Game version 4.706 discussion: Ar 234 and B-26

[Gutermann]

i am doing some flack qmb and the b26 ai always start low and slow with the result of crash landing and they have no bomb on them either. 

[Ptolemy_Soter]

I've just seen a little problem with cockpit's labels:

 

 

 

Under sunlight, the paint has a very strange metallic effect.

I havn't check other labels.

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

Hey, love the new jet, not sure if it’s been mentioned yet… are the brakes reversed?  Right pedal does left tire and left pedal toes right…. Strange for taxiing

[Vishnu]

1 hour ago, [APAF]VR_Spartan85 said:

Hey, love the new jet, not sure if it’s been mentioned yet… are the brakes reversed?  Right pedal does left tire and left pedal toes right…. Strange for taxiing

I believe it’s a known bug they intend to hotfix. 

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Is the button for the Ar234 landing gear correctly animated? When gears out the button shows Ein (in)

When it’s inside the button is on Aus (out).

Or I misunderstand something?

[RyanR]

The B-26 is phenomenal. My only qualms with it are:

 

1. It's overshadowed by the Arado.

2. I feel bad that such nice work is basically there to be a difficult chew toy for a 190A. 

 

There's a TON of detail in the B-26 with the crew modeling and animations. Every station has something really well done. Super impressive.

 

-Ryan

 

 

[ADorante]

8 hours ago, Yankee_One said:

Hi Devs,

 

i found a little misspelling on the A 234.

Left to the RPM indicators on the instrument panel

the tag shows:

 

Höchsten Geschwindigkeit     it should be Höchstgeschwindigkeit without  "en"

 

Landeklappe Startstellung    320 Km/h

Landeklappe Landestellung  280 Km/h

 

Thanks

 

You are correct that this would make more sense concerning the correct use of German as spoken and written language in general.

BUT: In the past we have seen that German aircraft label design doesn't always adhere to correct German.

Case in point the word "wagerecht" on the real JU 87's bombing mode selector switch. (I remember that Oleg Maddox or one of his team members showed us this in a b/w photo when the question arose).

So unless you can supply photographic evidence (or similar) with better visible spelling of the real label this version is as good as any guess. ;)

[DarkWolf29]

How does one use the horizontal stabilizer trim on the Ar 234? Neither the Adjustable stabilizer axis or the Elevator trim axis key bindings seem to work. I must be missing something.

 

DW

[THERION]

2 minutes ago, DarkWolf29 said:

How does one use the horizontal stabilizer trim on the Ar 234? Neither the Adjustable stabilizer axis or the Elevator trim axis key bindings seem to work. I must be missing something.

 

DW

 

Make sure you do assign your keys/buttons for both - switch AND axis. Like this:

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, ADorante said:

 

You are correct that this would make more sense concerning the correct use of German as spoken and written language in general.

BUT: In the past we have seen that German aircraft label design doesn't always adhere to correct German.

Case in point the word "wagerecht" on the real JU 87's bombing mode selector switch. (I remember that Oleg Maddox or one of his team members showed us this in a b/w photo when the question arose).

So unless you can supply photographic evidence (or similar) with better visible spelling of the real label this version is as good as any guess. ;)

 

Well, here's the reference for the label. Not easy to make out the text, but it looks to me like the texture is correct:

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by LukeFF

[caaphii]

Im guessing it either says „Höchstzul. Geschwindigkeit“ or „Höchste zul. Geschwindigkeit“. Judging from the picture and what I would write as a native speaker I would lean towards „Höchstzul. Geschwindigkeit“ which means highest allowed speed. 

 

„Höchsten Geschwindigkeit“ is incorrect german and very very likely not the original text.
 

caaphii

[sevenless]

52 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Well, here's the reference for the label. Not easy to make out the text, but it looks to me like the texture is correct:

 

 

Thanks for the screenie.

 

It pretty much looks like it reads "Höchstmgl. Geschwindigkeit" or "Höchstzul. Geschwindigkeit".

 

which means maximum possible speed or maximum allowed speed. It is an appreviation for "Höchstmögliche Geschwindigkeit" or "Höchstzulässige Geschwindigkeit" like "maximum poss. speed" would be an abr. for "maximum possible speed".

 

 

Höchsten Geschwindigkeit is excluded by the screen AND doesnt make any sense in german language. If you look closely there are 3 letters after the "t" of "Höchst". The last of them is looking like an "l".

 

"Höchstgeschwindigkeit" is also excluded by the screen although it would be most sensible from a wording point of view and from its meaning.

 

Any chance to have that screenie in higher resolution to exclude all possible doubts?

Edited June 17, 2022 by sevenless

[Yogiflight]

Come on guys, it is absolutely obvious. As there is 'Landeklappen Startstellung' (flaps takeoff position) and 'Landeklappe Landestellung'  (flaps landing position) beneath it, it can only be 'Höchstzul. Geschwindigkeit' (highest allowed speed).

[Vishnu]

13 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

Come on guys, it is absolutely obvious. As there is 'Landeklappen Startstellung' (flaps takeoff position) and 'Landeklappe Landestellung'  (flaps landing position) beneath it, it can only be 'Höchstzul. Geschwindigkeit' (highest allowed speed).

That's what she said.

[Screwball]

On 6/15/2022 at 6:47 AM, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

Thanks for the update.  My turn to be Debbie Downer.  I'm just a little frustrated at getting AI only US bombers.  And the one US one we do have lacks the bombardier station and thus the view out the glass nose and the inability to access the bombsite controls on the ground.  Just don't get it.

 

Which had more impact on the war?

Arado AR 234 - Total built: 214

Martin B-26 - Total built: 5,288

North American B-25 - Total built: 9,816 (edit)

 

OK, I'm done.  Now I'm going to go fly, which I enjoy immensely.

 

BTW, when I fly a bomber I only care about piloting and bombing.  I could care less about being in a gunner position.  Leave those as AI, I'm fine with that and I bet many others would be too.
 

and 12,731 B-17's

[Yankee_One]

3 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

Come on guys, it is absolutely obvious. As there is 'Landeklappen Startstellung' (flaps takeoff position) and 'Landeklappe Landestellung'  (flaps landing position) beneath it, it can only be 'Höchstzul. Geschwindigkeit' (highest allowed speed).

Is this even true in Franggn??

 

Musste sein! ?

 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Yankee_One

[jollyjack]

12 hours ago, [APAF]VR_Spartan85 said:

Hey, love the new jet, not sure if it’s been mentioned yet… are the brakes reversed?  Right pedal does left tire and left pedal toes right…. Strange for taxiing

 

That's what the garage done for my car, it makes thieves get less far:

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by jollyjack

[Yogiflight]

2 hours ago, Yankee_One said:

Is this even true in Franggn??

 

Musste sein! ?

 

 

Yeah, I am good in foreign languages like German

 

6 hours ago, Vishnu said:

That's what she said.

To me it looks more like they were guessing, instead of simply reading all the text on the placard, which would have made it obvious.

[YoYo]

On 6/15/2022 at 2:30 PM, Regingrave said:

Dive bombing sight is enabled by LShift+V.

 

Looks like here is bug in keybinding: 

 

[Regingrave-]

1 час назад, YoYo сказал:

Looks like here is bug in keybinding

It's an error in the description, will be fixed.

[firdimigdi]

On 6/15/2022 at 7:37 PM, Regingrave said:

On 6/15/2022 at 7:08 PM, Firdimigdi said:

However as we keep seeing more and more AI-controlled assets added which will inevitably make it to scripted campaigns and career mode, @Regingrave any chance of having this issue looked at? It's been with us for a while now (since January apparently) and it basically hampers the enjoyment of complex campaigns in VR and can't be alleviated by any practical workaround:

Sure, I'll check it up again tomorrow.

 

Hi again, did this by any chance yield anything of interest?

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Firdimigdi
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[Herodotus]

Looking forward to picking up this addition, Normandy when the exchange rate for Aussies improves, though with the financial crisis and dropping dollar parity it might be some time. Still, I can play with what I have and drool over what is to come.

 

EDIT.

A very big thank you to SukkaVR for the more than generous gift of" BoN". Such a great community, one I've only ever experienced the like of with "Rise of Flight" from it's earliest days.

Cheers, mate.

Edited June 18, 2022 by Herodotus
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[DarkWolf29]

20 hours ago, THERION said:

Make sure you do assign your keys/buttons for both - switch AND axis. Like this:

 

Ahh, that got it. I didn't realize I should have both assigned. Thank you.

 

DW

[BigMotor]

First flight went very well.  Really enjoy the starting, extra controls and it looks amazing-well done team.

[BritishDragon]

Is anyone else having trouble removing the jet booster's?

I press the key bind and only the one on the left wing drops off. I'm then stuck with one jet booster on my right wing. Strange.

[Frenchy56]

I can't figure out how to drop the wing bombs. Did anyone else manage to?

[Elem]

16 minutes ago, Frenchy56 said:

I can't figure out how to drop the wing bombs. Did anyone else manage to?

Yep! Same button as all bomb release. In my case, B on my throttle quadrant.

[Heinzbaby]

This..

6. Improved physics of aircraft collision with static objects.

 

Good patch..

No longer getting killed on bouncy landings - how ever slight..

Still loosing Flaps, ailerons with ground loops in Spits, but still alive.

Now back to flying Careers - Campaign Ops.

 

[ScotsmanFlyingscotsman]

Todays stupid question, There is mention of gunsight in the weapons bindings. I've set some buttons for it, but nothing appears, I have not used the bombsight, I saw the gun pack and went charging after some B-26's, pressed for gunsight...I hope, nowt! So blasted away and found an effective but close range, got 2 of them before the gunners gave me a hot engine and I tested the bail out system. Any help appreciated. The AR-234 is a handful.

[JG4_Widukind]

Is there original data on the maximum height of the AR 234 loaded with the various bombs? The AR234 just about makes it to 8000m but can't keep up there.(3xsc500) The autopilot tries to trim the plane in level but eventually slows down and crashes. Was there a loading 3xSC250?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

33 minutes ago, JG4_Widukind said:

Is there original data on the maximum height of the AR 234 loaded with the various bombs? The AR234 just about makes it to 8000m but can't keep up there.(3xsc500) The autopilot tries to trim the plane in level but eventually slows down and crashes. Was there a loading 3xSC250?

Not sure about the maximum height, but I do have some info about the usual operational height and armament ("Strahlflugzeug Arado Ar234 >>Blitz<<, Manfred Griehl, 2003). Cruise altitude on ingress was usually 5000m (I've seen 6000m at least twice). Drop altitude was usually 1500m but ranges from 1200 to 3000 m. They seem to not really have bothered to climb much on egress, but rather stay low and keep their speed up. Armament was almost always a single SC500, although at Remagen a single SC1000 seems to have been the latest fashion.

[ScotsmanFlyingscotsman]

1 hour ago, ScotsmanFlyingscotsman said:

Todays stupid question, There is mention of gunsight in the weapons bindings. I've set some buttons for it, but nothing appears, I have not used the bombsight, I saw the gun pack and went charging after some B-26's, pressed for gunsight...I hope, nowt! So blasted away and found an effective but close range, got 2 of them before the gunners gave me a hot engine and I tested the bail out system. Any help appreciated. The AR-234 is a handful.

Tried bombsight as gunsight, not the most accurate, but it's better than nothing, getting more success with convoys with bombs and guns!

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

2 hours ago, Heinzbaby said:

This..

6. Improved physics of aircraft collision with static objects.

 

Good patch..

No longer getting killed on bouncy landings - how ever slight..

Still loosing Flaps, ailerons with ground loops in Spits, but still alive.

Now back to flying Careers - Campaign Ops.

 

Was very curious what that was all about.  Thanks.

 

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Armament was almost always a single SC500, although at Remagen a single SC1000 seems to have been the latest fashion.

 

Yes, that or occasionally an AB 500 cluster bomb. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

General question about the Arado...  Was it's initial intention to be a fast recon bird, and the bombing function came later as an after thought?   I ask because, to my mind, it's actually a pretty weak bombing platform.  You are risking a very high cost airframe, that needs a very experienced pilot, to drop at best (in the real world) one bomb, and not very accurately.  Other than go fast, the 234 has nothing over the (real world) Mosquito bomber version, or even the A26.

[LuftManu]

4 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

General question about the Arado...  Was it's initial intention to be a fast recon bird, and the bombing function came later as an after thought?   I ask because, to my mind, it's actually a pretty weak bombing platform.  You are risking a very high cost airframe, that needs a very experienced pilot, to drop at best (in the real world) one bomb, and not very accurately.  Other than go fast, the 234 has nothing over the (real world) Mosquito bomber version, or even the A26.

 

Welcome to the Wunderwaffe! 

I also see this a "Tactical bomber role" but then you see that the first operation of that type was the attack on Ludendorff Bridge so yeah, I guess it was just "use it whatever you can" thing.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Optics, when your iron fist merciless leadership is living in a world of delusion any illusion will do to placate them, and keep you alive one more day.  Just like Steiner's imaginary army is rolling to the rescue right up to the moment its discover there's nothing there and never was.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

10 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

You are risking a very high cost airframe, that needs a very experienced pilot, to drop at best (in the real world) one bomb, and not very accurately. 

 

Wasn't the Arado's airframe quite conventional? 

 

The engines at least were relatively inexpensive in terms of materials and labour compared to contemporary piston engines (aside from shortages of certain materials and short turbine lifespans).

 

Sometimes, the psychological effects and overall disruptions caused by special weapons justify increased costs. Perhaps the best example is the V-2 missile - a single-use device packed with seriously intricate components that would be lucky to hit the correct city.

[LukeFF]

51 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

General question about the Arado...  Was it's initial intention to be a fast recon bird, and the bombing function came later as an after thought?   I ask because, to my mind, it's actually a pretty weak bombing platform.  You are risking a very high cost airframe, that needs a very experienced pilot, to drop at best (in the real world) one bomb, and not very accurately.  Other than go fast, the 234 has nothing over the (real world) Mosquito bomber version, or even the A26.

 

Yes, the first planes were built as recon birds, and in that role it was quite good. Recon pilots talked about how they could happily fly along the coast of England, forming contrails for all the world to see, and they had nothing to worry about, because nothing could catch them. 

 

In the bombing role, it's important to remember they were mainly bombing large area targets like railyards and troop concentrations, so super-high accuracy wasn't necessary. 

[newbravado]

I clipped the top of a tree, the plane shuddered and threw off my aim the P47 got away. I thought my wing would be ripped off.

Their was no visible damage. Good job on the updated physics model.