Game version 5.001 discussion: Battle of Normandy - RELEASED!

[EAF19_Marsh]

17 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

You cannot underestimate the value of a proper umbrella...

 

 

They don't like it up 'em!

[Trooper117]

''We haven't the proper facilities to take you all prisoner... sorry!''

German replies in disbelief, ''What?''

''We'd like to but we can't accept your surrender... was there anything else?''

[Patricks]

Just ran a career mission in the SpitVb to escort a flight of Typhoon fighter-bombers. Out of Hawkinge, the bomb point was  off the map down to the SW of Saint-Malo. The entire Spitfire escort (except me) RTB'd with low fuel around Saint-Lo, I kept going to see what would happen. Got jumped by some A8's, and I chased one until I got the "leaving the combat area" message so turned back and made it ~1/2 way across the channel, no fuel, bailed. What's up with creating missions that can't be flown?

Edited September 20, 2022 by Patricks

[sevenless]

7 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

... was there anything else?''

 

Best phrase of the whole movie ? Nice way to tell him to bugger off.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Patricks said:

Just ran a career mission in the SpitVb to escort a flight of Typhoon fighter-bombers. Out of Hawkings, the bomb point was  off the map down to the SE of Saint-Malo. The entire Spitfire escort (except me) RTB'd with low fuel around Saint-Lo, I kept going to see what would happen. Got jumped by some A8's, and I chased one until I got the "leaving the combat area" message so turned back and made it ~1/2 way across the channel, no fuel, bailed. What's up with creating missions that can't be flown?

 

You need to post the mission file in the Technical Issues forum.

[JLean]

One more time: Thank You team! 

This Battle of Normandy has opened really second front here. Map looks much better and detailed than previous ones and that channel is....well it is a sea. 

Somehow I never got deep into Battle of Bodenplatte since kinda felt that in the IL-2 game it does not capture that main historical point of the period that air war was few Germans defending huge amount of bombers with Mustangs. Maybe when we will get that flyable Marauder if will re-think it.  

 

So for me this is real Western Front opening. I need to go to thank also separately Combat Box team those missions are great fun!

 

 JLean

[Cleo9]

On 9/18/2022 at 6:59 AM, Patricks said:

No Hurricanes in Career mode or am I missing something?

 

On 9/18/2022 at 6:59 AM, Patricks said:

No Hurricanes in Career mode or am I missing something?

 

In Normandy, the role of the Hurricane was pretty much limited to delivering mail to frontline units...

[Patricks]

6 hours ago, Cleo9 said:

 

 

In Normandy, the role of the Hurricane was pretty much limited to delivering mail to frontline units...

 

Unfortunately even though this map is called "Normandy" there is no real Normandy Invasion going on, nor I doubt will there ever be. Just too much involved this game is not designed for. Like it or not this is a (limited) Battle of Britain map and not representing that part of history is a grave mistake IMHO. During the early part of BoB a total of 1,715 Hawker Hurricanes flew with Fighter Command during the period of the Battle of Britain, far in excess of all other British fighters combined. 

13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

You need to post the mission file in the Technical Issues forum.

 

Luke, this was a mission created by the "Career mode" of the sim, can you give me a hint as to where I would find it? is it the "missionReport(2022-09-19_18-56-32).mlg" file from data\flight logs? Also, it's bombing point was "SW of Saint-Malo", not SE, sorry for the typo.

Thank you!

Edited September 20, 2022 by Patricks

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 9/18/2022 at 12:59 PM, Patricks said:

No Hurricanes in Career mode or am I missing something?

With that the pre-D-Day map a career could be made that would cover the last ETO uses of Hurris that were mostly night intruder raids and a few ground attack against coastal positions. Typhoons quickly overtook the role.

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, Patricks said:

Unfortunately even though this map is called "Normandy" there is no real Normandy Invasion going on, nor I doubt will there ever be. Just too much involved this game is not designed for. Like it or not this is a (limited) Battle of Britain map and not representing that part of history is a grave mistake IMHO. During the early part of BoB a total of 1,715 Hawker Hurricanes flew with Fighter Command during the period of the Battle of Britain, far in excess of all other British fighters combined. 

 

It took three years just to complete the April to August 1944 battles over France and England and model the airfields and landmarks to their 1944 standards. How long do you think it would take to model everything else from 1940 onwards? Never mind the fact that this title was marketed from the beginning as covering only what happened in 1944. If people are able to find a way to model missions from before that time, that's a bonus.

Edited September 20, 2022 by LukeFF

[[DBS]El_Marta]

What about a 1942/43 'Tip and Run JaBo' campaign? see Goss, Chris "What was the impact of the Luftwaffe's 'Tip and Run' bombing attacks, March 1942- June 1943" in Royal Airforce Society Journal 29, pp 24-49

https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/research/RAF-Historical-Society-Journals/Journal-29-Dr-Alfred-Price-on-Battle-of-Britain-Day.pdf

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by [DBS]El_Marta
wrong link

[sevenless]

1 minute ago, [DBS]El_Marta said:

What about a 1942/43 'Tip and Run JaBo' campaign? see Goss, Chris "What was the impact of the Luftwaffe's 'Tip and Run' bombing attacks, March 1942- June 1943" in Royal Airforce Society Journal 29, pp 24-49

 

 

Using the Normandy map and available german airplanes of BoN, BoK and BoS it could very well be done in a user created campaign.

[MisterSmith]

I hid all of the overt CLoD (pro and con) discussion. This is a Normandy release thread. Please stay on topic.

 

Smith

[Irishratticus72]

[[DBS]Tx_Tip]

11 hours ago, [DBS]El_Marta said:

What about a 1942/43 'Tip and Run JaBo' campaign? see Goss, Chris "What was the impact of the Luftwaffe's 'Tip and Run' bombing attacks, March 1942- June 1943" in Royal Airforce Society Journal 29, pp 24-49

https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/research/RAF-Historical-Society-Journals/Journal-29-Dr-Alfred-Price-on-Battle-of-Britain-Day.pdf

 

 

Interesting. Thanks for the link Marta.

Tip

[DFLion]

I’m trying to build a 1943 ‘Big Show’ mission with Clostermans 341 Sqn Spitfire IX’s up against JG2 Fw190A3’s while USAAF B26’s bomb Le Havre protected by Mustangs and Typhoon’s attack shipping.

 I’m having a lot of issues with the mission builder using the new Normandy map as well as the previous Steam problems - will keep working on it!

DFLion

ps Hurricanes we’re used to bomb V1 sites

[CIA_Yankee_]

Awesome work on the BoN release, devs. The updates are excellent. Loving the DM update, the radiator effects, and of course the new maps are wonderful.

 

Thank you!

[Bilbo_Baggins]

1 minute ago, CIA_Yankee_ said:

Awesome work on the BoN release, devs. The updates are excellent. Loving the DM update, the radiator effects, and of course the new maps are wonderful.

 

Thank you!

 

What radiator changes were made?

 

RGDS 

[Talon_]

13 hours ago, DFLion said:

Hurricanes we’re used to bomb V1 sites

Supposedly however all the reading I've done suggests No.184 Sqn RAF had already converted to the Typhoon before the V-1 sites were known about.

[Nil]

What a incredible work , as usual.

Now since we have a channel map, I really hope they will change their mind and release a Battle of Britain. I miss it so much! flying on Stukas B2, Junkers 88 A1, Blenheim MK1 Hurricane MK1... I love early war!

[343KKT_Kintaro]

37 minutes ago, Nil said:

I really hope they will change their mind and release a Battle of Britain...

 

 

Here we go again...

 

[Blitzen]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Here we go again...

 

Yup!

[blockheadgreen_]

5 hours ago, Talon_ said:

Supposedly however all the reading I've done suggests No.184 Sqn RAF had already converted to the Typhoon before the V-1 sites were known about.

I had read before that they tried it once in rocket armed Hurricane IVs and almost the entire flight was knocked down by Flak. The work was very quickly taken over by Typhoons and Spitfires. This may not be entirely correct however.

[thrila]

I had a quick check of the RAF Order of Battle for 6 June 1944, and there was only a single operational hurricane squadron in the 2nd TAF and Air Defence Great Britain. This was 309 Squadron based in Drem, Scotland.

 

While it can't be ruled out on this evidence alone, I think it's a fair assessment that it is unlikely hurricanes took part.

[GamerK5083]

I love the new module, I think it is the best money I have spent on IL2 products in a long while.  The new aircraft seem well modeled and a couple of them are the best yet available in a PC flight sim.  The airfields are carefully modeled on the originals, to the extent I've been able to compare them with period aerial photos.  It is fun to be able to fly and fight in such an expanding roster of great aircraft over a relatively familiar part of the world.  I don't see why anyone wants a BoB campaign, IL2 COD is still a great sim, and the two complement each other with just enough overlap to establish continuity for the entire 1940-45 period between the two.  I have really no criticisms, just thanks to the IL2 team for a nice addition to the franchise.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, thrila said:

I had a quick check of the RAF Order of Battle for 6 June 1944, and there was only a single operational hurricane squadron in the 2nd TAF and Air Defence Great Britain. This was 309 Squadron based in Drem, Scotland.

 

While it can't be ruled out on this evidence alone, I think it's a fair assessment that it is unlikely hurricanes took part.

 

0 Hurricanes were in frontline combat service with the 2nd TAF or ADGB by the spring of 1944. Of that I am 100% positive. ? That one in 309 Squadron was probably just a unit hack.

[sevenless]

The Hurri was AFAIK only used for 2nd line duties in 1944 like air despatch services, etc.

 

D-Day Hawker Hurricanes - Aviation Chat - Britmodeller.com

[migmadmarine]

9 hours ago, Nil said:

What a incredible work , as usual.

Now since we have a channel map, I really hope they will change their mind and release a Battle of Britain. I miss it so much! flying on Stukas B2, Junkers 88 A1, Blenheim MK1 Hurricane MK1... I love early war!

Na, can get those aircraft in a battle of Lake Ladoga pack.

[EAF19_Marsh]

11 hours ago, sevenless said:

The Hurri was AFAIK only used for 2nd line duties in 1944 like air despatch services, etc.

 

D-Day Hawker Hurricanes - Aviation Chat - Britmodeller.com

“That's an aircraft of 1697 Flight alias the Air Despatch Letter Service, one of whose aircraft (Hurricane MW340) was the first Allied aircraft to land in France on D-Day (Strip B-3 Ste Croix-sur-Mer) and then return.  The unit's aircraft carried armament (but no ammunition) and 90 gall overload tanks, with the starboard one sometimes being used for mail carriage.”

 

I expect that landing and take-off were a little 'hairy' owing to the pilot having difficulty seeing over his enormous balls.

 

Edited September 23, 2022 by EAF19_Marsh

[pencon]

 I run a nVidia 2080ti and after the patch I'm getting 80 fps even at almost ground level  in VR  .

[Noisemaker]

Flying a Mosquito career pre-invasion, should we really be tasked with solo daylight free-hunts.  A little difficult when the inevitable flights of FW-190s home in on you...  @LukeFF?

[LukeFF]

2 minutes ago, Noisemaker said:

Flying a Mosquito career pre-invasion, should we really be tasked with solo daylight free-hunts.  A little difficult when the inevitable flights of FW-190s home in on you...  @LukeFF?

 

Yes, there were the occasional daylight free hunt missions flown by Mosquitos pre-invasion. They're referred to as Day Ranger missions in the squadron logs:

 

[CIA_Yankee_]

On 9/21/2022 at 4:40 PM, Bilbo_Baggins said:

 

What radiator changes were made?

 

RGDS 

 

I'm not sure of the precise nature of the change, whether or not they fixed loss of coolant to have a greater impact, or allowed rads to be more easily damaged, but basically now if you have a radiator coolant leak your engine has a very short lifetime left. So now when you get someone smoking heavily, you can be reasonably sure they're not going to be make it home. That was not the case before.

[Noisemaker]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, there were the occasional daylight free hunt missions flown by Mosquitos pre-invasion. They're referred to as Day Ranger missions in the squadron logs:

I didn't see anywhere in those logs that an enemy flight of FW-190s had their flight as a waypoint and would follow them wherever they went on the map...

[tattywelshie]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, there were the occasional daylight free hunt missions flown by Mosquitos pre-invasion. They're referred to as Day Ranger missions in the squadron logs:

And Flower missions which were anti-fighter patrols, with the specific aim of knocking targets off both taking off and on the ground. 

[Dustybritches]

Considering the number of flight hrs. I will log on this expansion the cost of entry was money well spent. Thank you!!! to everyone involved in bringing this sim to fruition.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, tattywelshie said:

And Flower missions which were anti-fighter patrols, with the specific aim of knocking targets off both taking off and on the ground. 

 

Yes, I am hoping we will have those as well as night intruder missions at some point, since the Me 410s of KG 51 also were fond of trying to pick off bombers attempting to land back at their airfields in England at the end of their raids.

Edited September 23, 2022 by LukeFF

[Lupus]

All I can say is wow.  The new damage models make things super challenging.  I went from being able to play easily and well on Hard to getting trounced in seconds on Medium and finally had to back down to easy so I didn't get pilot killed within 5 minutes in a dog fight.

[IckyATLAS]

When bombing only the four last bomb crater remains and all the others disappear, and no trace is left on the ground that remains unscathed. It is really a pity that this limitation has not been lifted with BON. I do not understand this limitation. The dev team tries to improve the game visual quality, but this is a major visual element related to bombing runs.

[Rjel]

2 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

When bombing only the four last bomb crater remains and all the others disappear, and no trace is left on the ground that remains unscathed. It is really a pity that this limitation has not been lifted with BON. I do not understand this limitation. The dev team tries to improve the game visual quality, but this is a major visual element related to bombing runs.

I've wondered too if this isn't because of the large and detailed Normandy map. I recently had my plane deleted and mission ended after crash landing. I wasn't killed, unless I expired after landing. I don't recall getting notified that my pilot died. Having crashed or landed planes and destroyed ground targets disappear after a few moments is the one thing I've always found disappointing in this series. While I understand it, it's still disappointing.