True sky - why no any cirrus clouds?

[YoYo]

Hi,

I noticed that I dont see any cirrus clouds on screenshots from IL-2 Clod with True Sky. What about this? They are or not?

With "normal" sky, you have it and looks great, however dont forget about this kind of high level clouds. Also the sky looks a little too dark for me I suppose.

 

Current version:

 

 

True sky:

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by YoYo

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you YoYo, interesting question, indeed, on how a potential "skydome" will be treated in the next visual updates with implemented TrueSky. In my views, at present, in the game as it is, there's not a "skydome". If you want to fly really high so that you reach these high-altitude cirrus, at some point you don't see them around you, nor above, thus they are not a permament "painting" effect over the simulation. Otherwise, let's see if the devs bring a response to your query.

 

 

4 minutes ago, YoYo said:

Also the sky looks a little too dark for me I suppose.

 

 

Buzzsaw said that all of these images are nothing but work in progress, the tints included (as provisory tints I guess), and added "Last answer on this subject".

 

 

 

[YoYo]

38 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Thank you YoYo, interesting question, indeed, on how a potential "skydome" will be treated in the next visual updates with implemented TrueSky. In my views, at present, in the game as it is, there's not a "skydome". If you want to fly really high so that you reach these high-altitude cirrus, at some point you don't see them around you, nor above, thus they are not a permament "painting" effect over the simulation. Otherwise, let's see if the devs bring a response to your query.

 

I know very well TrueSky from P3Dv5, they look nice, however they are present (clouds) only on "one level" and no any high clouds (what it looks very strange even on clear weather, when sometimes cirrus are present too, like in current CloD), so you can forget about something like this (what is present now):

 

 

Maybe they fixed it already, I dont know, so here is the reason of my question

 

Current version too:

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Well... we'll see... but I think I prefer the new 3D clouds and TrueSky with dynamic weather rather than the existing 2D clouds + Skydome cirrus with no dynamic weather.

[jollyjack]

Living close to the North Sea the colors of the sky, sea, even shore sands, and any clouds always seem different.

f.i air humidity seems to do a lot with both haze and colors. On coming weather changes as well

 

Il2 shows nice ones, i cannot complain.

But 'flying' the oncoming player c47 though a fierce thunderstorm with flashes and plane shaking could be nice. Poor G- and CPU. !

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by jollyjack

[Mysticpuma]

13 minutes ago, jollyjack said:

Living close to the North Sea the colors of the sky, sea, even shore sands, and any clouds always seem different.

f.i air humidity seems to do a lot with both haze and colors. On coming weather changes as well

 

Il2 shows nice ones, i cannot complain.

But 'flying' the oncoming player c47 though a fierce thunderstorm with flashes and plane shaking could be nice. Poor G- and CPU. !

 

Dynamic weather will be great if TFS can implement it. 

The original IL2 with thunder and rain was great to fly in. 

 

Buzzsaw did say weather effects were not active yet in Truesky, so hopefully when it is released, dynamic weather will come afterwards. As I understand it, rain in the current build still appears inside the cockpit with the canopy closed....so bugs still to be fixed, but the team are working hard so cross fingers dynamic weather follows shortly after or they delay release and have it implemented on release ?

[jollyjack]

Óleg Maddox forever, eh?

[No.54_Reddog]

40 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Well... we'll see... but I think I prefer the new 3D clouds and TrueSky with dynamic weather rather than the existing 2D clouds + Skydome cirrus with no dynamic weather.

There doesn't appear to have been any suggestion there will be dynamic weather that I have seen, can you point me to it?

[Monty_Thrud]

3 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Dynamic weather will be great if TFS can implement it. 

The original IL2 with thunder and rain was great to fly in. 

 

Buzzsaw did say weather effects were not active yet in Truesky, so hopefully when it is released, dynamic weather will come afterwards. As I understand it, rain in the current build still appears inside the cockpit with the canopy closed....so bugs still to be fixed, but the team are working hard so cross fingers dynamic weather follows shortly after or they delay release and have it implemented on release ?

 Not to mention the Lightning...

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

 

7 hours ago, jollyjack said:

Living close to the North Sea the colors of the sky, sea, even shore sands, and any clouds always seem different.

f.i air humidity seems to do a lot with both haze and colors. On coming weather changes as well

 

Il2 shows nice ones, i cannot complain.

But 'flying' the oncoming player c47 though a fierce thunderstorm with flashes and plane shaking could be nice. Poor G- and CPU. !

 

 

 

The C-47 is planned for the Great Battles series (imminent release if there aren't delays). Is the C-47 planned for the Dover series as well?

 

Otherwise, jollyjack, I think your link is broken...

 

 

6 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

The original IL2 with thunder and rain was great to fly in.

 

 

Yep... out of the three generations of IL-2 games ('46, Dover and Great Battles), the most impressive weather effects still are in "IL-2 1946". They are great in Great Battles, but it's not the same.

 

 

6 hours ago, jollyjack said:

Óleg Maddox forever, eh?

 

 

He did a great job, and please remember we are here because of him, whatever you may think about how Maddox Games ended up. So yes, Oleg Maddox forever... you guys can take the literal meaning...

 

 

6 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

There doesn't appear to have been any suggestion there will be dynamic weather that I have seen, can you point me to it?

 

 

Good point. When TrueSky was announced as a future feature for the Dover series, the term used by Buzzsaw was "weather system" (please see here... and here). Please Buzzsaw would you kindly clarify if this "weather system" will include dynamic weather? (weather that evolves while you are in the very same simulation session, as I understand it).

 

 

[Buzzsaw]

15 hours ago, YoYo said:

Hi,

I noticed that I dont see any cirrus clouds on screenshots from IL-2 Clod with True Sky. What about this? They are or not?

With "normal" sky, you have it and looks great, however dont forget about this kind of high level clouds. Also the sky looks a little too dark for me I suppose.

 

Current version:

 

 

True sky:

 

The Cirrus clouds in the original game are 2D.

 

The flight models in the original game were so bad the aircraft couldn't climb over approx. 7k so no one could see.  When we fixed that problem anyone who climbs through the Cirrus can see they are 2d.  (clouds at approx. 10k) Obviously we want to fix that.

 

There will be Cirrus clouds in trueSKY, we have just not finished work with them.

 

trueSKY adds any number of new cloud systems... including full overcast... which was not present in the original game.

 

Dynamic weather as well as rain/snow/etc. will not be present for the Visual Update... but should be implemented for TF 6.0.

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, Buzzsaw said:

Dynamic weather as well as rain/snow/etc. will not be present for the Visual Update... but should be implemented for TF 6.0.

Buzzsaw, does Truesky have lightning as part of its' weather systems?

 

I have found a storm setting but wonder if thunderstorms will be possible?

 

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Mysticpuma

[343KKT_Kintaro]

On 7/2/2022 at 8:30 AM, YoYo said:

 

 

Hey Yoyo, only one more comment on the "cirrus" clouds, or on clouds in general: sometimes the sky is completely empty of clouds, so, for the sake of realism, we don't need a permanent presence of cirrus:

 

 

 

 

 

[YoYo]

Sometimes yes