Devs: Why No Stuka B series?

[Cognac]

Any plans to release a Ju-87 B (or R) variant? I'm quite certain these were in still part of the Luftwaffe Order of Battle in significant numbers during the Battle of Moscow.

[Lusekofte]

44 minutes ago, Algernop_Krieger said:

Any plans to release a Ju-87 B (or R) variant? I'm quite certain these were in still part of the Luftwaffe Order of Battle in significant numbers during the Battle of Moscow.

The JU 87R based on B was lasting most part of the entire war.

I believe we got D because this started with Stalingrad. B is not a priority.

I hope it some day will be, because to me Stuka is B , D is too modern for me

[Dutchvdm]

1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

The JU 87R based on B was lasting most part of the entire war.

I believe we got D because this started with Stalingrad. B is not a priority.

I hope it some day will be, because to me Stuka is B , D is too modern for me

The R and to an lesser extent the B variant were still used during the battle of Stalingrad. The D model Was indeed the more prominent version during that time. Although i would like to see it, it can be said for countles other planes. It must be a balancing act for the team. And not an easy one.

[Jason_Williams]

We haven't built a scenario that truly warrants it being built yet, but I hope to someday. Same with the D-5. Just not enough people or time to do all the planes.

 

Jason

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, Jason_Williams said:

We haven't built a scenario that truly warrants it being built yet, but I hope to someday

What about during the Battle of Moscow, did the Ju-87B-2 see only limited action there compared to the other BoM aircraft?

[Avimimus]

58 minutes ago, Enceladus said:

What about during the Battle of Moscow, did the Ju-87B-2 see only limited action there compared to the other BoM aircraft?

 

If I recall correctly the Battle of Moscow saw the Ju-87B (although only II.SrG1 and III./SrG2 according to Sevenless). I think the long-range Ju-87R was maybe still being used in Kuban (in spite of being retired elsewhere)?

 

But the basic point - a pre-1942 module would likely be needed to justify it. So, maybe Leningrad - but otherwise we're likely waiting until they revisit Battle of France, Battle of Britain, or the Mediterranean (if they ever do).

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, Enceladus said:

What about during the Battle of Moscow, did the Ju-87B-2 see only limited action there compared to the other BoM aircraft?

 

I think what that means that they haven't had cause to in their recent development cycles (Kuban, Bodenplatte, Normandy). When Moscow was worked on we had the Ju87D-3 for Battle of Stalingrad (which made sense for that battle) and 10 aircraft to choose from. They went with the Bf110E-2 in the "attacker slot" rather than doing another Stuka. Again, made sense at the time when the series had just 20 aircraft total.

[Blitzen]

Good news ( I think ) from Jason. While waiting you might try the "Berta" over in CloD - its a perfectly serviceable Ju-87B and they are working on making it and others usable with VR...

 

[Jason_Williams]

Hide the swastikas guys.

 

Jason

[Blitzen]

Sorry Jason My error-it won't happen again...say how do you make "hidden image" option work?

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

Sorry Jason My error-it won't happen again...say how do you make "hidden image" option work?

 

I believe that marking it as a 'spoiler' isn't sufficient. There can't be Swastikas/Hakenkreuz on the forum (as legislated by several European countries).

[Blitzen]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

I believe that marking it as a 'spoiler' isn't sufficient. There can't be Swastikas/Hakenkreuz on the forum (as legislated by several European countries).

I've got no problem either way- its just I have seen the grey spoiler bar (INDICTING HIDDEN SUBJECT OR WHATEVER,)used in the past to hide objectionable images- I've never understood how to use it when necessary.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Blitzen

[Gambit21]

Don't lament the aircraft that you're still waiting for.

The reason is that the standard increases with each release, even Kuban aircraft were quite noticeably better than Moscow.

I'm talking polycount, and recently with texturing as well. This will only continue. Look how nice that P-51B is.

 

So that Stuka B, the D-5, or that Yak 3, or that other P-40 variant or whatever (not to mention the aircraft we already know are coming, Mossie etc) ...will only be that much better now that you waited for it.

 

This is why I'm almost glad PTO hasn't happened yet. When it does, the aircraft are going to be much better for the wait. 

 

[PatrickAWlson]

16 hours ago, Blitzen said:

I've got no problem either way- its just I have seen the grey spoiler bar (INDICTING HIDDEN SUBJECT OR WHATEVER,)used in the past to hide objectionable images- I've never understood how to use it when necessary.

 

I usually just erase it with a paint program (I use Gimp) before I post it.

[Blitzen]

3 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

I usually just erase it with a paint program (I use Gimp) before I post it.

Yes I should have done that in the first place ...or...just find a screenie of the unlovely "Berta"without the offending symbol:

15 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Don't lament the aircraft that you're still waiting for.

The reason is that the standard increases with each release, even Kuban aircraft were quite noticeably better than Moscow.

I'm talking polycount, and recently with texturing as well. This will only continue. Look how nice that P-51B is.

 

So that Stuka B, the D-5, or that Yak 3, or that other P-40 variant or whatever (not to mention the aircraft we already know are coming, Mossie etc) ...will only be that much better now that you waited for it.

 

This is why I'm almost glad PTO hasn't happened yet. When it does, the aircraft are going to be much better for the wait. 

 

Getting the carriers right might be a much bigger problem than the new aircraft...but I do hope your dream comes true & that I won't be too old to enjoy it..I sure did in the original Il-2 some years ago.

[PatrickAWlson]

@Blitzen To me the Stuka B's look definitely matches it's purpose.  Not a pretty plane by any means, but very distinctive and interesting.  I think the sleeker D has the look of a scarred medieval mercenary wearing lipstick.  It's supposed to be prettier, but it just doesn't work.

[Blitzen]

3 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

@Blitzen To me the Stuka B's look definitely matches it's purpose.  Not a pretty plane by any means, but very distinctive and interesting.  I think the sleeker D has the look of a scarred medieval mercenary wearing lipstick.  It's supposed to be prettier, but it just doesn't work.

I to have a soft spot in my heart ( or is it my head for the Ju-87 ever since I built the Lindberg kit quite a few years ago...

[MisterSmith]

Blitz,

 

I took the offending image out and re-opened your post for continuity.

 

Smith

[Blitzen]

28 minutes ago, MisterSmith said:

Blitz,

 

I took the offending image out and re-opened your post for continuity.

 

Smith

That cockpit view is pretty cool.It was posted over at Clod BEFORE the original ( bugged) version was premiered.I really looked forward to it & CloD. Having said that I think the FM in the two sims differs quite a bit( as well as target behavior ,) and I just might prefer the "Dora" here at GB's.

On 2/12/2022 at 3:40 PM, Avimimus said:

 

If I recall correctly the Battle of Moscow saw the Ju-87B (although only II.SrG1 and III./SrG2 according to Sevenless). I think the long-range Ju-87R was maybe still being used in Kuban (in spite of being retired elsewhere)?

 

But the basic point - a pre-1942 module would likely be needed to justify it. So, maybe Leningrad - but otherwise we're likely waiting until they revisit Battle of France, Battle of Britain, or the Mediterranean (if they ever do).

Seems to me Greece & the Med ( with a few more British warships ) would be the easiest theater to go to next? You could even use the Kuba map right now, as a stand-in .In CloD they do have a Malta campaign using a modified version of their English Channel map. It is now several years old but with the additions in Desert Wings  it could be even better because of the new warships available with DWToruk.

[Avimimus]

Here is a question for the Stuka experts:

 

The SC50/SD70 racks - were they ever used without the centre bomber rack?

 

Also, does anyone know the rationale for dropping the smaller bombers on the same target as the larger bomb?