DVD Implementation Progress?

[Eisenfaustus]

Maybe it escaped my attention but have there been any news on the Progress of the Implementation of DVD? From my knowledge the only old bird that got it was the P51 and since then I‘m unaware of any news concerning further upgrade of older planes to have this feature. 
 

Does anyone know more?

[oc2209]

1 hour ago, Eisenfaustus said:

 From my knowledge the only old bird that got it was the P51

 

Typhoon has it. And both versions of the P-51, to be exact.

 

Given that all the other Normandy planes released so far have been variants of planes we already have, while the Typhoon is new, I will venture to guess that the upcoming planes will have DVD like the Typhoon, since they're all brand new to the series.

 

My logic (or lack thereof) is that it's probably easier to implement DVD into a plane as it's being built for the first time, instead of having to go back and do it retroactively. Thus the P-51B got it only because the P-51D already had it; while the Bf-109G-6 Late didn't get it, because the Bf-109G-6 didn't already have it.

 

Unless the tight schedule for Normandy's release will push all the DVD implementation back a while, anyway.

[Customizer171]

What is DVD? ?

[Irishratticus72]

11 minutes ago, Customizer171 said:

What is DVD? ?

Dynamic Visual Damage modelling. 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Irishratticus72

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Irishratticus72 said:

Dynamic Visual Damage modelling. 

 

Bullet decals!

 

[oc2209]

4 hours ago, Customizer171 said:

What is DVD? ?

 

Compared to the old damage visuals, DVD changes two things:

 

Decals are left at the point of a bullet/shell's actual impact location. It's not just a generic 'this area is damaged' decal as the old system works.

 

Secondly, the caliber and angle of the bullet impact is (usually) visible in the decal, as well as whether it's an AP or an HE ammunition type.

 

Quick example:

 

Spoiler

 

Yellow circles are DVD impact marks. Red squares are old damage decals.

 

Obviously I didn't bother to highlight all of the damage on the wing. With a trained eye, you can pick out a DVD decal even if it's on top of an old damage visual. An example of this would be the yellow circle on the Typhoon aileron's old damage decal. It's a DVD decal of a Russian 12.7mm or 20mm HE impact. The various DVD holes are of Russian 20mm AP/HE and 12.7mm AP/HE. A Yak-9 fired them.

 

The dark-rimmed oblong holes with clean edges are 20mm AP. The shiny-rimmed similar holes are 12.7mm AP.

 

Holes with rough edges are either 20mm or 12.7mm HE. I can't tell the difference with Russian HE. With German and British 20mm HE, the holes are larger.

 

30-37mm HE holes are unique (different decals than all smaller calibers), and are the largest.

 

You can easily pick them out here (I won't bother to circle them):

 

Spoiler

 

If you look closely, you will see four 30mm impacts. One on the top left corner of the screen, just below the walk strip and near the trailing edge of the wing; the other on the trailing edge of the wing just above where the aileron should be; the next one is nearby, just a trace of it visible on the corner of the aileron's former location; and finally, the big jagged hole that's on the edge of the British roundel, just beside the wing break.

Edited April 24, 2022 by oc2209

[Avimimus]

I'd put out a few questions about this - and the answer I got back is that it is still planned.

 

I suspect that they are waiting for the right time in the development cycle or the right staff to be free. I suspect we might see a lot more aircraft updated after BoN is released...?

[Eisenfaustus]

10 hours ago, Customizer171 said:

What is DVD? ?

Additionally to what has already been explained planes with DVD implemented can have custom tactical markings applied

[Customizer171]

23 hours ago, Irishratticus72 said:

Dynamic Visual Damage modelling. 

Thank you for the edit, because your first reply made me confused since the abbrevation did not match at all ?

Now it´s more logical. 

21 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

Compared to the old damage visuals, DVD changes two things:

 

Decals are left at the point of a bullet/shell's actual impact location. It's not just a generic 'this area is damaged' decal as the old system works.

 

Secondly, the caliber and angle of the bullet impact is (usually) visible in the decal, as well as whether it's an AP or an HE ammunition type.

 

Quick example:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Yellow circles are DVD impact marks. Red squares are old damage decals.

 

Obviously I didn't bother to highlight all of the damage on the wing. With a trained eye, you can pick out a DVD decal even if it's on top of an old damage visual. An example of this would be the yellow circle on the Typhoon aileron's old damage decal. It's a DVD decal of a Russian 12.7mm or 20mm HE impact. The various DVD holes are of Russian 20mm AP/HE and 12.7mm AP/HE. A Yak-9 fired them.

 

The dark-rimmed oblong holes with clean edges are 20mm AP. The shiny-rimmed similar holes are 12.7mm AP.

 

Holes with rough edges are either 20mm or 12.7mm HE. I can't tell the difference with Russian HE. With German and British 20mm HE, the holes are larger.

 

30-37mm HE holes are unique (different decals than all smaller calibers), and are the largest.

 

You can easily pick them out here (I won't bother to circle them):

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

If you look closely, you will see four 30mm impacts. One on the top left corner of the screen, just below the walk strip and near the trailing edge of the wing; the other on the trailing edge of the wing just above where the aileron should be; the next one is nearby, just a trace of it visible on the corner of the aileron's former location; and finally, the big jagged hole that's on the edge of the British roundel, just beside the wing break.

OMG, that was a really good explanation.

I appreciate it very much and it was great that you used pictures to show the differences!

[oc2209]

2 hours ago, Customizer171 said:

OMG, that was a really good explanation.

I appreciate it very much and it was great that you used pictures to show the differences!

 

No problem, I'm happy to help.

 

I'm a big fan of the DVD system, so I've studied it quite a bit. I can't wait until more planes get it.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

DVD is great idea but it's implementation is not good imho, mixing old and new decals which have different size, color (hit made by same caliber )and one are localized other don't. In the end new tech effects are lost in clutter  and look unrealistic. 

Edited April 25, 2022 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Avimimus]

5 hours ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

DVD is great idea but it's implementation is not good imho, mixing old and new decals which have different size, color (hit made by same caliber )and one are localized other don't. In the end new tech effects are lost in clutter  and look unrealistic. 

 

Jason mentioned once that there are a few aircraft which could do with updated underlying damage textures.

 

I found this was particularly noticeable with the Ju-88C-6a - it has the updated DVD system but the damage textures from the original Ju-88. This makes it almost impossible to see DVD hits on the rear fuselauge.

 

I suspect that some of these could be updated possibly if third party volunteers get involved (similar to the 4k cockpits). However, it is a lot of work and that effort could go to creating new content. I'm personally quite happy to eventually get more DVD and new content, I'm not going to be picky about them not redoing all the art.

[oc2209]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Jason mentioned once that there are a few aircraft which could do with updated underlying damage textures.

 

I found this was particularly noticeable with the Ju-88C-6a - it has the updated DVD system but the damage textures from the original Ju-88. This makes it almost impossible to see DVD hits on the rear fuselauge.

 

I hadn't even noticed the C got DVD. Thanks for mentioning it.

 

As @1PL-Husar-1Esk also mentioned above, the Ju-88's old damage decals are really large and dense and it's very easy to miss DVD impacts.

 

Here's a couple screens of .50 holes from a P-47:

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

And here's a Russian 37mm HE impact just beneath the starboard rear machine gun barrel:

 

Spoiler

 

The DVD system looks best on the P-51B, since that, for some reason, has less of the original P-51's old damage decals.

[Avimimus]

46 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

I hadn't even noticed the C got DVD. Thanks for mentioning it.

 

Your welcome!  The FC2 aircraft also have them - including the bombers - the Handley-Page O/400 is pretty fun to shoot designs into.

[oc2209]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 the Handley-Page O/400 is pretty fun to shoot designs into.

 

I tried, but got a little... carried away.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Interestingly, 30mm DVD hits do seemingly show up:

 

Spoiler

 

[[CPT]milopugdog]

19 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Your welcome!  The FC2 aircraft also have them - including the bombers - the Handley-Page O/400 is pretty fun to shoot designs into.

I got shot up in the HP on Flugpark the other day. the damage actually looks really good! I hope that eventually that the large section damage gets reworked to be a decal quality similar to the DVD damage in the WW2 planes.

 

[Avimimus]

Hmm... I think it is supposed to be large sections of canvas beginning to tear.

 

I wonder:

 

Instead of reworking damage textures - might it not be simpler to just have the highly damaged textures take longer to appear? So that textures like that (or the highly damaged Ju-88 rear fuselage) only visibly appear when they are 90% damaged and about to break?

 

These textures would be very good post-crash-landing or just prior to failure. So maybe the only issue is that they are appearing too early and need the damage threshold raised.