BOS by 1C/777, a very exciting sim on our immediate horizon - and any new creation, will have a tough act to follow I suspect, I believe and am hopeful, BOS will set a new bar. I have been flying ROF for a few months now, and have a feeling of what to expect the least, and it being even better will be outstanding.

Edited August 17, 2013 by dburnette

[reddog=11blueleader*]

Hello fliers, I am new to the forum. I am a ROF flier and look forward to this BOS sim. Question, when you pre-order does the game come in a boxed version or a download?

[dburne]

Download - I do not believe they have made a decision yet on whether they will offer a boxed version.

 

And welcome to this great forum! There is quite a bit of excitement around these parts!

Edited August 17, 2013 by dburnette

[Heywooood]

I was thinking Ilya ended up being dealt a bad hand, when Oleg left and he had to clean things up the best that he could, with not a lot to work with. But I am sure there are many way more in the know than I. And Pacific Fighters, now I was never a serious online player, but I also had many , many hours of great enjoyment offline with it.

 

As far as the DCS deal, if it indeed is for DCS and sure sounds like it is, then it will have some tough oversight and things it will have to live up to - I don't see ED letting a sub par sim come out under their name.

 

But - this thread is about BOS by 1C/777, a very exciting sim on our immediate horizon - and any new creation, will have a tough act to follow I suspect, I believe and am hopeful, BOS will set a new bar. I have been flying ROF for a few months now, and have a feeling of what to expect the least, and it being even better will be outstanding.

I'm thinking Oleg was never fully invested in CloD - saw the mistakes growing during development and bailed...PF debacle was WRT the Grumman fiasco as well as many 'perported' features that would never materialize - much the same as CloD..."guys - this is going to be all your dreams fullfilled and then some, stay tuned"...etc ad nauseum

just make the thing - make it well and let it do the selling - like 777 1CGS are doing...no hyperbole, just solid work and reveals along the way - lets me get excited for a REASON...not artificially pumped up over...NOTHING

[Bearcat]

Thanks, but where buying BoS vs Luthier's next bus-wreck is concerned I think I'll stick to what'll amount to ice-cream vs piss & vinegar.

  Yghhhck .. just the thought....

 

As far as the DCS deal, if it indeed is for DCS and sure sounds like it is, then it will have some tough oversight and things it will have to live up to - I don't see ED letting a sub par sim come out under their name.

 

But - this thread is about BOS by 1C/777, a very exciting sim on our immediate horizon - and any new creation, will have a tough act to follow I suspect, I believe and am hopeful, BOS will set a new bar. I have been flying ROF for a few months now, and have a feeling of what to expect the least, and it being even better will be outstanding.

 

I agree.. When I think about the level of concrete info we have had over the last 8 months.. and I think about other sims I have waited for with anticipation in the past .. CFS & SoW:BoB/CoD are the only two I really ever was heated about as far as expectations go, it really bodes well for the future.. There is just so much consistent information coming down .. and good stuff too, not just smoke and mirrors.

[reddog=11blueleader*]

Thank you dburnette, looking forward to join in the chat. Thinking about pre-ordering now!

[Feathered_IV]

I have read somewhere he is working on something similiar as DCS: P-51D Mustang, cannot really call that a WW2 flight sim.

 

Ah yes, I just read something about it. 

Maybe I was a bit too pessimistic.

RRG (Luthier) and DCS work together on a new WWII flight sim.

 

Quote by Luthier:

 

The official project announcement, alongside screenshots, videos, schedules, and the most detailed feature description you’ve ever seen on any flight sim ever, will come no earlier and no later than September 1st, 2013. The date is very important for the project. We cannot miss it. Be there.

 

Other than that, I won’t be revealing any more details until Sept 1st.

 

We will see, we will see.

 

 

Battle of Poland perhaps.  The invasion began on September 1st.

 

As interesting a scenario as that may be, it will be a very long time before I can take any of Luthier's claims seriously again.  "The most detailed feature description you’ve ever seen on any flight sim ever?"   Just this once, lets not have a fiasco.

[Krupi]

Well I decided that I had to purchase the game... Do we have any images of the fw190 yet?

[Dutch]

Well I decided that I had to purchase the game... Do we have any images of the fw190 yet?

   

 

Nice to hear from you mate.

[AX2]

Here has a wallpaper from Facebook. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something is very wrong .. 

 

I have doubts about several things .. I not pre order for now

Sorry guys...

I have must be honest .

Really sorry 

[TheBlackPenguin]

 

Here has a wallpaper from Facebook. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something is very wrong .. 

 

I have doubts about several things .. I not pre order for now

Sorry guys...

I have must be honest .

Really sorry 

 

 

What are you finding wrong? The picture of a captured Fw-190?

[AX2]

What are you finding wrong? The picture of a captured Fw-190?

 

The sim is fully oriented to the Soviet market .. obviously! 

I'm neutral but..

You can breathe it in everywhere, When you see that, Then you doubts about FM and DM.

Sorry , I'm a fool, but I don´t lie. 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2013 by Mustang

[Heywooood]

lol Mustang - you must be joking

[Feathered_IV]

Never seen that photo before. Must be one of the new discoveries from the archive.

Just preordered mine at last. Cheer up Mustang!

[TheBlackPenguin]

 

The sim is fully oriented to the Soviet market .. obviously! 

I'm neutral but..

You can breathe it in everywhere, When you see that, Then you doubts about FM and DM.

Sorry , I'm a fool, but I don´t lie. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, and also at the WW2 aviation enthusiast. I have trust with the team that they're going to go by the numbers and the historical record (or records), which is something they have excellent access to and won't 'fudge' any FM or DM to suit any preconceptions or needs of a market where an uncertain amount may ask for their planes to get powered up to be something they're not, or the Luftwaffe getting the opposite treatment. 

 

I'm sure they will show some 109's soon

[AX2]

lol Mustang - you must be joking

Maybe .

 

 

 Cheer up Mustang!

 

Ofcourse 

 

Yes, and also at the WW2 aviation enthusiast. I have trust with the team that they're going to go by the numbers and the historical record (or records), which is something they have excellent access to and won't 'fudge' any FM or DM to suit any preconceptions or needs of a market where an uncertain amount may ask for their planes to get powered up to be something they're not, or the Luftwaffe getting the opposite treatment. 

 

Thats is a good point...

Also if something is wrong, you can always "fight" in the forums for a new patch . 

Ok I'm will buy a  pre-order.

Edited August 20, 2013 by Mustang

[Zak]

The sim is fully oriented to the Soviet market .. obviously! 

I'm neutral but..

You can breathe it in everywhere, When you see that, Then you doubts about FM and DM.

Sorry , I'm a fool, but I don´t lie. 

Thanks for being honest. So I'll be sincere too.

We're not oriented on any specific market as we never were with Rise of Flight. And there's no logical reason for it because it's a flight sim (not a story-telling RTS like CoH2), and its audience is spread all around the world, so we don't need to "overpower" soviet planes for the sake of patriotism.

In Autumn you'll have a chance (I mean premium pre-order owners) to check it personally duelling on a LaGG versus Friedrich.

Keep neutral, yes, it's the right way I think

[LuftManu]

Thanks for being honest. So I'll be sincere too.

We're not oriented on any specific market as we never were with Rise of Flight. And there's no logical reason for it because it's a flight sim (not a story-telling RTS like CoH2), and its audience is spread all around the world, so we don't need to "overpower" soviet planes for the sake of patriotism.

In Autumn you'll have a chance (I mean premium pre-order owners) to check it personally duelling on a LaGG versus Friedrich.

Keep neutral, yes, it's the right way I think

 

I agree whit Zak.

 

You can be more from one side or another, but here they try to be Historic, that means that the specs of the planes must be "Equal" to the real one.

 

I,m Glad i preordered this, Thanks Team.

[Sgt_Joch]

Thanks for being honest. So I'll be sincere too.

We're not oriented on any specific market as we never were with Rise of Flight. And there's no logical reason for it because it's a flight sim (not a story-telling RTS like CoH2), and its audience is spread all around the world, so we don't need to "overpower" soviet planes for the sake of patriotism.

In Autumn you'll have a chance (I mean premium pre-order owners) to check it personally duelling on a LaGG versus Friedrich.

Keep neutral, yes, it's the right way I think

 

yes, it is vital that all planes, Soviet and Germans be modeled on the same standard.

 

I am sure we all remember what happened in old  IL-2 where Oleg Maddox finally admitted that he was modeling the German planes based on the best available data and was only modeling the Russian planes based on the average of all data due to the unceasing complaining of the German lobby.

 

We certainly don't want to see Russian planes being artificially neutered again.

Edited August 20, 2013 by 2Lt_Joch

[72sq_Savinio]

Winter is coming.    :pilot:

[Zak]

We're at 1C Company's booth in the GamesCom business hall

 

[csThor]

yes, it is vital that all planes, Soviet and Germans be modeled on the same standard.

 

I am sure we all remember what happened in old  IL-2 where Oleg Maddox finally admitted that he was modeling the German planes based on the best available data and was only modeling the Russian planes based on the average of all data due to the unceasing complaining of the German lobby.

 

We certainly don't want to see Russian planes being artificially neutered again.

 

I find this insinuation utterly primitive, one-sided and revealingly selective when it comes to remembering Il-2. There are several soviet aircraft that got "advantageous treatment" especially when it comes to DM and engine management (read: overheating). La-5 family anyone?

Edited August 20, 2013 by csThor

[Sgt_Joch]

I find this insinuation utterly primitive, one-sided and revealingly selective when it comes to remembering Il-2. There are several soviet aircraft that got "advantageous treatment" especially when it comes to DM and engine management (read: overheating). La-5 family anyone?

 

good show csThor, veiled personal insults about my objectivity followed by your take that several Russian planes were "overmodeled". Very mature and objective. I see we are off to a good start.

 

I am sure we all remember what a zoo the old IL-2 forum became especially over FM "discussions". The sim won't be released for six-nine months and you already have several posters questioning the sources the developppers will be using to make sure German planes are not "under-modelled".

 

The only way the new sim will please the majority is if all planes, Russian and German, are modelled using the same standards. I am sure we can all agree on that.

Edited August 20, 2013 by 2Lt_Joch

[Sim]

I think the issue is that the devs touted that they have access to the new Soviet archive document that just happen to have data on Luftwaffe aircraft too. That doesn't sound too good.. for Luftwaffe flyers

[FTC_Karaya]

yes, it is vital that all planes, Soviet and Germans be modeled on the same standard.

 

I am sure we all remember what happened in old  IL-2 where Oleg Maddox finally admitted that he was modeling the German planes based on the best available data and was only modeling the Russian planes based on the average of all data due to the unceasing complaining of the German lobby.

 

We certainly don't want to see Russian planes being artificially neutered again.

 

I see... that is why the La-5/7 family is based entirely on "etalon" prototype aircraft instead of actual production planes

 

Or why the LaGG-3 S29/35 "accidentally" flew with the VK-107 engine for 1-2 patches till the "error" was corrected.

 

Or why Soviet bombs had about twice the explosive radius than bombs of similar size/weight of all other nations (except the Japanese, those had some crazy uber bombs as well). That has only been corrected after TD took over development...

 

Btw if you find csThor's comment to your post insulting already then you are a very thin-skinned individual. Calling names is an insult, being of a different opinion is not.

[TheBlackPenguin]

I think the issue is that the devs touted that they have access to the new Soviet archive document that just happen to have data on Luftwaffe aircraft too. That doesn't sound too good.. for Luftwaffe flyers

 

It is one of the sources they will use I believe. Honestly, once the sim ships and someone feels something is wrong the standards should apply to the poster too, simply put show your evidence and match it to what they're seeing in the sim. I hope most discussions around FM get locked if they lack data, otherwise it turns into a pissing match just like it has begun to now, and this is even before we have any access to it .

 

This is a different team from the one that shipped the original game, and we're so far getting greater access than before even, let the past rest in this case and look forward. I want the FM's to be as realistic as possible, I am sure everyone else does too including the team.