Cockpit shaking

[totalize]

Hi guys,

 

I noticed my cockpit shakes quite a bit in flight. Is this normal?  it's quite jumpy.

[Asgar]

Well, there are many factors. Do you mean in a dive at high speeds? Do you have turbulence set in the mission weather options? If you could provide more information it's easier to assess the situation.  

[szelljr]

?The A20-B ??    ?

[=WBR=_Clump]

Inlet cowl open

[oc2209]

7 hours ago, totalize said:

Hi guys,

 

I noticed my cockpit shakes quite a bit in flight. Is this normal?  it's quite jumpy.

 

I'm going to guess from your profile pic that you fly the 190 a lot.

 

The 190 is particularly shaky. It's like a syphilitic drunk caught in an earthquake. Some planes (most?) shake considerably less.

 

Does the 190D shake less than the A series? It should be a little different.

[oc2209]

"I also make a quick note about the rather excessive low frequency vibration; either caused by the engine, the propeller, the airframe, or more likely some combination of all of them. This appears to be a serious matter even today with all of these airplanes and may have caused some damage to the airframe (loose rivets) on this and other FWs. It also feels alarmingly uncomfortable!"

 

--Klaus Plasa, modern warbird pilot, on flying the Flug Werk 190 replicas.

 

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/eb-104.html

 

Section IV, J:

 

"Engine operation appeared a little rough during the entire flight, causing a slight vibration at all times in the entire airplane."

 

[...]

 

I'm not sure if the sim's actually simulating these things, but I notice far more 'cockpit shake' in the 190 than I do in, say, the Spitfire.

[LukeFF]

10 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

"I also make a quick note about the rather excessive low frequency vibration; either caused by the engine, the propeller, the airframe, or more likely some combination of all of them. This appears to be a serious matter even today with all of these airplanes and may have caused some damage to the airframe (loose rivets) on this and other FWs. It also feels alarmingly uncomfortable!"

 

--Klaus Plasa, modern warbird pilot, on flying the Flug Werk 190 replicas.

 

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/eb-104.html

 

Section IV, J:

 

"Engine operation appeared a little rough during the entire flight, causing a slight vibration at all times in the entire airplane."

 

[...]

 

I'm not sure if the sim's actually simulating these things, but I notice far more 'cockpit shake' in the 190 than I do in, say, the Spitfire.

 

He hasn't even said if it's an issue with the Fw 190 that he's having...

[oc2209]

30 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

He hasn't even said if it's an issue with the Fw 190 that he's having...

 

Not really my point.

 

Point was that some planes shake more than others. I would guess that he's flying one of those planes.

 

I used the 190 as an example because it's the more obvious shaker in my experience.

[firdimigdi]

11 hours ago, totalize said:

Hi guys,

 

I noticed my cockpit shakes quite a bit in flight. Is this normal?  it's quite jumpy.

 

Check if perhaps this helps.

[IckyATLAS]

2 hours ago, Firdimigdi said:

 

Check if perhaps this helps.

If you play with the QMB then check the Turbulence parameter. Set it to zero and see if you have still the head shaking too much.

[Irishratticus72]

4 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

Not really my point.

 

Point was that some planes shake more than others. I would guess that he's flying one of those planes.

 

I used the 190 as an example because it's the more obvious shaker in my experience.

When I cold start the Anton in "that other sim", damn does it shake like a fifties' washing machine. 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Irishratticus72

[Luftschiff]

One thing I noticed recently in the P-38 is that if you don't close the canopy it will close visually automatically during rollout, but will still count as open in the game.

I got extreme buffeting and shaking until I tried clicking the close canopy button again in flight. 

[JV69badatflyski]

5 hours ago, oc2209 said:

"I also make a quick note about the rather excessive low frequency vibration; either caused by the engine, the propeller, the airframe, or more likely some combination of all of them. This appears to be a serious matter even today with all of these airplanes and may have caused some damage to the airframe (loose rivets) on this and other FWs. It also feels alarmingly uncomfortable!"

 

--Klaus Plasa, modern warbird pilot, on flying the Flug Werk 190 replicas.

 

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/eb-104.html

 

Section IV, J:

 

"Engine operation appeared a little rough during the entire flight, causing a slight vibration at all times in the entire airplane."

 

[...]

 

I'm not sure if the sim's actually simulating these things, but I notice far more 'cockpit shake' in the 190 than I do in, say, the Spitfire.

- 190 Replica's are using a russian engine (ash-82) not really the same quality as the beemer. Ask the pilot from Heritage Collection if it's shaking in flight...
- eb-104: was a well used airframe when captured see pictures, operated in maritime and desertical environnement before being send to wrightfield.
   no data/info on lifetime/maintenance are to be found anywhere.

that's just cherry picking 2 examples and trying to convince it was a general case .
?
 

[oc2209]

8 hours ago, JV69badatflyski said:

- 190 Replica's are using a russian engine (ash-82) not really the same quality as the beemer. Ask the pilot from Heritage Collection if it's shaking in flight...
- eb-104: was a well used airframe when captured see pictures, operated in maritime and desertical environnement before being send to wrightfield.
   no data/info on lifetime/maintenance are to be found anywhere.

that's just cherry picking 2 examples and trying to convince it was a general case .
?
 

 

I knew someone would respond along these lines. When I know what people will say before they say it, that's a sign I've been on the forum too long.

 

Look, I'm not trying to insult the Fw-190. I was, as I said very clearly, just trying to point out examples of planes that vibrate.

 

Besides, if we really want to nitpick, the pilot mentioned the cause likely being a combination of several factors, not just the engine itself. Being an experienced WWII warbird pilot, I think he'd have already taken the different engine into consideration.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

When people start speculating whether it could be the Fw-190, an open canopy, turbulence or camera settings, I think it's high time we asked @totalize for more information about what exactly he's experiencing 

 

When does the cockpit shake? In all aircraft and all weather types? Anything you've noticed increases/decreases the shaking? How much does it shake? Did you try some of the above suggestions yet?

[161snails]

Just to add a bit to the mix, when playing in VR (HPg2) at some point the display goes from buttery smooth to random judders that makes flying untenable. Not sure what starts it but i have to exit the game and reboot to cure it. Has anyone else having this issue?

[ATAG_Headshot]

11 hours ago, Luftschiff said:

One thing I noticed recently in the P-38 is that if you don't close the canopy it will close visually automatically during rollout, but will still count as open in the game.

I got extreme buffeting and shaking until I tried clicking the close canopy button again in flight. 

If you watch closely it will automatically close the top part of the window, but the side windows stay open. You need to hit the close canopy key for your pilot to roll the sides shut. I'm guessing this was done to prevent everyone from starting the roll out before remembering to close the top, causing the top to get ripped off in the airstream and making people have to restart their flights. 

[Yogiflight]

10 hours ago, ATAG_Headshot said:

I'm guessing this was done to prevent everyone from starting the roll out before remembering to close the top, causing the top to get ripped off in the airstream and making people have to restart their flights. 

And why didn't they do that for other aircrafts like the 109s, 110s or 190s?

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

On 4/20/2022 at 2:31 AM, totalize said:

Hi guys,

 

I noticed my cockpit shakes quite a bit in flight. Is this normal?  it's quite jumpy.

Don't forget to post back if a solution is found, it could help other pilots who my experience the same problem

[RyanR]

On 4/20/2022 at 6:50 AM, JV69badatflyski said:

- 190 Replica's are using a russian engine (ash-82) not really the same quality as the beemer. Ask the pilot from Heritage Collection if it's shaking in flight...

 

 

There's irony, as the ash-82 was sorta derivative of the Wright Cyclone.

 

To the OP, turn on all the techno-chat stuff. It'll tell you things if cowl flaps are open when they should not be.

 

Otherwise, the cockpits do shake quite a bit.

 

-Ryan

 

 

 

[jogasa02]

On 4/20/2022 at 12:23 PM, Luftschiff said:

One thing I noticed recently in the P-38 is that if you don't close the canopy it will close visually automatically during rollout, but will still count as open in the game.

I got extreme buffeting and shaking until I tried clicking the close canopy button again in flight. 

thank you so much man 

[RossMarBow]

On 4/21/2022 at 9:00 AM, 161snails said:

Just to add a bit to the mix, when playing in VR (HPg2) at some point the display goes from buttery smooth to random judders that makes flying untenable. Not sure what starts it but i have to exit the game and reboot to cure it. Has anyone else having this issue?

From what I have seen of VR footage that seems to be a VR issue.
It is quite off putting when you see how shaky VR footage is compared with head tracking footage.

I have no idea if its a G2 issue, a VR issue, or what.

[FeuerFliegen]

On 4/20/2022 at 6:23 AM, Luftschiff said:

One thing I noticed recently in the P-38 is that if you don't close the canopy it will close visually automatically during rollout, but will still count as open in the game.

I got extreme buffeting and shaking until I tried clicking the close canopy button again in flight. 

 

 

It's not that the canopy counts as open in the game; it's because the side windows stay open until you manually close them.