109 F2 radiators

[FeuerFliegen]

It uses to be, if you activated manual water rads in Bf109 F2, it would go to 100%.  Now it's controllable just like the F4 and later.

[-DED-Rapidus]

@SCG_FeuerFliegen, the problem is not clear, once again, what is wrong with manual control?

[FeuerFliegen]

The 109 F2 - it normally has automatic water radiators.  There is a manual override, which opens them up to 100%.  In the F4 and later models, they upgraded the manual override to be able to be adjusted, and not simply go straight to 100%.

 

It used to be correct, where when you enabled manual water rads, it would go straight to 100% open.  Now, it's fully controllable, and this is not historically accurate.  You can even see the difference in the radiator control lever in the cockpit; it simply gets pulled out when enabling manual mode, and does not move back and fourth when you adjust it (as this was not possible in real life).  In the F4 and later models, you can see that the water rad lever has a way to turn back and fourth, to open and close it.

 

It's odd that is is now this way, as it used to be historically accurate, but now it's not.

 

Let me know if you need further clarification.

[Hipsu]

I'm just here to confirm the bug. SCG_FeuerFliegen is right, it's odd that it's controllable now when, as per the plane notes, it shouldn't, it wasn't before, and there's no even a lever in the cockpit for it.

[FeuerFliegen]

On 8/2/2022 at 10:40 PM, -DED-Rapidus said:

@SCG_FeuerFliegen, the problem is not clear, once again, what is wrong with manual control?

 

Just wanted to check to see if you understand the problem.  It used to work perfectly, as it was historically, but now with an update, I guess that aspect of the code was just copy and pasted onto the F2.  

 

To give you an idea of how it should work, just select manual rads on the Spitfire XIV.

[LF_Mark_Krieger]

Hello fellow pilot comrades,

Before reporting a technichal issue or bug I would like to be sure of what is the problem and if really there is any with the Bf 109 F-2 radiator controls in manual mode.

What I saw first is that the animation of the control of the radiators in the cockpit only works when you change from auto to manual and vice versa, but not when it is in manual mode and you open or close the radiators. Later I searched in the forum and other documentation and someties it says manual override in the F-2 only allows you to keep the radiator fully open or fully closed or max opened at arround 60%. I'm not sure of wich was the way it worked in reality. The case is that the game allows you to choose how much you open the ratiator in manual mode. Is this a mistake or should be added animation to open and close manually the water radiators with the controls in manual mode?

Thank you!

Edit: now I see there was this thread in the bugs and thecnichal issues that I did not see previously and that @SCG_FeuerFliegen answered my question and commented exactly what I thought, that with some patch, the way to function of some posterior Bf 109 has been somewhat overwritten on the F-2. Excuse me for it and thanks to @SCG_FeuerFliegen and the moderator that moved my post here.

Edited June 19, 2023 by LF_Mark_Krieger

[2./SG2_assadoc]

I have same questions.

[FeuerFliegen]

I made a post about this over 9 months ago.  It used to work correctly - either automatic mode, or if you selected manual mode, it would open up to 100%.  Then there was an update sometime around summer 2022 where it started working just like F-4 and later models, which is not correct and not historical.

 

Here's my original post - 

 

 

One of the devs responded to the original post, as he did not understand what I meant, so I clarified and explained the problem further.  After that there was no response and it appears to have been ignored since then.

 

 

Being that my post has not been responded to since last summer, I'd say go ahead and make a post in FM / AI discussion forum and hopefully the devs will take notice again.

 

I assume this was a mistake and when they did an update they accidentally copied and pasted certain water radiator aspects of the F-4 and later models to the F-2.

Edited May 10, 2023 by SCG_FeuerFliegen
typo

[LF_Mark_Krieger]

On 5/11/2023 at 1:58 AM, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

I made a post about this over 9 months ago.  It used to work correctly - either automatic mode, or if you selected manual mode, it would open up to 100%.  Then there was an update sometime around summer 2022 where it started working just like F-4 and later models, which is not correct and not historical.

 

Here's my original post - 

 

 

One of the devs responded to the original post, as he did not understand what I meant, so I clarified and explained the problem further.  After that there was no response and it appears to have been ignored since then.

 

 

Being that my post has not been responded to since last summer, I'd say go ahead and make a post in FM / AI discussion forum and hopefully the devs will take notice again.

 

I assume this was a mistake and when they did an update they accidentally copied and pasted certain water radiator aspects of the F-4 and later models to the F-2.

I still have one doubt. Historically the radiator stayed fully open in manual mode or around 60%? in another post of the first release of the F2 someone said that it stayed at 60%. Should it be done like that? I don't have historic info.

Edited May 13, 2023 by LF_Mark_Krieger

[FeuerFliegen]

14 hours ago, LF_Mark_Krieger said:

I still have one doubt. Historically the radiator estayed fully open in manual mode or around 60%? in another post of the first release of the F2 someone said that it stayed at 60%. Should it be done like that? I don't have historic info.

 

Can you link to the post where you read this?

[LF_Mark_Krieger]

On 5/12/2023 at 6:35 AM, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

 

Can you link to the post where you read this?

 

[Audgisil]

The switch to manually control the water radiator on the F-2 should simply force the water radiator to be 100% open. Currently it switches to manual control and allows you to then adjust the water radiator to any position that you want - just like you would with the 109F-4. This used to be correct in the F-2, but is no longer the case.

[Audgisil]

Apologies - I just found an older thread that discusses this exact issue... which still needs to be addressed.

 

 

[LukeFF]

I've passed the report up the chain to the developers, so we'll see what they say. ?

[FeuerFliegen]

Hey- just realized you guys fixed it and made it back to the way it used to be.  Thanks

 

Either way though, the post from LF_Mark_Krieger showed something about how it should go to 60%?  I didn't know about that until he posteed it.  Have you guys ever looked into this?

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Hey- just realized you guys fixed it and made it back to the way it used to be.  Thanks

 

Either way though, the post from LF_Mark_Krieger showed something about how it should go to 60%?  I didn't know about that until he posteed it.  Have you guys ever looked into this?

 

No, I'm not sure if it ever has. From what I remember back when the F-2 was developed, the current way it is right now is based on original published documentation.

[Roland_HUNter]

Is anybody has a original photo of the F-2 cockpit?
Because in CLOD the F-1/F-2 has the same radiator controls as the F-4.

[Roland_HUNter]

Based on this photo, the F-2 had the same manual radiator system as the F-4:

https://me109.info/display.php?from=site&lang=de&auth=e&name=version_display&fotonummer=16545

 

[FeuerFliegen]

On 1/20/2024 at 1:14 PM, Roland_HUNter said:

Based on this photo, the F-2 had the same manual radiator system as the F-4:

https://me109.info/display.php?from=site&lang=de&auth=e&name=version_display&fotonummer=16545

 

 

That links just states it's a Bf109 F

How do you know it's an F2?

[Roland_HUNter]

17 minutes ago, FeuerFliegen said:

How do you know it's an F2?

Check the ATA and Water temp gauge.