Developer Diary #321 - Discussion

[kissTheSky]

Now that we have more and more of dual engine planes, would it be too much to hope for per-plane control assignments to be released sooner than later. 

[Guest deleted@188321]

Little confused why my post was removed.

It would be nice to see the progress on the StuG and Churchill I paid for a year ago or any other mention, whatsoever, of intentions to improve Tank Crew.

Ghost moderating is counter productive to professional community engagement.

[Jason_Williams]

42 minutes ago, randybutternubs said:

Little confused why my post was removed.

It would be nice to see the progress on the StuG and Churchill I paid for a year ago or any other mention, whatsoever, of intentions to improve Tank Crew.

Ghost moderating is counter productive to professional community engagement.

 

Your comment had nothing to do with the DD. Complaints go in the complaint section. Churchill and Stug are being worked on. We are focused on finishing BON at the moment. 

 

Jason

[PhilthySpud]

9 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Very nice.

 

For those wondering, several of the pics depict Dreux, which will be a big part of career mode:

 

Big thumbs up to the Devs - both Me 410 and the Normandy map are looking great! 
 

It would be even better though if the internal ‘field structure’ of the aerodromes could be replicated per, for example, the photo of Dreux posted by LukeFF. These divisions were retained (and maintained) for camouflage.

 

I wonder if we’ll get the ‘clatter, clatter, clatter’ taxiing on PSP?

[Imperator_TFD]

Looking fantastic.  I am very keen to start flying around the map.

 

Any idea if the grass on these new grass strips will be a normal height?  Currently the grass on most airstrips is high enough to cover the wings on some planes.

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

I would love to see short grass, also more variety of trees than usual. Even small bushes in some cases, as I already mentioned, being able to see those green grass tracks with some wear, a more organic aspect in the textures, knowing that there is life in those aerodromes, and moving away at a certain point to the memory of the Rhineland map, with this variety that I mention.

 

Maybe it's the map I've been waiting for the most! Hopefully it meets the expectations that I point out, hopefully...!

Let's do it!

[FTC_Snowy]

12 minutes ago, Ala13_UnopaUno_VR said:

I would love to see short grass…..

I too would like to see short grass, just sayin’ ? 

 

The 410 looks very nice and so do the previews of the Normandy airfields. The BoX series has come a long way over the years. It just gets better and better. I love the Mosquito. Well done Dev team! 

[EAF19_Marsh]

Any chance of a QMB option of ‘Sightseeing’ where you can spawn at an airfield and the map has randomized ambient friendly air and ground units around while you toddle about, practicing nav. and enjoying the view?

[Missionbug]

The map and aircraft look superb, congratulations to all involved, really looking forward to exploring the map.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Mm1ut1]

Time to upgrade the flight controllers to a duel engine setup. Embarrassed myself on MP trying to taxi a Mossie. I imagine the 410 will be the same. 

[JG4_Widukind]

On 6/24/2022 at 4:04 PM, Thad said:

 

Relax. There will be months of bug fixes after BON is released.

I Hope realy the Devs will show in the Bug Forum...there are lot of Problems

[Guest deleted@188321]

18 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

Your comment had nothing to do with the DD. Complaints go in the complaint section. Churchill and Stug are being worked on. We are focused on finishing BON at the moment. 

 

Jason

I wasn't complaining about anything?

[162nd-YU-Trajce]

So... The german side now have super OP Ar234... Bomber which everyone are using for fast Boom and Zoom attack and least for bombing.

Now they will have Me410 which will be even better Me-110 (which can outturn allied figters).. and the allies get... Mossie!? A mediocre twin engine fighter with limited bombing capability. For that allied side already have P-38.

So... When the sides will be even?

[Asgar]

3 minutes ago, 102nd-YU-Trajce said:

So... The german side now have super OP Ar234... Bomber which everyone are using for fast Boom and Zoom attack and least for bombing.

Now they will have Me410 which will be even better Me-110 (which can outturn allied figters).. and the allies get... Mossie!? A mediocre twin engine fighter with limited bombing capability. For that allied side already have P-38.

So... When the sides will be even?

Imagine thinking the 410 is better at running away from it's enemies than the Mossie ? 

[CountZero]

12 minutes ago, Asgar said:

Imagine thinking the 410 is better at running away from it's enemies than the Mossie ? 

Mossie cant run away from 234 with 2x20mm gunpods ? 

[Asgar]

Just now, CountZero said:

Mossie cant run away from 234 with 2x20mm gunpods ? 

I bet there are gonna be tons of servers who allow the gun pod.... If the 234 is gonna be allowed in as many server in as large numbers as the 262 is in the online environment... it's basically never gonna be seen so......

[CountZero]

2 minutes ago, Asgar said:

I bet there are gonna be tons of servers who allow the gun pod.... If the 234 is gonna be allowed in as many server in as large numbers as the 262 is in the online environment... it's basically never gonna be seen so......

i guess you dont play online, its 234 bananza, there is more 234s then 109/190s, i think we have new favorit fighter ?

Edited June 25, 2022 by CountZero

[Vishnu]

1 minute ago, CountZero said:

i guess you dont play online, its 234 bananza, there is more 234s then 109/190s, i think we have new favorit fighter ?

That's one of the reasons I don't play online.... 

 

For me, I find the odd garbage bag mix of aircraft fighting each other like WT, to be a little grotesque.  *shrug*   

I prefer SP PWCG, myself.  More realistic.

 

Too each their own, as long as people  have fun.

[CountZero]

7 minutes ago, Vishnu said:

That's one of the reasons I don't play online.... 

 

For me, I find the odd garbage bag mix of aircraft fighting each other like WT, to be a little grotesque.  *shrug*   

I prefer SP PWCG, myself.  More realistic.

 

Too each their own, as long as people  have fun.

Most ppl do that from number of players playing online, your not alone and your not missing mutch.

Edited June 25, 2022 by CountZero

[Asgar]

17 minutes ago, CountZero said:

i guess you dont play online, its 234 bananza, there is more 234s then 109/190s, i think we have new favorit fighter ?

In the last 4 month or so all the time i have available for IL-2 goes into testing. Not much spare time atm. Are we talking Berloga here or actual servers? Cause as i said, my last online experience on ... PROPER online servers (yes I'm implying there are shitty ones ? ) is that there were pretty much no 262s allowed because they hurt the feelings of some freeaboos. So my assumption was that the 234 would suffer a similar fate  

[CountZero]

29 minutes ago, Asgar said:

In the last 4 month or so all the time i have available for IL-2 goes into testing. Not much spare time atm. Are we talking Berloga here or actual servers? Cause as i said, my last online experience on ... PROPER online servers (yes I'm implying there are shitty ones ? ) is that there were pretty much no 262s allowed because they hurt the feelings of some freeaboos. So my assumption was that the 234 would suffer a similar fate  

didnt kow ppl still play on berloga, but were not talking about it

 

Ps.

from what i can see there was more YP-80s in europe in ww2 then 234b-2 with 2x20mm gunpod, so lets make YP-80 for next collector airplane, Meteor is no brainer with its numbers ?

Edited June 25, 2022 by CountZero

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, 102nd-YU-Trajce said:

Bomber which everyone are using for fast Boom and Zoom attack and least for bombing.

 

It was used that way in the last 6 or so weeks of the war. ?

Edited June 25, 2022 by LukeFF

[BlitzPig_EL]

Luke, I think he means it's being used as a BnZ fighter, with the gun pod.  

[Thad]

15 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Any chance of a QMB option of ‘Sightseeing’ where you can spawn at an airfield and the map has randomized ambient friendly air and ground units around while you toddle about, practicing nav. and enjoying the view?

 

Absolutely not. It's kill or be killed.  ?

[ACG_Bobo]

I hope that at least one of the BoN British airbases utilizes the Crittendon Plan.  It'd be so lovely for tired pilots.

[CountZero]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It was used that way in the last 6 or so weeks of the war. ?

Oh good thing BoBp campaign ends before that, and there is no Berlin to defend from night attacks by enemy bombers.

[ShamrockOneFive]

7 hours ago, 102nd-YU-Trajce said:

So... The german side now have super OP Ar234... Bomber which everyone are using for fast Boom and Zoom attack and least for bombing.

Now they will have Me410 which will be even better Me-110 (which can outturn allied figters).. and the allies get... Mossie!? A mediocre twin engine fighter with limited bombing capability. For that allied side already have P-38.

So... When the sides will be even?

I think you'll find the Ar234 is going to be pretty limited in its usefulness. Its fast but otherwise fairly limited. The Me410 is in most ways a backstep from the Bf110G-2. The Mosquito is perhaps the third or fourth fastest aircraft on the deck. Slow it down a bit but give it a ton of firepower (rockets, bombs, a massive array of guns) and its easily one of the best attack/low strike aircraft in the whole series.

 

The sides will never be even. For that you'd have to put the same aircraft on both sides.

 

Specific to the Me410, which is what this DD is all about, I think we're going to have a very interesting aircraft. I'm curious to see how some of the 410's issues translate or don't translate into the sim world. Also lots of versatility so that should make it interesting. I'm psyched!

Edited June 26, 2022 by ShamrockOneFive

[Asgar]

4 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

... The Me410 is in most ways a backstep from the Bf110G-2....

I'll have you know, I consider this to be a personal attack on @LF_Gallahad and myself! ? 

Edited June 26, 2022 by Asgar

[Bremspropeller]

I think it's evident the Allies need the bomber Mossie B. XVI, so they can re-arrange the housing-market of Berlin from 25.000ft - one cookie at a time.

 

12 hours ago, 102nd-YU-Trajce said:

So... The german side now have super OP Ar234... Bomber which everyone are using for fast Boom and Zoom attack and least for bombing.

Now they will have Me410 which will be even better Me-110 (which can outturn allied figters).. and the allies get... Mossie!? A mediocre twin engine fighter with limited bombing capability. For that allied side already have P-38.

So... When the sides will be even?

 

Change servers.

The Mossie probably was the single most effective airplane on the allied side and it will be in game when it's used in historical constraints.

The Allies have an awesome arrangement of fighter-bombers in game. Ever flown a Tiffie? Ever strapped two 1000-pounders on a Mustang and taken a flight to commit warcrimes at the other side?

 

Fighting ze Germans on even terms with their fighters aloft, spawn-camping or patrolling with gas they didn't really have IRL will change the outcome of your gaming-experience. Don't expect historical outcomes when the input isn't.

 

[Jade_Monkey]

19 hours ago, 102nd-YU-Trajce said:

So... The german side now have super OP Ar234... Bomber which everyone are using for fast Boom and Zoom attack and least for bombing.

Now they will have Me410 which will be even better Me-110 (which can outturn allied figters).. and the allies get... Mossie!? A mediocre twin engine fighter with limited bombing capability. For that allied side already have P-38.

So... When the sides will be even?

 

Easy, fly servers that don't have unlimited Arados.

 

The sides don't need to be even, that's not a good assumption to begin with.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

On 6/24/2022 at 2:36 PM, Jason_Williams said:

 

Full Text and Visuals HERE.

 

Jason

 

Will there be improvements to the "Pilot Career" and Artificial Intelligence (AI) when this new map is released?

Thank you so much for everything

[Trooper117]

21 hours ago, 102nd-YU-Trajce said:

When the sides will be even?

 

I'm pretty sure any WWII pilot would tell you that the air war was never even or equal... One side or the other was generally developing aircraft and munitions that would outclass the other side, until the other side caught up and outclassed them, and so on.

Then there's the numbers game, when one side has numerical superiority over the other... more pilots, more aircraft, until of course that changes and that equation is switched around.

Swings and roundabouts... nothing is ever fair in war.

[sevenless]

11 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

I think it's evident the Allies need the bomber Mossie B. XVI, so they can re-arrange the housing-market of Berlin from 25.000ft - one cookie at a time.

 

YES! I want Cookies...

 

[AH_Col_Hogan]

22 hours ago, III./SG77-K_Bobo said:

I hope that at least one of the BoN British airbases utilizes the Crittendon Plan.

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 6/26/2022 at 12:06 AM, Thad said:

 

Absolutely not. It's kill or be killed.  ?

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[cardboard_killer]

21 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

 

Absolutely all Sith?

[ST_Catchov]

29 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

50 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

 

Absolutely all Sith?

 

Only those who are fully sith bro.

[cardboard_killer]

12 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

Only those who are fully sith bro.

 

So absolutely all absolute sith deal in absolutes.

[EAF19_Marsh]

5 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

 

So absolutely all absolute sith deal in absolutes.

 

Only pure and certain Sith are comfortable to work in outright and unadulterated absolutes.

[Aurora_Stealth]

On 6/26/2022 at 3:14 AM, ShamrockOneFive said:

I think you'll find the Ar234 is going to be pretty limited in its usefulness. Its fast but otherwise fairly limited. The Me410 is in most ways a backstep from the Bf110G-2. The Mosquito is perhaps the third or fourth fastest aircraft on the deck. Slow it down a bit but give it a ton of firepower (rockets, bombs, a massive array of guns) and its easily one of the best attack/low strike aircraft in the whole series.

 

The sides will never be even. For that you'd have to put the same aircraft on both sides.

 

Specific to the Me410, which is what this DD is all about, I think we're going to have a very interesting aircraft. I'm curious to see how some of the 410's issues translate or don't translate into the sim world. Also lots of versatility so that should make it interesting. I'm psyched!

 

I'm curious to know why you reckon the Me 410 will be such a backstep from the Bf 110 G - do you mean in terms of dogfighting ability? I mean apart from the bad reputation it carries...

 

It does produce much more power and energy than a Bf 110 - that can be traded to extend manoeuvres or zoom dive/climbs to better effect, it cruises significantly faster by a fair margin (esp. when a Bf 110 is carrying external stores) and is generally faster in a straight line regardless of armament/bomb package, it has a higher Vne than a Mosquito, probably out accelerates the Mosquito in a dive due to its combination of much higher loaded weight, power and decent aero, it is more robust to ground and air gunfire, it has superior defensive firepower, its more versatile in its offensive armaments, it has superior pilot and gunner protection.

 

I mean it's got very different strengths/weaknesses to the Mossie and Bf 110 G but I wouldn't say its overall inferior to the 110 as a ground attacker. It'll be more vulnerable as a heavy fighter but I think its energy advantage over the 110 could be quite useful and could offset that... not suitable for classic dogfighting though.

 

Perhaps agility somewhere in-between a Ju88C-6 and Bf 110G - which I don't think is catastrophic when you consider all of the above, its basically a light bomber and attacker but with some limited flexibility on top.

 

Here's a thought, imagine trying to engage a formation of these things all shooting back at you, while they're travelling in a steady high speed dive towards a ground target - probably not the easiest aircraft to shoot down considering the above - and its still agile enough to keep people off their aim provided they are kept at a distance. Also keep in mind, most fighter aircraft that are on patrol will likely be on cruise power until they spot the aircraft, so the differential in terms of speed is not always going to be black and white.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Aurora_Stealth