IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad Pre-Order Program

[Heywooood]

Jason indicated that those numbers woukd not likely be revealed -

[BMW801]

I thought so, but it doesn't hurt to ask. I was just curious because I am hoping for a large response to assure the success of this project. I hope the developers have what they need to complete everything to their satisfaction and open the way for future expansions like the first IL2. I well understand that nobody likes to work for free, even if they love their work.

[Rjel]

Whether we ever hear the amount of sales or not, anyone could guess that the preorder system has been successful. This place has been jumping for a week solid. The future looks bright for BoS I think.

[BMW801]

That's my impression too. I am glad that there are so many people who are as excited about this as I am. I have a lot of respect for the flight sim community. The knowledge of the people on this forum is impressive and will help smooth out the edges once it is released.

[SYN_Mike77]

I don't know how many preorders there have been but there is one more premium order than there was a few minutes ago

[Original_Uwe]

seriously i need to know the release date so i can try to schedule that day off.

[Recon]

At that point it really wouldn't be a preorder would it? I guess we all have to decide which side of the fence we want to sit.

 

Does it matter much if I pay $90 anytime before it's shipped ? It's still almost $50 more than the release cost would be so sure.  And there isn't a reason to guess, I don't tend to buy bridges in NY, when I see it, then I'll believe it. 

 

Gotta love the peer pressure around here at times  

I paid for mine. I'm still pissed that IL-2:CoD is dead for me (cannot run it on my Windows 8 x64 box, at all) and that development for the game is dead.

 

I had high hopes for it and did enjoy it for a bit.

 

But now for something newer, and better, hopefully more accurate and will get lots of support as the only flight sim I am playing right now is Rise of Flight (which is fantastic, but I like a little more modern birds).

 

Team Fusion has released updates - the game plays rather well at this point actually.

[Rjel]

 Gotta love the peer pressure around here at times  

 

Peer pressure? Buy it or don't, I couldn't care less.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Does it matter much if I pay $90 anytime before it's shipped ? It's still almost $50 more than the release cost would be so sure.  And there isn't a reason to guess, I don't tend to buy bridges in NY, when I see it, then I'll believe it. 

 

Gotta love the peer pressure around here at times  

 

Team Fusion has released updates - the game plays rather well at this point actually.

 

Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Lol come on man we are just excited and confident.

[Bearcat]

Does it matter much if I pay $90 anytime before it's shipped ? It's still almost $50 more than the release cost would be so sure.  And there isn't a reason to guess, I don't tend to buy bridges in NY, when I see it, then I'll believe it. 

 

Gotta love the peer pressure around here at times  

 

I would be inclined to think that the initial release will be more like $50-$$60 ....

 

Do you really think that it is peer pressure that has so many people jumping on this? I find it interesting that most of the ones who post and say they pre ordered are going gold instead of silver.. but that they pre ordered.. or I should say we pre ordered is no surprise at all to me considering... the totality of the information given about BoS up to this point.. Some may think it's hype.. but it looks like some pretty convincing hype of you ask me..

[TheBlackPenguin]

seriously i need to know the release date so i can try to schedule that day off.

 

More like days off, first day is just for getting started .

[JG4_Sputnik]

OK I know I'll get roasted for this but could 1st Sept have anything to do with this?...

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1811384&postcount=153

 

The good news is that for our genre the prophets of doom following 1C pulling the plug in CoD look to be dumbfounded by BoS and the ED/RRG plans.

 

Wow! I mean.. Just WOW!

Looks like there will be some competition to come. And they will be focussing on startup procedure of every plane which is somewhat a bit of a tease I suppose

Great news even though I don't understand why they don't focus on Korea or such since the ww2 is being covered by 777 now?

[HW2013]

Another premium edition bought! I just couldn't resist it. And I want to believe in the future of serious military flight sims.

 

Looking forward to do some dive bombing with my Stuka!

[Recon]

I would be inclined to think that the initial release will be more like $50-$$60 ....

 

Do you really think that it is peer pressure that has so many people jumping on this? I find it interesting that most of the ones who post and say they pre ordered are going gold instead of silver.. but that they pre ordered.. or I should say we pre ordered is no surprise at all to me considering... the totality of the information given about BoS up to this point.. Some may think it's hype.. but it looks like some pretty convincing hype of you ask me..

 

right, so I just asked a question really - simple question- ie. will pre-order deals be around until the release of the product, or just until, ie. Sept 1.

 

 

And yes, it seems rather logical to me that if I know a pre-order is available on, ie. Sept 1st, and on Sept 1st everyone is talking about how BoS is like the 2nd coming, then surely, I put down $90 so I can start playing it in September instead of waiting for the spring.

 

The idea that the pre-order deal would end at the very start of making it available seems odd - I'd assume the pre-order will go at least until the end of the year if they want to keep getting more funds for a spring release.

 

My 'peer pressure' comment was directed at the whole 'get off the fence' comment - that isn't really needed, the question was quite plain and simple and direct  

[Rjel]

My 'peer pressure' comment was directed at the whole 'get off the fence' comment - that isn't really needed, the question was quite plain and simple and direct  

 

My original comment was meant to say if someone waited til the game was released to order, then in my mind that someone was no longer preordering. Simple as that. I never said anyone should "get off the fence", only that they have to decide what they want to do by deciding which side of the preorder process they want to be on. I decided what I wanted to do. What you do matters not to me.

[Heywooood]

yeah - no pressure

 

everybody is free to move about the cabin

[Bearcat]

right, so I just asked a question really - simple question- ie. will pre-order deals be around until the release of the product, or just until, ie. Sept 1.

My 'peer pressure' comment was directed at the whole 'get off the fence' comment - that isn't really needed, the question was quite plain and simple and direct  

 

My point was that there is no "pressure' other than the pressure being applied by the devs to knock fence sitters ff the fence with more information.. and please.. don't take offense at anything I post because I have none intended in case it seems that way with the fog of typed conversation.. Yes your question was logical and there was nothing wrong with it.. My comment was related to the peer pressure part anfd the bridges in NY part.. which seemed to me to insinuate someone trying to scam someone else with false claims to abridge they don't own..

 

Having said that.. it is in interesting concept.. you raise.. Say the first pre order release is Sept 1... does tat mean that if you buy it on Sept 2 that you will have to wait for the next pre order release.. or the spring... Probably... in any case I think there will be a lot of happy flight simmers come the middle of September and quite a few grumblers as well ... That is a given I have found.. I think one of the things that makes this such a nicke market is the fact that most of us are older, and are expecting more than just a gaming experience..

[Rjel]

... in any case I think there will be a lot of happy flight simmers come the middle of September and quite a few grumblers as well ...

 

That's for sure. I've never been accused of being the most optimistic guy around, but some of the people I've crossed pathes with on sim boards over the last 14+ years sure make me feel that way. Some can take a positive topic and turn it into something sinister. There are always the half full/ half empty guys around, but some simmers are more the half empty... and who the hell took my other half sorts.

[LuftManu]

I feel bad because I preordere the Standard and no the Premium, I cant afford more than 50$ Right now I hope i Can help too!

[Heywooood]

I bought the standard release, but I had some second thoughts..maybe I should have spent more to get the Premium..(not that I could afford it really - even the 50$ was "unauthorized" lol)

but after thinking it over, I'm satisfied that I have paid no more than the typical price for a flight sim, I have paid in advance to provide earnest money to the developers, and I will have early access to the sim this year,

after it has been adjusted by the feedback from the Premium crowd.

 

I'm good right here

Edited August 3, 2013 by Heywooood

[Panzerlang]

I only preordered for the golden plane. I figure they must still be doing its FM or something though as it hasn't appeared yet.

[Heywooood]

I look at the Fw they are releasing as more of an indicator of where the next expansion will be...they say it will be available to Premium buyers first but do not say when....

 

Don't be surprised if it is NOT available for a while - if you are Premium - you still get it before anyone else

[BSS_Stel]

Have never pre-ordered anything before, but based on how 777 Studios and Jason have handled public relations with ROF, they have earned my trust, and my $.  I just pre-ordered Premium today.  Most are very forgiving with glitches and errors, especially with new developments that advance the genre.  But there is very little patience with developers that ignore the community and don't communicate.  That is one mistake that 777 has been able to avoid with ROF and, from the looks of it so far, will avoid with this sim.  Keep the lines of communication open boys, even to the haters. 

 

Looking forward to getting shot down in yet another flight sim. 

 

v/r

BSS stel

[hiro]

I'm excited! 

 

 

This fall, the US simmers will crash out sites like new egg LaWlz

 

Thanks everyone for preordering and to those that are backing the Devs and the mods. We need to back up those building and holding the foundations of the community . . . 

 

 

Thanks for the mods for fielding all the posts . . .

 

Whats funny is this whole set of posts proves that the devs and mods are doing their jobs and others  . .. well falling asleep (on the job ) or aren't, or simply trying to take away from what this game really is and blocking others from checking it out. 

 

 

We as posters, our job is to give our opinions and comment, and use relevance, facts, and use good judgement. 

 

 

I guess the last few pages or so, they rage quit lol  (they meaning people that posted bull excrement in the examples outlined below)

 

 

 

Seriously posts like this shouldn't even be dropped electronically, like old newspaper editor would say, 'It ain't worth the pulp (paper) its printed on." 

 

Trolling . . .  

 

 

So, the way the announcement was worded makes it seem like unless you pre-order, you cannot ever unlock the La-5 and Fw 190

 

True?

 

I find the 89.99 price tag to be disgustingly excessive for a game with nothing published.  CLOD was a dismal, dismal failure so I'm very skeptical about pre-ordering.

 

 

 

 

You need to give us more and better info about the product you want us to pay 90 bucks for.

 

Give specifics about the unlock system, etc. so we know what we're buying.

 

Convince us with verifiable facts that this won't be another pay-to-win CLOD missing advertised features.

 

 

 

 

Bearcat, does part of your contract as a moderator include a stipulation that you have to be a rabid defender of the product and automatically attack people who are rightfully skeptic? A stipulation to constantly be constructing support? I got the same forced vibe from FSM's hype thread a few weeks/months ago.

I used the term "us" to mean "we, the skeptics" and I find your behaviour to be akin to a person covering their ears and repeating a mantra.

Huge textwalls won't cancel out the fact that yes, this new team is a merger of ROF people and CLOD people. Therefore it by definition includes the CLOD team, or some part of it. You can ignore that fact all you want but it doesn't mean it's not true: Maybe some of you are prepared to put all the blame on Luthier but in my experience it takes two to tango, and I don't need Bearcat jumping down my throat every time I express well-deserved caution and skepticism.

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Jason keeps saying "it's totally different from ROF" but doesn't give specifics as to the way in which it's different. First it was "you can unlock everything by grinding" and now it's pay-to-win with the two best planes available for $20 each.

 

 

 

It's like someone that doesn't know how to drive stick shift, go out and buy a Chevelle SS (stick shift ride), crash it, and blame Chevy for making an effed up car. 

 

Or those people that own a single core P4 and buy a current $900 nvidia card and wonder why it won't fit  in it. And claim they were deceived. 

 

There is misinformation:  " So, the way the announcement was worded makes it seem like unless you pre-order, you cannot ever unlock the La-5 and Fw 190 " 

 

Devs said this

• Special Aircraft Set: Buyers of the Premium Edition will also get access to a couple more special aircraft (La-5 and Fw-190 A-3) which cannot be obtained in the game, but can be purchased in our store after launch

 

(pss this is basic, elementary, reading) 

 

Then stating bearcat is attacking, man your credibility goes out the window

 

There is

 

1. mis information

 

2. trolling

 

3. saying something that didn't happen = lying

 

Note; this may show same time / date stamp for some reason the forums keeps the same time stamp but the quotes came from the same person

 

 

 

 

Or junk like this reply to Jason's ROF money (generated) goes to ROF . . . 

 

 

OK. Lets pretend that is true. You know very well, that many mp folks from ROF purchased planes and mods they never fly and use just to support your team in hope you will fix most critical issues ( FM etc) in the sim. And what you did is work on BOS. Well, how do we know you wouldnt have the same approach for BOS....in some stage of development? Like I said earlier, I dont have a problem to pay and support your or anybody elses products of my interest as long as you have honest and truthfull approach. In fact I wouldnt mind if you told us what is really going on.....from the day one....at least i wouldnt snap. Like my father told me once. "Son. Whatever it is. Tell me the truth. I cant stand a lie." I know marketing and bussiness is always "2 truths and one lie". But is it worth at the end?


at the end BOS would be success only with honest approach after all the recent fiaskos in sim market....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, Jason gave the answer and it's being twisted .  Hey I like pretzels, may you can give a hand at that, I'm sure the twisting skills would be AWES . . .OME. 

 

It's one thing to have an opinion, like waiting until the game gets reviewed or until its out. But its wrong to not order and try to spread misinformation 

 

Or use false 'pseudo logic' to try to convince others. 

 

The Dev's had a great track record with ROF. And they gave us information much more than CLOD's crew did in their dev phase. 

 

 

Some are saying don't get mad as it's a simple call for more information. Posts like above ain't asking for more info. It's trolling and instigating, which lead to the shenanigans in the banana zone.

 

But all the people that were trolling, man those posters  just lost serious credibility, built mistrust, and they just became an internet funny and in fact solidified the argument against their false claims. 

 

 

A good way to post is just state your opinion, and give your reasoning, your personal take on this. Don't write out of context. Don't push your opinion as fact or truth. Don't twist what others said. 

 

Red is red and blue is blue. 

Edited August 3, 2013 by hiro

[Heywooood]

nice editorial

[Original_Uwe]

OK.

[Recon]

it is in interesting concept.. you raise.. Say the first pre order release is Sept 1... does tat mean that if you buy it on Sept 2 that you will have to wait for the next pre order release.. or the spring... Probably... in any case I think there will be a lot of happy flight simmers come the middle of September and quite a few grumblers as well ... That is a given I have found.. I think one of the things that makes this such a nicke market is the fact that most of us are older, and are expecting more than just a gaming experience..

 

That would be an awful business arraignment.

 

"It's past Sept 1st, therefore we no longer want your $89 for pre-order"

 

"pre-order" tends to refer to "buying the game before it's actually released to the market" - which in this case is in the spring. 

 

I would find it absurd if 777 prevented people from paying $89 after Sept 1st.

 

The only thing I've heard is "if you buy before Sept 1st we will give you the IL2 rear gunner without needing to unlock it".

 

Actually, it would be in their benefit - imagine this ... those 'fence sitters" will wait until after the pre-release time date and all those who get it will be all excited and coming here on the forum proclaiming it to be very wonderful which leads more people to want it, and triggers more $89 purchases.

 

And on the flip side, if the pre-release is .. meh... then all the 'fence sitters' will go back to flying whatever they were before and say 'we'll wait and see how the next release goes'

 

I haven't heard much details on this  - like will it ship with a server to host mp games on, etc... - that would be one area where I'd like to help 'test' on  

[leitmotiv]

whay do you think guys who get the game in alfa or beta will be able to talk about it on open forum?

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I dont think the closed beta team will get to talk about it, but the Open Beta usually means there is no NDA.  I think that after 9-1-2013 you can still preorder at the 59$ dollar offering.

[Bearcat]

That would be an awful business arraignment.

 

"It's past Sept 1st, therefore we no longer want your $89 for pre-order"

 

"pre-order" tends to refer to "buying the game before it's actually released to the market" - which in this case is in the spring. 

 

I would find it absurd if 777 prevented people from paying $89 after Sept 1st.

 

The only thing I've heard is "if you buy before Sept 1st we will give you the IL2 rear gunner without needing to unlock it".

 

Actually, it would be in their benefit - imagine this ... those 'fence sitters" will wait until after the pre-release time date and all those who get it will be all excited and coming here on the forum proclaiming it to be very wonderful which leads more people to want it, and triggers more $89 purchases.

 

And on the flip side, if the pre-release is .. meh... then all the 'fence sitters' will go back to flying whatever they were before and say 'we'll wait and see how the next release goes'

 

I haven't heard much details on this  - like will it ship with a server to host mp games on, etc... - that would be one area where I'd like to help 'test' on  

 

Perhaps .. we shall surely see.. Frankly I think all roads lead to The Battle of Stalingrad and fence sitters will be hitting the snow soon enough.. once the reviews start coming in .. all except those who are

[dburne]

That would be an awful business arraignment.

 

"It's past Sept 1st, therefore we no longer want your $89 for pre-order"

 

"pre-order" tends to refer to "buying the game before it's actually released to the market" - which in this case is in the spring. 

 

I would find it absurd if 777 prevented people from paying $89 after Sept 1st.

 

 

 

I would think , the pre-order time frame would be the time frame determined by the developers, and from what I have seen so far I doubt they even know how long they will extend the offer. There is nothing stated anywhere that says they have to keep that invitation open up until the day before release...

 

The only comment I have seen from the developers, was one by Jason when someone was asking how long he had to pre-order and get in on it, Jason only commented that " you have time", with a smiley.

 

I am confident if they decided to put a window on that time frame, they would let everyone know plenty ahead of time to allow all to get in on the pre-order that wanted to.

[Feathered_IV]

OK. Lets pretend that is true. You know very well, that many mp folks from ROF purchased planes and mods they never fly and use just to support your team in hope you will fix most critical issues ( FM etc) in the sim. And what you did is work on BOS. Well, how do we know you wouldnt have the same approach for BOS....in some stage of development? Like I said earlier, I dont have a problem to pay and support your or anybody elses products of my interest as long as you have honest and truthfull approach. In fact I wouldnt mind if you told us what is really going on.....from the day one....at least i wouldnt snap. Like my father told me once. "Son. Whatever it is. Tell me the truth. I cant stand a lie." I know marketing and bussiness is always "2 truths and one lie". But is it worth at the end?

 

 

at the end BOS would be success only with honest approach after all the recent fiaskos in sim market....

 

 

Purchasing one thing with the expectation of receiving another seems a bit like continuously eating at a vegan restaurant because you one day expect to be served steak. 

[ECV56_SkyHell]

Pre-ordered premium!!

[TheBlackPenguin]

Pre-ordered premium!!

 

Welcome aboard!

[CPSWolff]

I'm retired and one of the really old sim guys at 75. Played a lot of them over the years and watched them come and go. IL2 has lasted over 10 years for me and the group of other "old guys" I fly with each night. Some from Germany, England, and the US. A pre-order like this (and I have pre-ordered the premium package) is one way for a developer to fund the project. The extra two planes and the gold emblem are not a good reason to pay the almost $90...getting the beta early may be a little incentive for guys like me who want to rush the process. The real reason I pre-ordered is to show support for a company that appears to be on the path to making one of the top flight-sims for the next several years. If it can last like the original IL2 the game will be a goldmine for the developer as people purchase additional modules and planes, and I will have another great game to fly with my friends.

 

Over the years I've "invested" in several companies with pre-orders like this and the final product was a dud in the long run. That's the risk I take. I have high hopes for this one and wish the developer the very best of luck. By the way, my CPS buddies are also pre-ordering.

[Heywooood]

there you go - plain and simple - take it or leave it - hope for the best and let the chips fall where they may...I LOVE that attitude and it could not have been said any better

 

welcome to the NEW IL2 Wolff

[I/JG27_Rollo]

I only preordered for the golden plane. I figure they must still be doing its FM or something though as it hasn't appeared yet.

 

Well, I think all of us preorderers must think about differentiating between having early access this autumn and getting the special aircraft and equipment.

 

Aircraft like the Fw 190 might not be ready for quite some time, so when we get early access, we might start out only with a couple of aircraft which are ready then but not everything that we will get when the game gets released.

 

At least that's how I understand the early access program...

[71st_AH_Hooves]

That'd be fine by me,   I consider even 90 dollars a steal for what we are getting.  Both now and in the future.  Though I can tell alot of, would be russian squadrons, that pre ordered are gonna get the snot knocked out of em for a few months lol

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Well, I think all of us preorderers must think about differentiating between having early access this autumn and getting the special aircraft and equipment.

 

Aircraft like the Fw 190 might not be ready for quite some time, so when we get early access, we might start out only with a couple of aircraft which are ready then but not everything that we will get when the game gets released.

 

At least that's how I understand the early access program...

 

 

Yep, ive said so in a few posts, i hope everyone understands this.

[I/JG27_Rollo]

I hope so too.

 

With the start of the pre-order phase, this forum has exploded with posts and topics - I can't keep up with reading everything anymore...