Developer Diary, Part 72

[Livai]

Correct.  The unlocks for the 190 were listed in Dev Diary #65: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/6701-developer-diary-part-65/?hl=+fw190 +unlock

 

I have looked at this but can this understand different

 

1. if look at the Video and you now remove the MGFF/M you have only the MG17 left. To fight with only 2x MG17 how funny is this?

2. Or the Video from the Devs showing the MGFF/M mounted.

 

Disappointed

 

S!

 

 Removal of outer wing cannons was not an uncommon modification, so I do not see anything wrong in the Fw190A-3. 

 

If I understand you right. A not historic plane model is for you fine? Do you like to fly with only 2x MG17? If I made a Video I would show the right model. Bf190 with gunpods is not the same like a FW 190 without outer wings cannons.

[Saurer]

Have you even looked at the picture you posted?

 

The Fw 190 A3 had 2 MG-FF/M in the outer wings, 2MG 151 in the inner wings and two MG 17 over the Engine.

 

Removing the MG-FF/M's, which was a common field mod, would still leave you with two MG 151's and the MG 17's

Edited July 22, 2014 by saurer

[Livai]

Have you even looked at the picture you posted?

 

The Fw 190 A3 had 2 MG-FF/M in the outer wings, 2MG 151 in the inner wings and two MG 17 over the Engine.

 

Removing the MG-FF/M's, which was a common field mod, would still leave you with two MG 151's and the MG 17's

 

I have looked what the Devs made and how the FW 190 look at their video. Then I looked at the possible Weapon Mods that they posted at Dev Diary 65. 

 

And adding both Dev Video + Dev Diary 65 together say me clear that the inner wings cannon are MGFF/M and if I remove them I have only MG17 or if I use the MGFF/M Weapon Mod I would have MG17 and MGFF/M like the Dev Video show. Means no outer wings cannons and no historic accurate.

[Brano]

Do you know the difference between MGFF and MG151? I think you don't.And you are getting all wrong.Noone says you will get ''rifle caliber mg only'' version.That is just ridiculous to think about.

[Livai]

Do you know the difference between MGFF and MG151? I think you don't.And you are getting all wrong.Noone says you will get ''rifle caliber mg only'' version.That is just ridiculous to think about.

 

 

The inner wings cannons from the Bf 109 E-3/E-4 are MGFF/M and look the same like the inner wing cannons from the Fw 190 A-3 showing in the Dev video.  Where are the difference? Same length of the cannons?. The Dev Video is showing mounted inner wing MGFF/M cannons. 

 

I am pretty sure that the plane model is finial how they showed and you can use a Weapon Mod to replace the inner wing cannons MG151/20E with MGFF/M cannons or have fun with the Rifle Caliber MG only Weapon Mod   Thats it. Now we have it.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Superghostboy

[Voidhunger]

The inner wings cannons from the Bf 109 E-3/E-4 are MGFF/M and look the same like the inner wing cannons from the Fw 190 A-3 showing in the Dev video.  Where are the difference? Same length of the cannons?. The Dev Video is showing mounted inner wing MGFF/M cannons. 

 

I am pretty sure that the plane model is finial how they showed and you can use a Weapon Mod to replace the inner wing cannons MG151/20E with MGFF/M cannons or have fun with the Rifle Caliber MG only Weapon Mod   Thats it. Now we have it.

the inner wings armament are mg 151. what are you talking about ?

[FuriousMeow]

the inner wings armament are mg 151. what are you talking about ?

 

He doesn't know.

 

In the video still on page one the MG-151/20mm barrels are clearly protruding from the inner wing sections of the 190. It doesn't get anymore clear than that. Superghostboy has been lost in the sauce since a while ago.

Edited July 22, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[ShamrockOneFive]

I had a look at the FW190A-3 video again...

 

The MG151/20 barrels are the correct lengths... at least by eyeballing it. They are certainly present.

 

What we don't see in the video is the outer wing cannons (the MG-FF/M) which are apparently not on this plane. Going by the Dev Diary it appears that the outer wing cannons are unlockable as 60 or 90 round drums but they aren't equipped by default. IMHO, I think that's wrong but that's their decision and I suppose that is how it is going to work. If anything should be unlockable it would be removing the cannons or adding the extra larger drum magazines.

 

There is absolutely no case here where only the MG17s would be present. There is, at the very least, always the MG151/20s on the inboard cannon mounts.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

 

Thanks this, looks amazing!

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

look like the A3 with two MG 151's and the MG 17's, to me.. what's the problem?

 

CG Limits clean configuration Outer guns removed.

 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=FW190+A3&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dC3PU-LLI4zuoATnq4CoDw&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1949&bih=1025#facrc=_&imgdii=OUhVLgZ3vK3XvM%3A%3Bma-HnKCp-ZtGAM%3BOUhVLgZ3vK3XvM%3A&imgrc=OUhVLgZ3vK3XvM%253A%3BL4gfuxftkmS0uM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.wwiiaircraftphotos.com%252FLCBW%252FFW190-A3-10.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.wwiiaircraftphotos.com%252Fluftwaffephotos%252Flfw1901.htm%3B963%3B539

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Edited July 23, 2014 by 71st_Mastiff

[Finkeren]

Not that it's relevant to Superghostboys misunderstanding, but the Fw 190 was originally armed solely with MG17s. The A-0 had six of them in the same positions that all later models had their guns. The A-1 exchanged the outer pair of MG17 for the MG-FF/M and only by the A-2 were the inner pair changed to MG 151.

[LukeFF]

 

 

look like the A3 with two MG 151's and the MG 17's, to me.. what's the problem?

 

That's an A-8 of JG 26. 

[Finkeren]

That's an A-8 of JG 26. 

 

Are you sure that isn't an A-7? It's got the long pitot tube fitted mid-wing rather than the short one out near the wingtip.

[bivalov]

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not really understand your aaa claims, because 2 MG-FF/M it's "Rüstsatz" or just "additional kit", if i understood and translated correctly... so, in game and will be MG-FF/M with T 60-FF or T90-FF, as additional weapon. looks like that all correctly.

[ShamrockOneFive]

look like the A3 with two MG 151's and the MG 17's, to me.. what's the problem?

 

CG Limits clean configuration Outer guns removed.

 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=FW190+A3&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dC3PU-LLI4zuoATnq4CoDw&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1949&bih=1025#facrc=_&imgdii=OUhVLgZ3vK3XvM%3A%3Bma-HnKCp-ZtGAM%3BOUhVLgZ3vK3XvM%3A&imgrc=OUhVLgZ3vK3XvM%253A%3BL4gfuxftkmS0uM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.wwiiaircraftphotos.com%252FLCBW%252FFW190-A3-10.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.wwiiaircraftphotos.com%252Fluftwaffephotos%252Flfw1901.htm%3B963%3B539

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The only "problem" is that the default configuration for the aircraft was with all four cannons but what we're getting is one with a default of just the two inner cannons. The outer cannons are part of an unlock system. I suppose this is alright either way and the A-3 is a kind of bonus aircraft (present on the front but not present specifically at Stalingrad) but its worth pointing out. The MG-FF/M removal did happen so it's not entirely unusual either.

 

 

Are you sure that isn't an A-7? It's got the long pitot tube fitted mid-wing rather than the short one out near the wingtip.

The image source says A-7 on it... so you might be right. Distinguishing some of the FW190 models is difficult for me. The details are very slight.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Thanks this, looks amazing!

So I was just testing the Stuka in MP, noticed it too was only audible to the client.  Any chance you could fix that issue too? 

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I noticed the all guns convergence is 500m.

 

Lag's ruder trim tab in QMB does not work and is far left trim.

 

When plane catch's fire MG gun sounds stay looping on, even when I jump from plane.

Edited July 24, 2014 by 71st_Mastiff

[FuriousMeow]

Lag's elevator trim tab in QMB does not work and is far left trim.

 

 

 

Just tested - working fine. LaGG-3 I just tested I mean. That the plane you are having problems with? Far left trim? Aileron or rudder? Both seem close to neutral and adjustable.

[Chuck_Owl]

Am I the only guy who is actually more excited about the He-111 than the FW-190?

#bomberpilotswag

[Endy]

Am I the only guy who is actually more excited about the He-111 than the FW-190?

 

#bomberpilotswag

No, I'm looking forward to it too.

[sallee]

Make that three of us!

[LuftManu]

Now four!

[Gambit21]

Am I the only guy who is actually more excited about the He-111 than the FW-190?

 

#bomberpilotswag

No.

I'm getting annoyed with all the "when will it get here" threads, as if it's the end all/be all of this sim and will somehow lend some level

of 'awesome' that we don't already enjoy. 

Human nature I guess. If it was the 109 we didn't have it would be the same thing.

[SCG_Neun]

Haven't had time to read all the posts lately...been vacationing a bit.  So sorry if this is repetitious....but this sim is coming along nicely.  I'm starting to pick up on a lot of detail that is being added every update.  Looking forward to some real missions soon.  Thanks Guys for all the hard work!

[sallee]

No.

I'm getting annoyed with all the "when will it get here" threads, as if it's the end all/be all of this sim and will somehow lend some level

of 'awesome' that we don't already enjoy. 

Human nature I guess. If it was the 109 we didn't have it would be the same thing.

I like flying big bombers. I've been enjoying the content so far. I've been practising high-level bombing in the Pe-2. I haven't been whining for anything. I think the team are doing a great job. I' m so sorry you are so easily annoyed. 

[Gambit21]

I like flying big bombers. I've been enjoying the content so far. I've been practising high-level bombing in the Pe-2. I haven't been whining for anything. I think the team are doing a great job. I' m so sorry you are so easily annoyed. 

I think you misunderstood - or more probably I wasn't clear.

I'm more looking forward to the He-111 as well and got tired of "Will it be this wee? Will it be this week? Will it be this week?" 190 threads a while ago.

[sallee]

I didn't think this looked like turning into a "when will it get here" thread. It was more like a ,we'll be glad when it gets here" thread. Which, I agree, is far better.

[fjacobsen]

It's 500/100/500 but the middle one cycles twice.

 

According to this document the ammo counters seem to work correctly: http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/s/SZKK/LuftT6505Schusszeahler.pdf

 

The left and right ammo counter are labelled 500 - these are SZ500 counters and counts from 500 to zero.

The middle ammo counter is labelled 100- this is a SZ100 and counts from 0-100, but since the cannon can hold up to 200 rounds, the counter will reset back to indicate full when the first 100 rounds has been fired.

 

On the real ammo counters the knob below the indicatore is used to set actual number of rounds. So as decribed in the document, 120 rounds has been loaded, the counter should be set to 20. After having fired the first 20 rounds, the counter would reset to indicate full (the remaining 100 rounds).

 

 

FinnJ

[TJT]

For the FW 190A-5 at least the MG FF/M's are acctually listed as Rüstsatz in the Flugzeug-Handbuch. [ D.(Luft) T.2190 A-5/A-6 Teil 0 ] While for the A-6 its not listed as such with the MG 151 installation. I suspect the A-3 had the same kind of listing for those outer guns. Though they are VERY common to see installed in archive pictures so having them as an unlock as BoS will have feels gamey rather then accurate. The removal of them for increase roll etc would make more sense from a historic perspective but in games firepower is valued/feared above all.