Can we get a glimpse on the Me 410 mods?

[LuftManu]

Dear Devs:

One of the aircrafts in the pipeline is our beloved Hornisse, which looks like had many configurations irl.

 

We know so far that we are getting the 50 mm gun, but sadly we don't know anything else about other mods. Like the Mosquito, I am sure many are looking forward to flying this curious aircraft (me too).

 

Having a "bomber" and "interceptor" version will make things really interesting!

 

If there is info availible or it is planned soon, can we ask about the mods that are planned or going to come? ?

Thanks for your time! keep up the good work!

Kind regards,

 

 

 

[Asgar]

That would be great. The Luftwaffe put so many modifications in the 410 would be nice to see how well this is reflected in the Sim

Edited March 31, 2022 by Asgar

[Jason_Williams]

I don’t have the list in front of me, but rest assured it will have plenty of mods.

 

Jason

[Asgar]

[LuftManu]

@Jason_Williams Many thanks!

Now the wait will be harder!

[40plus]

Please! ?

 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Six 20mm nose and twin 30mm plox ?

[oc2209]

28 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Six 20mm nose and twin 30mm plox ?

 

The mere thought of that makes me a little weak in the knees.

 

A little overkill never hurts.

 

Well, unless you're the target.

[Feldgrun]

410 with 50mm? Another reason I’m thinking heavy Allied bombers are on the horizon.

[Asgar]

 

410 with 50mm? Another reason I’m thinking heavy Allied bombers are on the horizon.

The Mossie gets a 57mm does that mean the He177 will be added? ?

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Asgar said:

The Mossie gets a 57mm does that mean the He177 will be added? ?

 

Well, at least there are targets for the Mosquito... albeit the lack of a 'waterline hit' hitbox makes it much less effective.

 

If historically accurate we'll probably only get AP for the Mosquito and HE for the Me-410 I gather.

 

 

  

19 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

I don’t have the list in front of me, but rest assured it will have plenty of mods.

 

Jason

 

That is as tantalising as it is frustrating as an answer!

[Asgar]

 

That is as tantalising as it is frustrating as an answer!

Agreed xD

[Avimimus]

10 hours ago, Feldgrun said:

410 with 50mm? Another reason I’m thinking heavy Allied bombers are on the horizon.

 

I think that it is just sufficient that this be an interesting weapon fit (that was seen in service). Some of the Mosquito load-outs that we're getting were used mainly in Norway, but I somehow doubt the fjords with a FAA and Gloster Gladiator are on the horizon. But it is still interesting to have the options to experience.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

2 SC500 loaded = bombbaydoors cant be closed completly

2 SD500 loaded = doors can be closed

German high engineering

[Asgar]

1 hour ago, III/JG53Frankyboy said:

2 SC500 loaded = bombbaydoors cant be closed completly

2 SD500 loaded = doors can be closed

German high engineering

It’s on purpose so you can identify what it has loaded right away! Isn’t it obvious?

 

[Asgar]

Thanks Jason! Really excited about the nice range of mods for the Me 410! 

[LukeFF]

11 minutes ago, Asgar said:

Thanks Jason! Really excited about the nice range of mods for the Me 410! 

 

Agreed - like the Fw 190s, it's getting multiple planes essentially with all the different options. 

[Fritz_X]

15 minutes ago, Asgar said:

Thanks Jason! Really excited about the nice range of mods for the Me 410! 

 

The list posted by Jason sure does sound impressive!

 

I'm especially intrigued by the 4x MG 151/20 in the bomb bay modification. Am I misunderstanding something, or can we actually get a 6x MG 151/20 + 2x MG 131 frontal armament by combining these two modifications?

 

If the answer is yes, this would be a truly devastating setup.

Edited April 5, 2022 by Fritz_X

[oc2209]

47 minutes ago, Fritz_X said:

 

The list posted by Jason sure does sound impressive!

 

I'm especially intrigued by the 4x MG 151/20 in the bomb bay modification. Am I misunderstanding something, or can we actually get a 6x MG 151/20 + 2x MG 131 frontal armament by combining these two modifications?

 

If the answer is yes, this would be a truly devastating setup.

 

*Homer drools uncontrollably*

 

About a quarter of a second of a trigger pull would annihilate anything on a molecular level.

[Asgar]

1 hour ago, Fritz_X said:

 

The list posted by Jason sure does sound impressive!

 

I'm especially intrigued by the 4x MG 151/20 in the bomb bay modification. Am I misunderstanding something, or can we actually get a 6x MG 151/20 + 2x MG 131 frontal armament by combining these two modifications?

 

If the answer is yes, this would be a truly devastating setup.

That is in fact how some 410s were used  

Depending on the ammo belts we'll have to chose from either the BK5 or the twin MK 103 might be my favorite loadout. Especially for ground attack. But that's hoping we're getting AP ammo for those weapons on the 410

Edited April 5, 2022 by Asgar

[Fafnir_6]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

Agreed - like the Fw 190s, it's getting multiple planes essentially with all the different options. 

Indeed!  Me410A-1 as baseline,  switching the forward MG17s out for MG131s gives us the Me410B-1.  The Twin MK103 gunpack will give us the Me410B-2/U1, the twin MG151 gunpack gives us the Me410A-1/U2 and the 50mm the Me410A-1/U4.   So many murdery choices!!! I can't wait.  It will be such a pleasure to see this significant type given the full treatment in a combat simulator for the first time since EAW back in the 90's (this was the same deal with the Typhoon).  It was available as a mod for the original IL-2 but it was very bare bones and I'm not sure how good the FM was for it.  Given this team's track record, this will be utterly glorious :).

 

I have one question though...when the reconnaissance missions and camera mechanics are implemented for WWII types in the game, will we get the Me410A-3/Me410B-3 recon variations?

 

Cheers,

 

Fafnir_6

[LuftManu]

@Jason_Williams Many thanks for the info update! We are really looking forward to that bird!

[CUJO_1970]

Mercy, I cannot wait to get this thing.

[Fritz_X]

12 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Agreed - like the Fw 190s, it's getting multiple planes essentially with all the different options. 

 

I gladly second this and prefer this system very much compared how things had to be handled in classic IL-2.

 

My favorite example is the GB Hawker Hurricane. It comes with five different gun layouts (8 MGs, 12 MGs, 4x Hispanos, Soviet Field Mod, Tankbuster). This would alone would have resulted in five different entries in classic IL-2's plane list. But since it comes with an alternative engine modification, you can multiply this by 2, so we already would have 10 entries. Then there is also the air filter modification, so we can multiply it again by 2, which would leave us with 20 single entries in the plane list.

 

I feel like sometimes we tend to oversee the quick rise in quantitiy of the GB series, since all these different mods and combinations are 'hidden' behind a single plane, rather than a sheer endless list of planes to pick from. And even though 1946 will always have the lead with all its' copy-paste and magic-wonder-weapons planes, GB definitely doesn't have to hide anymore, content wise that is. Quality wise there's no room to debate, anyway.

 

But back to topic: Me-410. This one has easily become the BoN plane I'm most interested in to fly. When the plane set was initially revealed, it didn't interest me at all. The Typhoon, the Spitfire Mk. XIV, the Mosquito and even the JU-88 C6 got me more excited. The Me-410 sure felt like 'nice to have' for me, but nothing beyond that. This slowly changed over time, with Jason's latest post only fueling my excitement more.

 

I really wonder how this plane is going to fare compared to the Mosquito. It will obviously have neither the speed nor the handling, but with basically any of the cannon mods installed it will have an even higher frontal fire power than its' already massively armed British counterpart. Plus it will have a rather strong defensive armament, which it most likely will benefit from. If the AI gunner can manage to hit enemy planes properly. My guess is that both planes will tend to be death traps in a competitive online environment, but when it comes to single player, I feel like the Me-410 could actually have an edge over the Mosquito.

[Asgar]

1 hour ago, Fritz_X said:

 

I gladly second this and prefer this system very much compared how things had to be handled in classic IL-2.

 

My favorite example is the GB Hawker Hurricane. It comes with five different gun layouts (8 MGs, 12 MGs, 4x Hispanos, Soviet Field Mod, Tankbuster). This would alone would have resulted in five different entries in classic IL-2's plane list. But since it comes with an alternative engine modification, you can multiply this by 2, so we already would have 10 entries. Then there is also the air filter modification, so we can multiply it again by 2, which would leave us with 20 single entries in the plane list.

 

I feel like sometimes we tend to oversee the quick rise in quantitiy of the GB series, since all these different mods and combinations are 'hidden' behind a single plane, rather than a sheer endless list of planes to pick from. And even though 1946 will always have the lead with all its' copy-paste and magic-wonder-weapons planes, GB definitely doesn't have to hide anymore, content wise that is. Quality wise there's no room to debate, anyway.

 

But back to topic: Me-410. This one has easily become the BoN plane I'm most interested in to fly. When the plane set was initially revealed, it didn't interest me at all. The Typhoon, the Spitfire Mk. XIV, the Mosquito and even the JU-88 C6 got me more excited. The Me-410 sure felt like 'nice to have' for me, but nothing beyond that. This slowly changed over time, with Jason's latest post only fueling my excitement more.

 

I really wonder how this plane is going to fare compared to the Mosquito. It will obviously have neither the speed nor the handling, but with basically any of the cannon mods installed it will have an even higher frontal fire power than its' already massively armed British counterpart. Plus it will have a rather strong defensive armament, which it most likely will benefit from. If the AI gunner can manage to hit enemy planes properly. My guess is that both planes will tend to be death traps in a competitive online environment, but when it comes to single player, I feel like the Me-410 could actually have an edge over the Mosquito.

One of us. One of us. One of us. 

[percydanvers]

On 4/1/2022 at 8:42 AM, Asgar said:

The Mossie gets a 57mm does that mean the He177 will be added? ?

 

Are we getting the tsetse mosquito? Neat!

[Avimimus]

33 minutes ago, percydanvers said:

Are we getting the tsetse mosquito? Neat!

 

Yes. A surprise addon - complete with reinforced nose. Also, two types of Coastal Command rocket rails.

[=621=Samikatz]

8 hours ago, Fritz_X said:

I really wonder how this plane is going to fare compared to the Mosquito. It will obviously have neither the speed nor the handling, but with basically any of the cannon mods installed it will have an even higher frontal fire power than its' already massively armed British counterpart. Plus it will have a rather strong defensive armament, which it most likely will benefit from. If the AI gunner can manage to hit enemy planes properly. My guess is that both planes will tend to be death traps in a competitive online environment, but when it comes to single player, I feel like the Me-410 could actually have an edge over the Mosquito.

 

The firepower difference is sort of academic. Being hit by six MG151s or four Hispanos will both turn you to dust, exactly how finely diced the parts are isn't super important. The Merlin 25 only has a single-stage super so I reckon that the 410 will eclipse it in speed and power as it climbs up, but I suspect you are simply never going to find a Mosquito that high up anyway. Low down, everything I've seen puts the 410 as significantly slower, but as the Bf-110 proves when you're trying to run away you don't need to be hugely faster, just close enough in speed to turn it into a long, annoying chase. If the Mosquito gets a 25lb/s setting (Which I'm unsure about, other Mosquito models at the time there is evidence of it in wartime use, but I haven't found anything for the FB.VI yet outside of tests) it can do about 360~mph at sea level, which is absolutely fast enough to run away from A-6s and G-6s if you already have separation.

 

I think that both planes will be survivable, but you will need to be disciplined and hit targets from unexpected angles without loitering, and make good use of distractions from other aircraft

[percydanvers]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Yes. A surprise addon - complete with reinforced nose. Also, two types of Coastal Command rocket rails.

 

Wow, well the Mosquito is likely to become my favorite ground attacker after this

[oc2209]

10 hours ago, Fritz_X said:

I really wonder how this plane is going to fare compared to the Mosquito. It will obviously have neither the speed nor the handling, but with basically any of the cannon mods installed it will have an even higher frontal fire power than its' already massively armed British counterpart. Plus it will have a rather strong defensive armament, which it most likely will benefit from. If the AI gunner can manage to hit enemy planes properly. My guess is that both planes will tend to be death traps in a competitive online environment, but when it comes to single player, I feel like the Me-410 could actually have an edge over the Mosquito.

 

This seems like a logical assessment.

 

What I'm wondering about now: according to a 410 book I have, it (the specific model isn't mentioned) carried 477kg of armor. Which sounds unusually extensive.

 

I imagine this will have at least some small impact on its survivability. If not from the air, it should matter against ground fire.

[FliegerAD]

On 4/1/2022 at 5:06 PM, Avimimus said:

 

I think that it is just sufficient that this be an interesting weapon fit (that was seen in service). Some of the Mosquito load-outs that we're getting were used mainly in Norway, but I somehow doubt the fjords with a FAA and Gloster Gladiator are on the horizon. But it is still interesting to have the options to experience.

 

Seeing the last 410s were used in Norway... who knows? Also, the option of American naval fighters clashing with 190s and 109s (including the G14/AS) sounds cool, so Norway has a lot going for it other than its beautiful landscape.

 

Anyway, regarding the 410: it is the reason I want the Normandy-module. (plus the Typhoon which was the first WW2 model I build).  To be honest, I am curious to try it against P-38s. Historically the encounters were not as one-sided as one may expect.

 

But there is so much more to it: fast bomber, recon, bomber destroyer, heavy fighter.... there was even a dedicated submarine support variant. We won't get that, but still, the 410 will allow for a lot of playstyles. And all of them will be a challenge against 43/44 Allied fighters.

That is why I am hopeful the 410 will get as many mods as possible. I love the Zerstörer, flawed as they are. And flying the ultimate Zerstörer in all its glory and all its variants is a dream.

[Lusekofte]

210/410/Beufighter/DO17/Swordfish/Devastator/Dauntless/Avenger/Kate/Thypoon/A20/B26/Defiant

I say , ²/¹² is not bad among one's favorite