IL-2 Cliffs of Dover Blitz - WIP 4K Terrain Early morning low vis flight - France

[ATAG_Pattle]

 

Join us as we take in early morning flight in a He-111 over France.

 

Weather was foggy with low visibility.

 

Weather like this will test navigation skills of even the veteran pilot, and once you fly into the soup, one better be familiar with instrument flying!

 

 

Regards,

 

TFS Team

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you Pattle, I loved all the scenery objects all along the trip.

 

May I ask you one request and one question?

 

I'm pretty sure this is the Autumn version of the Channel map... correct?

 

Would be possible, even with TrueSky, to set such a fog in the Summer version of the map? That would be inconsistent, obviously, and, if so, then I guess it would be entirely depending on the good will and common sense of the mission designers in the community.

 

1) Thus, my request is: please tell us how the weather will work in the game if depending on the map's season.

 

2) My question is: the scenery was fantastic... is all of this scenery an example of what a mission designer created for this demonstration video or, on the contrary, will this scenery be the default scenery in the upcoming rereleased version of the map? (this question applies too to the Wellington video over England).

 

I hope you didn't find my queries are too intrusive...

 

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by 343KKT_Kintaro
depending of -> depending on / will this the -> will this be the

[Dagwoodyt]

I have no idea what this vid has to do with instrument flying or why the vid needs to fly through “soup”. If this “soup” is not trueSky is it a “climb down” alternative to trueSky?

 

[JG-1_Ludwig]

Those cows are not going to give milk if you keep flying low over them that way. The farmers are going to complain!

[Enceladus828]

I'm intrigued to see what the Winter 4K terrain looks like ?

[Mysticpuma]

Impressive and nice to see a real 'pea souper'. Okay two details that stood out for constructive critique. The bright orange trees really look out of place, not sure if tree types can be changed but they really look like lollipops in comparison to the others.

 

Second thing, I am sure I heard the crews were going to be remodelled or improved/updated and compared to the landscape and the cockpit, that chap really does stand out like a sore thumb. The head movements too as mentioned. It would be a shame after all this time to release a visual update package and not give the pilot/crew models some attention? Even a few more polygons, a few more animation cycles and a 4K re-texture?

Edited March 5, 2022 by Mysticpuma

[OBT-Lionel]

Mysticpuma say : "The bright orange trees really look out of place" .

 

I live in Normandy, these trees can be "Orme". In 1940, there were still many in Normandy.

[SCG_motoadve]

Love the grey sky and countryside, what looks strange is that there are too many shadows in the cockpit (maybe work in progress?)

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Hey Puma, if you read my former message in the present thread, you'll notice I already said that this is the Autumn map. Its colours, as currently existing in the current map, are more or less the same in England and France. Do you seriously think that, in this video, the colouring of the trees is different than the existing colouring in the trees we can find on the existing Autumn map? Otherwise, maybe the fog affects the colouring of the scenery and landscape but the video didn't give me such an impression.

On the pilots and aircrew members: yes, now this has become an old problem in IL2CoD. Those guys are really an old problematic creation of Maddox Games, no even moving realistically. I trust Team Fusion Simulations will sooner or later improve them. You say "I heard the crews were going to be remodelled or improved/updated" and I perfectly remember that as well, that was a Buzzsaw statement, but cannot find it in the forums now.

 

Lionel : the  French word "orme" translates into the English word "elm". So yes, elm trees can vary from yellow to orange in the Autumn time. Not only in Normandy but all around the world as well.

To SCG_motoadve: this fog is seen from above, not from beneath. Look at the engines fairing during the first minutes of the video : they are matt and do not reflect the external sun light because they are under a clouded/foggy sky. Further in the video, at timing 9'50'', the sun is visible for a few seconds beween clouds, and then the engines fairing reflects light very realistically. Absolutely amazing for this external lighting demonstration... no shining of metal surfaces with foggy time... but when it comes to talk about the projected shadows in the inner surfaces of the cockpit, those shadows are a bit too contrasting, you're right. So, external fog + inner lighting in a cockpit... that must be a tricky one for the developers indeed. Maybe, and simply, this is a PC flight sim limitation we must accept with resignation, who knows.

 

Other than that, one improvement I look forward is "Increase of the player view distance by up to 10 times current view distances". Any news on this?

 

The present message has been kindly posted by the self-appointed defense attorney of Team Fusion Simulations. Have fun.

 

 

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Hey Puma, if you read my former message in the present thread, you'll notice I already said that this is the Autumn map. Its colours, as currently existing in the current map, are more or less the same in England and France. Do you seriously think that, in this video, the colouring of the trees is different than the existing colouring in the trees we can find on the existing Autumn map? Otherwise, maybe the fog affects the colouring of the scenery and landscape but the video didn't give me such an impression.

No issues with your comment. I just think a darker brown rather than cartoon orange would blend better especially with a later version of Speedtree being used. 

 

Glad we agree on the pilot and crew mannequins. The bomber pilots staing at them really must wish for a more lifelike crew. 

No one expects BoX levels but to hope for that would be incredible. 

 

Anything but the robotic poorly textured chaps we fly with now would be great. 

 

It can obviously be implemented as the pot animation for bailing out was created. So a new model, new texture, for animation cycles....that would be great to see. 

[Cybermat47]

29 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

Glad we agree on the pilot and crew mannequins. The bomber pilots staing at them really must wish for a more lifelike crew. 

No one expects BoX levels but to hope for that would be incredible. 

 

Anything but the robotic poorly textured chaps we fly with now would be great. 

 

Unfortunately, we've received significant opposition to any upgrades from the aircrew themselves.

 

I was recently sent this email:

 

Spoiler

 

Hopefully this will be resolved soon, and we'll be able to upgrade the aircrew.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Cybermat47

[Dagwoodyt]

Given the lack of acknowledgement I have to conclude that this "soup" effect isn't trueSKY-related. I kept fast-forwarding to see a climb-out above the "soup" and/or exit from the "soup" that never happened in a 13 minute video. Seems the most likely use of the "soup" is to decrease cpu/gpu workload. Otherwise the vid could show the aircraft entering and exiting the "soup" so that the terrain can be viewed with and without "soup" effect.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[Mysticpuma]

49 minutes ago, Cybermat47 said:

 

Unfortunately, we've received significant opposition to any upgrades from the aircrew themselves.

 

I was recently sent this email:

 

  Hide contents

 

Hopefully this will be resolved soon, and we'll be able to upgrade the aircrew.

I think we found who they modelled the crew member on! 

Anyway, back to the pilot/crew models. 

This is BoX 2022 crew models. 

 

 

 

 

 

TFS "part time, enthusiasts, not full time job, not large studio" completely understand. 

"It's a flight sim not a human modelling sim!" yep, so is BoX. 

 

The point being, this sort of detail is great and would be welcome. I would say that the Pilot setup scheme in Clod is great and if it was possible to just up the detail maybe in just the head/face, texture and animation... it's just that extra level of immersion. 

 

I dread to think what VR will be like when turning and seeing the mannequin staring back and then snapping it's neck in an Exorcist manner next to you! 

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

Yeah, those look slightly better than CloD’s models. 
 

 

[OBT-Lionel]

Box, for cosmetics, they know how to do...

[timothy55]

The detail, threshing machines, cows eating  the hay, those shadows , that terrain looks like you could go down there with a rifle and a do a FPS as an infantryman.

Excellent lads, we will all soon be there with the finished product.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

  

10 minutes ago, OBT-Lionel said:

Box, for cosmetics, they know how to do...

 

 

Nobody cares. That's not the point regarding our crappy crew members in Cliffs of Dover and our crappy crew members in Cliffs of Dover are not the point regarding the present thread. Simply read the OP, watch the video and after having watched the video, please try to understand the thread's purpose.

 

As per the above, I agree with those, Mysticpuma for example, who are not happy with our pilots and aircrew members as they are in the game... BUT some people, Puma included, were, until very recently, eager to see screenshots or videos showing the current development of VR, 4K or TrueSky... and now that the requested pitures and videos start to be shared by TFS... we are simply rolling back to new complaints and new debates, off-topic all of them. Disappointing.

 

So, if you want to compare sims and stay on topic, rather than comparing aircrew personnel with Great Battles, let's compare the weather engine with Great Battles. Not so long ago, in a Great Battles dogfight server, I found myself in a strong rainy storm, a real shower. Cannot remember the aircraft, I think it was a 109 F-4, or maybe a K-4. So I decided to overfly the storm and, once in altitude, this it what I found over the coat of clouds: an intense sun light and the endless blue of the sky over a white landscape made out of white clouds. The clouds where dark grey when I was beneath the coat, not over it. They obscured the sky and the sun when I was beneath that coat, not over it. So this is an example of a realistic weather engine and this is what Dagwoodyt (simply read his last post) is asking about the video in the OP.

 

The present message has been kindly posted by the self-appointed defense attorney of Team Fusion Simulations. Have fun.

 

 

[JS81Knows]

For me the landscape is glorious, but I hope the orange trees find a way to be slightly less intense. Then it will be perfect!

[343KKT_Kintaro]

9 minutes ago, JS81Knows said:

For me the landscape is glorious, but I hope the orange trees find a way to be slightly less intense. Then it will be perfect!

 

 

It's the Autumn map. The Autumn map. Autumn, you know? For further reading, click here.

 

 

[JS81Knows]

44 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

It's the Autumn map. The Autumn map. Autumn, you know? For further reading, click here.

 

 

I say old chap, it’s ok to have an opinion isn’t it? Surely that’s what a forum is for… 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

If there's no problem with having opinions there shouldn't be no problem then with debating about opinions. My question to Mysticpuma, who shares your opinion, is therefore now my question to you JS81Knows: "Do you seriously think that, in this video, the colouring of the trees is different than the existing colouring in the trees we can find on the existing Autumn map? Otherwise, maybe the fog affects the colouring of the scenery and landscape but the video didn't give me such an impression."

 

I'm not getting a satisfactory answer to my question same as Dagwoodyt is not getting yet a satisfactory answer to his. In a thread, in a forum, there should be some rational and coherent succession of exchanged messages... and this is all what I'd like to see here. Wishing you all the best, JS81Knows.

 

[Mysticpuma]

14 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

  As per the above, I agree with those, Mysticpuma for example, who are not happy with our pilots and aircrew members as they are in the game... BUT some people, Puma included, were, until very recently, eager to see screenshots or videos showing the current development of VR, 4K or TrueSky... and now that the requested pitures and videos start to be shared by TFS... we are simply rolling back to new complaints and new debates, off-topic all of them. Disappointing.

 

11 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

If there's no problem with having opinions there shouldn't be no problem then with debating about opinions. My question to Mysticpuma, who shares your opinion, is therefore now my question to you JS81Knows: "Do you seriously think that, in this video, the colouring of the trees is different than the existing colouring in the trees we can find on the existing Autumn map? Otherwise, maybe the fog affects the colouring of the scenery and landscape but the video didn't give me such an impression."

 

I'm not getting a satisfactory answer.

 

 

Okay, as we are obviously on a baiting trip.

 

I am so unhappy with the update that (as I am an admin.) I changed the IL2 Cliffs of Dover Facebook page profile picture to a screenshot of the latest update ?.

 

Noticing the bright Orange trees doesn't mean they don't exist on the England landscape, it means...it's a video about the landscape and I am noticing the bright Orange trees. My question was "could they be changed, toned down". I am sure as you say they exist on the English side of the channel but against the 4K textures of the landscape we are seeing in England look great, but those screens do not have Autumn colours in them. If they did, I would probably ask the same question. It's pretty rare in the UK to see bright Orange trees that haven't been photoshopped excessively and aren't sunlit:

 

 

My point being when I asked about them was, the Orange trees really stand out in the landscape. I can see the autumnal colours on the trees, maybe it's just that tree variant, but it really stands out in the landscape. Can Speedtree reduce the amount of them? Can different varieties be added:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, it's a question and observation about the landscape, it's my point of view and it is on topic.

 

"we are simply rolling back to new complaints and new debates, off-topic all of them".

 

I don't mind you being the self-appointed advisor of TFS, that's up to you, but simply making a random statement in an attempt to raise a legitimate question but you even agreed with me:

"On the pilots and aircrew members: yes, now this has become an old problem in IL2CoD. Those guys are really an old problematic creation of Maddox Games, no even moving realistically. I trust Team Fusion Simulations will sooner or later improve them. You say "I heard the crews were going to be remodelled or improved/updated" and I perfectly remember that as well, that was a Buzzsaw statement, but cannot find it in the forums now."

 

The entire video is filmed with a crew member in full view. This is a video about WiP and while it says it is about the landscape textures.....they are seen through the cockpit of an aircraft which is part of the current graphics in use.

 

Why is it not acceptable to ask a  question about the crew, textures, animation, model when we see it throughout the entire video? 

 

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The landscape looks great, I don't like the Orange trees, maybe it could have been filmed in 'Wonder Woman' view and then I wouldn't have had the temerity to ask about the crew models.

 

Sometimes Kintaro, being a self appointed defender of TFS, doesn't mean you have the right to tread over anyone asking questions. Should people asking questions be a real concern for you, why don't you just PM Buzzsaw and ask him to have any update thread locked immediately so the community can't speak out or raise any points.

 

It does get tiresome asking /making suggestions on a forum where TFS post an update and rather than others just make their own opinions known, suddenly it's about someone else daring to ask a question or have a point of view?

 

It just feels like anyone daring to share an opinion has to be vilified publicly, if it doesn't conform to your point of view. Almost getting to a point where it feels personal and targeted.

 

Not impressed.

 

 

 

 

[Missionbug]

The general landscape overall is certainly improved with the new trees and hedge rows, however, I have to agree with Mysticpuma on the colouring of the autumn trees, they hurt my eyes, far to intense in their redness.

 

This has been a issue with all the titles such as Cliffs of Dover, Rise of Flight and equally for the Great Battles series, not just in the now updated Blitz/Tobruk, yes in reality the Autumn landscape is vivid and beautiful but most texturing for our flight sims is too intense visually for me at least and Autumn trees would benefit especially being less red shall we say, toned down, maybe more brown.

 

I have always found the French country side a little too bright in its colouring also, again, maybe my perception and it could be when I have seen things from the air or ground atmospheric activity comes into play but it looks different to me in reality when I have viewed it compared to in sims.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Missionbug

[343KKT_Kintaro]

I have nothing against you Mysticpuma, nor against anybody else here in these forums. I saw the upvote you put on Puma's comment philiped, and it's ok, no problem. We have different views on these matters and it's ok as it is. You may feel I'm being contemptuous on you guys... but it is not the case. You may think a make snide remarks but I don't make them. Dagwoodyt's shitty remark on me about being a self-appointed defense attorney, that was a snide remark... and I'm not ashamed of the way I reacted to his agresion. Other than that, I'm still ready to be good friends with both of you as I much appreciate your input here. Simply because one not aggreeing with somebody else doesn't mean one develops a contemptuous attitude. That was a statement of clarification on my good will and, I'm sure, the possibility of a calm debate.

 

"we are simply rolling back to new complaints and new debates, off-topic all of them"

 

The above statement of mine was in connection with the aircrew personnel only. You say it is on topic, Puma, and I say the contrary. One guy is visible in the video and he behaves as we know: unrealistically. It's so fake, I know. Furthermore, you agreed with me about the fact that Buzzsaw, in the past, had already said something on the aircrew members in this game being remodelled. He said it is planned to remodel them but he also said that no date has been set yet. Has it been set in the meantime? No. So who's tiresome? Me? Really? TFS top management is no longer responding to the endless remarks on the old state of 3D development in the aircrew guys. I accept what you say Puma, I'm some kind of a tiresome guy. Ok. Now, please, accept that it is also tiresome that I so often find this kind of remark on the aircrew in unrelated topics. Especially because we already know that TFS is not about to treat the matter before other points are treated (4k, VR, TrueSky, visibility distance, new DLC). Even more: there is no reason to believe that 3D personnel will be addressed immediately after these issues I noted betseen brackets are settled. TFS has been clear on what they are doing and on what are their specific priorities. Permanently reminding them other points they are not about to treat, is a waist of time and energy. I'm happy with you having your opinion, Puma. Let's see if you are happy with me having mine.

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

This is what can happen when vids are dropped and left unattended  ?

Edited March 6, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[Mysticpuma]

8 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

I have nothing against you Mysticpuma, nor against anybody else here in these forums. 

 

I think it's fair to say that as I have followed CloD and posted videos from even when Oleg and Ilya attended a flight sim show in Birmingham, UK, (around 2008?) just to showcase the earliest snippets of news for the community, that CloD has been a long term passion of mine.

Obviously having being in and out of TFS, I have experienced the good and bad sides of the development process but I still have dreams that CloD can renew it's interest. 

 

The figures don't lie, the player base is tragic in numbers but with new weather, new landscape and VR there is a hope that players will come back, maybe in their hundreds. 

 

A small example, this is the new weather in BoX

 

There was barely any news about this and one of the guys modding got contacted by the team and he helped develop the new weather systems. 

So TFS has Truesky coming... imagine TFS sharing an image of a few weather systems like this..... "this is what Truesky can do". We spend 80% of our time in the skies... the landscape is nice, it is great in fact.... but why is Truesky causing TFS so much pain? 

As I understand it, it won't come out until after VR and that's a while off yet. 

 

The thing is, Truesky has been touted 'literally' for years and only recently we have been getting some static screenshots but no video.... after years of development. 

 

Now, the France landscape video does showcase low level mist/fog and this is part of Truesky. I mention it on the CloD Facebook page. It's great to see, but I then discuss the crew model because it was part of TFS discussions with the players. I have now seen some of Truesky in action, I shouldn't be expected to just say "that's great, I am done". It doesn't work like that. I have enthusiasm for the product, I want to stay excited and asking questions, showing enthusiasm is a way of saying "I want your product, tell me about your product", but it just seems that those of us who have been here all along, through the many ups and downs, get vilified for daring to ask "how is it going!?" 

 

The issue being any sign of enthusiasm is often just skewed to be an attack on TFS but it is more frustration at being enthusiastic and getting berated for it. 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Mysticpuma

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Fair enough, Puma, fair enough. I accept what you say. So that's your emotional involvement in this game, and I feel much respect for that. My story is shorter in spite of starting more or less in the the same years. You see, I'm in the IL-2 community since 2005 and entered in the 343 kokutai virtual squadron (now defunct) in 2006. In 2011 I was one of those who preordered the collector's edition boxed set of Cliffs of Dover (which I still own) and I was too one of those who were disappointed because of the number of encountered issues. I stayed in the game for one or two years, though not very often I must say. For years I played the game here and there and didn't seriously came back to it until 2019 when I decided to give a chance to the Blitz edition. So let's put it that way: year after year you brought evidence of your patience (now gone) and now... it's my turn to take over for you! (LoL).

 

Jokes aside, Puma, there's one undeniable fact: TFS is not responding in a systematic way to every single querie or complaint in these forums. Is this a good policy? No idea mate. Maybe there's a good reason for that, who knows. By the way, Puma, I love the weather engine in Great Battles and I hope the upcoming weather engine in Cliffs of Dover (TrueSky) will be at least as good as the one in Great Battles... if not better. Fingers crossed.

 

Other than that... am I the only one here who sees distinct clouds in the above video posted by Pattle? We don't see those clouds from above (out of the "soup", as stated by Dagwoodyt), but they are visible nevertheless. Between 6' and 11' there are clouds visible. And the sun is visible as well. My guessing is that the sun, as we see it in this video, is part of the TrueSky software... but I could be wrong obviously.

 

[Dagwoodyt]

CloD has never been a "religious" experience for me. What I do not understand is why it is gainful to drop vids and then leave without engaging with customers.

[Cybermat47]

5 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

The issue being any sign of enthusiasm is often just skewed to be an attack on TFS but it is more frustration at being enthusiastic and getting berated for it. 

 

Don't worry, we know that your feedback comes from a place of enthusiasm, not hate 

[Mysticpuma]

Moved this post about desert textures to where the new Desert texture video has been posted. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by Mysticpuma