Game version 4.707 discussion: Me 410, Input Profiles

[Regingrave-]

9 часов назад, Blitzen сказал:

Can this be re- key stroked? Is so where could I find it- what's it titled?

"Nestle to visor/Dive bomb sight" command in Weapon controls section.

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6 часов назад, JG1_Butzzell сказал:

Excuse please. does this mean complex triggers no longer work?

Not at all. It never did work through target links, so we've removed them to avoid confusion. Complex trigger activates other MCUs through events from trigger's advanced settings.

 

24 минуты назад, 76SQN-Minimayhemtemp сказал:

Noticed that the SE5A Vickers no longer has the rack animation.

What rack, where? Please post a screenshot.

[FlyingNutcase]

Congrats on this sizeable step towards completion of BoN. Almost there.

[ACG_Ginger]

Question , Why as my video of the death by concussion been removed? It would be nice to be informed if you take offence, or is it a case of "out of sight out of mind"

If you don't want feed back then please change the topic name ?

[MajorMagee]

I suspect what we're seeing in Tank Crew (cannon shots randomly ricocheting and lack of damage effect from penetrating hits) is related to these two changes.

 

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11. The issue where an AP shell could be stopped by one 100mm plate but couldn't be stopped by 50mm+50mm double plates was fixed. Spaced armor plates with total thickness similar to one thick plate now stop AP rounds better than one plate;
12. An explosion of an APHE projectile inside a detailed tank would correctly damage nearby equipment or crew members (previously it could result in no damage in some cases);

 

Edited August 3, 2022 by MajorMagee

[Regingrave-]

2 часа назад, MajorMagee сказал:

I suspect what we're seeing in Tank Crew (cannon shots randomly ricocheting and lack of damage effect from penetrating hits) is related to these two changes.

This changes relate only to terminal ballistics and internal damage. There are no random bounces added, richochets happen only when sloped armor is hit.

[RydnDirty]

I've never been this excited about a plane.... Failed to update.

 

 

[76SQN-Minimayhemtemp]

5 hours ago, Regingrave said:

"Nestle to visor/Dive bomb sight" command in Weapon controls section.

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Not at all. It never did work through target links, so we've removed them to avoid confusion. Complex trigger activates other MCUs through events from trigger's advanced settings.

 

What rack, where? Please post a screenshot.

When using the reload action, after a gun jam, the gun is supposed to cycle through clearing the chamber and loading a new round.  When the button is pressed this action can be heard but is not shown on the screen.  The firing position does not change.

 

This is the primary gun (e.g. not the overhead machine gun) in the SE5a.

[Jason_Williams]

4 hours ago, ACG_Ginger said:

Question , Why as my video of the death by concussion been removed? It would be nice to be informed if you take offence, or is it a case of "out of sight out of mind"

If you don't want feed back then please change the topic name ?

 

You posted it. We saw it. To avoid further arguing over the subject I hid it. They team can see all hidden posts. You've made your point and it has nothing to do with the 410 or Input Profiles. This is simply a long standing complaint and not a result of this update. 

Jason

[ACG_Ginger]

4 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

You posted it. We saw it. To avoid further arguing over the subject I hid it. They team can see all hidden posts. You've made your point and it has nothing to do with the 410 or Input Profiles. This is simply a long standing complaint and not a result of this update. 

Jason

Thanks for the reply ?

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Finally tried the 410 this morning. The model is beautiful. Love the loadout options. Its stable, fast, and easy to fly. Low energy hard turn fights are NOT advisable though. When it gets slow, it gets "tippy" and easily drops a wing with too much elevator input. Stay FAST! The rear gunner compartment is a work of art, those big barbetts/turrets really pack a sting.

 

Overall, its EXACTLY what I expected.

 

Love it! Definitely worth the loooong wait!!

[JG1_Wittmann]

How does the hinged instrument panel blocking the nose glass function ?  Is this. Manually or solenoid operated ?   How to you swing this panel out of the way. When not carrying a bomb and opening bomb bay doors ?

 

I looked at this panel as good as I could move around. And see no control arm to operate.  Was it simply held in a position by the spring and detents for the 2 positions in the linkage ?

[Lusekofte]

Settings is the winner here, ME 410 is just a bonus

[Asgar]

10 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

Settings is the winner here, ME 410 is just a bonus

You take that back! ? ??

[Regingrave-]

45 минут назад, JG1_Wittmann сказал:

How does the hinged instrument panel blocking the nose glass function ?  Is this. Manually or solenoid operated ?   How to you swing this panel out of the way. When not carrying a bomb and opening bomb bay doors ?

 

I looked at this panel as good as I could move around. And see no control arm to operate.  Was it simply held in a position by the spring and detents for the 2 positions in the linkage ?

It's folded manually. In the game there is no separate command to fold it, it folds automatically when the bomb bay is open

[JG4_Widukind]

Wingtip break, it breaks with Dive Breaks also on lower Dive Speeds

Edited August 3, 2022 by JG4_Widukind

[Irishratticus72]

[IAmNotARobot]

9 часов назад, JG4_Moltke1871 сказал:

I see in Me410 the Kurssteuerung Autopilot is implemented. Is there a chance Planes like He111, Ju88, Bf110 or some allied planes have systems like that (I don’t know ?) getting updated with this system? So far the Kurssteuerung instruments in Ju88 etc reacting if use the simple auto leveller (fake autopilot ?)
It’s a dream and it’s nice to see you make it work on Me410

Some day this dream will come true)

[JimTM]

I enjoyed flying an online port strike mission in the Me410 yesterday. Great job team! 

 

Also, it's nice to see some mission editor updates. I did notice that the new ungroup recursive command does not appear when you right-click the group in the View Port. You have to right click the group in the Tree View.

Edited August 3, 2022 by JimTM

[Regingrave-]

37 минут назад, JG4_Widukind сказал:

Wingtip break

Thank you for the report, will be fixed in the coming updates.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Was looking around the 410's instruments last night, and could not find anything that looks like the fuel gauges I'm used to seeing in German aircraft.

Can someone point out where they are?

[Rustedgun]

Custom input profiles are very much appreciated and I will put them to good use. Thanks for the addition of this feature

[IckyATLAS]

Excellent update. Nice to see that some improvements are made to the editor.

The Hornisse is really a very interesting plane, with many payload and gun combinations. 

When using the 8 bombs load, I was disappointed to see that only 4 craters remain. I really hope that this limitation that we carry for 9 years now goes away and we get all the craters according to bombs and their sizes, with the upcoming BON release.

 

 

[JG4_Widukind]

13 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Was looking around the 410's instruments last night, and could not find anything that looks like the fuel gauges I'm used to seeing in German aircraft.

Can someone point out where they are?

Left side behind Power thrust lever

[Falcon41]

15 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Try H and/or I

Jade, tried both of these, but the silhouetted plane does not show up.

Falcon41

[JG1_Wittmann]

1 hour ago, Regingrave said:

It's folded manually. In the game there is no separate command to fold it, it folds automatically when the bomb bay is open

When will we get the ability to fold it back. When not carrying a bomb ?

[Jade_Monkey]

24 minutes ago, Falcon41 said:

Jade, tried both of these, but the silhouetted plane does not show up.

Falcon41

Sorry, not sure what else to try.

[Avimimus]

  

2 hours ago, Regingrave said:

It's folded manually. In the game there is no separate command to fold it, it folds automatically when the bomb bay is open

 

It'd be nice to have that as a separate bind someday! Maybe one of the gunsight keys could be used? It'd be nice for landings etc.

 

Also I'm getting a lot of aileron rod jams (and wingtip losses) due to over-speeding (I think?) It seems to be happening a lot though. There is also a minor LoD issue with the bomb bay from some angles (when open).

 

 

 

I've found spinning the Me-410 to be a lot of fun (and the 50mm is more fun than I expected). Still a bit disappointed by not being able to select gunsights (and a bit annoyed by not having separate view presets for each gunsight). But pretty happy!

 

 

 

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6. Machine guns and automatic cannons on aircraft and player controllable tanks can now misfire when overheated (including the turret guns);

 

I take it that this doesn't apply to most weapons? I've tried firing excessively long bursts with the M2 machine gun on the P-47 and I've yet to have a misfire.

 

It'd be pretty great if there was a small chance to lose a wing gun to a misfire if we abused it too much... it certainly happened historically and caused pilots to limit burst lengths when they could!

Edited August 3, 2022 by Avimimus

[LuftManu]

Thank you very much Team! This is a beautiful plane!

 

 

[Plurp]

16 hours ago, Falcon41 said:

Wonderful update, I'm speechless, well not quite.  I noticed that after the update my plane silhouette on the map no longer shows up and I can't find the key binding to fix it.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Falcon41

Double check to make sure navigation markers are checked under realism.

[ACG_Bussard]

Awesome update and the Me 410 is great!

 

Got a question regarding the BZA of the Me 410. When i made a bombing run with the BZA I didn´t see the CCIP or "Pipper", which show´s the computed bomb impact point. So I´m wondering, if the BZA of the Me 410 don´t have an CCIP/Pipper like the Ar 234 or what I´m doing wrong. I´m talking about this mark:

 

 

Edited August 3, 2022 by 2./JG3_Bussard*

[IckyATLAS]

I do not find the new command Recursive Ungroup in the Editor.

There is the normal Ungroup when clicking right on a group, but it will ungroup only the first level and not the sub-groups.

 

[JimTM]

17 hours ago, Falcon41 said:

Wonderful update, I'm speechless, well not quite.  I noticed that after the update my plane silhouette on the map no longer shows up and I can't find the key binding to fix it.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Falcon41

 

@Falcon41, it may be that your Navigation markers option is either unchecked in the Quick Mission builder or the Missions selection screen, or the option is not available in a particular multiplayer server.

 

In the Quick Mission builder or the Missions selection screen do the following:

1. Click on the Realism button.

2. On the left, select Custom.

    The Normal option has Navigation markers selected by default and the Expert option does not (as far as I know).

3. Select the Navigation markers option.

Edited August 3, 2022 by JimTM

[Avimimus]

44 minutes ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

When will we get the ability to fold it back. When not carrying a bomb ?

 

What I find interesting - I can use Lshift+D to fold/unfold it. I can also use Lalt+B (my bomb bay bind) to fold/unfold it.

 

So it currently has two binds - a gunsight and a bombbay bind - however the animations are still linked and both binds to both actions... (i.e. if I use the Lshift+D it opens the bomb-bay).

[Regingrave-]

31 минуту назад, Avimimus сказал:

There is also a minor LoD issue with the bomb bay from some angles (when open).

Will be fixed in the coming update.

 

 

[Jade_Monkey]

13 minutes ago, 2./JG3_Bussard* said:

Awesome update and the Me 410 is great!

 

Got a question regarding the BZA of the Me 410. When i made a bombing run with the BZA I didn´t see the CCIP or "Pipper", which show´s the computed bomb impact point. So I´m wondering, if the BZA of the Me 410 don´t have an CCIP/Pipper like the Ar 234 or what I´m doing wrong. I´m talking about this mark:

 

 

It's there.

 

You won't see it if you fly parallel to the ground but it will come up as soon as you enter a dive and start getting closer to the ground.

[ACG_Bussard]

Thank you, Jade! I have found it, but it´s much more difficult to see it in the small frame of glass plate of the Me 410.

[jollyjack]

31 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

I do not find the new command Recursive Ungroup in the Editor.

There is the normal Ungroup when clicking right on a group, but it will ungroup only the first level and not the sub-groups.

 

Here, right click a group in the tree, but what does it do?

 

Edited August 3, 2022 by jollyjack

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

Still a bit disappointed by not being able to select gunsights (and a bit annoyed by not having separate view presets for each gunsight). But pretty happy!

 

The gunsights are like that (in terms of not being able to select which one you want), because that's how the planes were built according to original charts from the time. That is, only planes built as fast bombers received the StuVi sight, etc.

21 minutes ago, 2./JG3_Bussard* said:

Thank you, Jade! I have found it, but it´s much more difficult to see it in the small frame of glass plate of the Me 410.

 

If you move your camera position upwards a bit it should make it easier to see the bomb release marker. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

48 minutes ago, 2./JG3_Bussard* said:

Awesome update and the Me 410 is great!

 

Got a question regarding the BZA of the Me 410. When i made a bombing run with the BZA I didn´t see the CCIP or "Pipper", which show´s the computed bomb impact point. So I´m wondering, if the BZA of the Me 410 don´t have an CCIP/Pipper like the Ar 234 or what I´m doing wrong. I´m talking about this mark:

 

 

 

It's there.

 

Move your viewpoint up or if using TrackIR/VR...sit up in your seat. Eventually the angle will align with the mark.

[Falcon41]

31 minutes ago, JimTM said:

 

@Falcon41, it may be that your Navigation markers option is either unchecked in the Quick Mission builder or the Missions selection screen, or the option is not available in a particular multiplayer server.

 

In the Quick Mission builder or the Missions selection screen do the following:

1. Click on the Realism button.

2. On the left, select Custom.

    The Normal option has Navigation markers selected by default and the Expert option does not (as far as I know).

3. Select the Navigation markers option.

Jim TM,

     I checked my Realism setting and the Navigation marker was checked.  The waypoints all show, it's just that the black "my plane silhouette" doesn't show up nor do the blue wingmen on the map.  Interestingly enough on other similar missions I have no problem with the in cockpit map, which leads me to believe it may be the mission itself.

Thanks for your help.

Falcon41