Searching location for a target

[Habu]

I'm working on a mission from the 613 squadron which took place on 11th april 1944, but i can't find the location of the target.

 

I'm searching the location of the gestapo headquater in the Hague, on the Rheinland map.

 

I found a model of that headquater, but i can't find it in the town of the game, and the real location.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30018564

 

If someone have the location in the town,it would help me. I could use other building to try to reproduce it.

 

I'm interrest in all the dca location in the Hague, and all information which could help me.

 

 

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

Although I live far from Den Haag, and I've been there I think once in my life, being Dutch has its advantages as I'm able to read Dutch websites

 

It took me a bit of searching, but I was able to find what you're looking for. The bombardment you're talking about is the bombardment on Huize Kleykamp (52.087589N, 4.297995E). It's the building the yellow arrow points to at the IWM mockup. However, it isn't actually the Gestapo HQ but rather the State Inspectorate of the Resident Registry ("Rijksinspectie van de Bevolkingsregisters"), where copies of all issued identity cards were stored. Taking out these copies would make it easier for resistance fighters and SOE/OSS/etc. to create faked identity cards. For more information, see https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardement_op_het_Bevolkingsregister_in_Den_Haag and https://www.denhaag4045.nl/2020/04/10/de-slachtoffers-van-het-bombardement-op-kleykamp-in-den-haag-11-april-1944/#page-content (a Google Translate should give acceptable results).

 

Other locations in Den Haag the Germans used are:

- Ridderzaal and Plein: Propaganda purposes.
- Parlementsgebouw Plein 23: the office of Seyss-Inquart, the Reichscommissar for the Netherlands.
- Binnenhof 4 and 7: Sicherheitsdienst (SD) headquarters.
- Ministry of Colonies on Plein 1: Headquarters of Hanns Albin Rauter, the SS and Police chief of the Netherlands.

[Habu]

Thank you. I'm going to try to find the location on the Rheinland map.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

2 hours ago, Habu said:

Thank you. I'm going to try to find the location on the Rheinland map.

It seems the Devs forgot to place the Peace Palace on the Rheinland map - quite an oversight since they did make the 3d model after all .

 

It's supposed to be here:

...but it isn't there. There is a model sight_eu_peacepalace.mgm though, that should be placed here.

 

(A) is where the Peace Palace is supposed to be, (B) is where your target is.

 

If you want, I can create a quick .group template and surface .dat file for the Peace Palace and Huize Kleykamp. @Jason_Williams, if you like I can forward it to you as well - saves you guys the trouble of having to "bugfix" the omission of the Peace Palace yourselves.

[jollyjack]

I live in that town, but the whole map is very inaccurate LoL. But your efforts are appreciated ... never got to it.

[Habu]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

It seems the Devs forgot to place the Peace Palace on the Rheinland map - quite an oversight since they did make the 3d model after all .

 

It's supposed to be here:

...but it isn't there. There is a model sight_eu_peacepalace.mgm though, that should be placed here.

 

(A) is where the Peace Palace is supposed to be, (B) is where your target is.

 

If you want, I can create a quick .group template and surface .dat file for the Peace Palace and Huize Kleykamp. @Jason_Williams, if you like I can forward it to you as well - saves you guys the trouble of having to "bugfix" the omission of the Peace Palace yourselves.

Thank you for your help.

 

According to your previous information, that's where i located it.

 

I found a building which is similar even if it's not perfect.

 

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

7 minutes ago, Habu said:

I found a building which is similar even if it's not perfect.

You don't understand - that *is* the actual Peace Palace, and it is rather "perfect" (at least, as perfect as anyone could expect from a flight sim). The Devs just forgot to put it in game ?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

I've positioned the palace more or less where it's supposed to be, and added surface textures:

It's not perfect - some trees were slightly in the way forcing me to compromise, and the pond to the north is missing. Still, I think it does a nice job and looks realistic. Compare to the mockup from your IWM link.

 

Download here: denhaag_palace_of_justice.zip. Anyone's free to do what they want with it, including modifying it or redistribute it with missions. That includes the Devs, if they like (@Jason_Williams) - it's a shame a landmark that was painstakingly recreated doesn't show up at all!

Edited May 28, 2022 by AEthelraedUnraed

[Habu]

Thank you for your help, and the content you share.

 

I'm going to report that to the dev. They should fixe it as they create the 3D model, but forget to use it.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Habu

[jollyjack]

to show you how wrong the IL2 ww2 map of the Hague really is:

IL2 Rheinland The Hague (where to put that beautiful peace palace building LoL?):

 

 

And from the archive of the city a 1945 map:

 

 

[jollyjack]

PS i attempted to add some historical fixes last year, but gave up as canals, roads, railways and forests are hard coded and in harm's way anyway.

Edited May 29, 2022 by jollyjack