Flying Circus Future

[LukeFF]

12 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

They might do a Channel Map or a Galicia Map to keep us entertained while development on IL-2 Korea progresses at a slow and steady pace in the background.

 

There are no plans for that.

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

There are no plans for that.

Thank you for your insight.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

There are no plans for that.

Any plan publish FC4 next week? 😜😎

[LukeFF]

13 minutes ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

Any plan publish FC4 next week? 😜😎

 

No, I don't expect it til October. We are getting there, for sure, but some things still need to be finalized before we push it live.

[Aapje]

7 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

No, I don't expect it til October. We are getting there, for sure, but some things still need to be finalized before we push it live.

 

It is October next week

[BMA_FlyingShark]

4 minutes ago, Aapje said:

 

It is October next week

Yeah but the next 3 weeks after are all still October as well.

So, fingers crossed to get it by the end of next month 🙂 .

 

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Trooper117]

1 minute ago, FlyingShark said:

Yeah but the next 3 weeks after are all still October as well.

 

 

You little ray of sunshine you!

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

30 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

No, I don't expect it til October. We are getting there, for sure, but some things still need to be finalized before we push it live.

Anxious to get it, but glad extensive testing is being conducted..

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

 

It is October next week

 

And for four weeks after that. 😛

1 hour ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Anxious to get it, but glad extensive testing is being conducted..

 

Yes, we're trying to get everything as right as we can with the time that we have remaining. Everything that is posted here in terms of bug reports, suspicions about something being wrong, etc., I pass along to the QA people for review.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

And for four weeks after that. 😛

 

Yes, we're trying to get everything as right as we can with the time that we have remaining. Everything that is posted here in terms of bug reports, suspicions about something being wrong, etc., I pass along to the QA people for review.

At the moment I'm suffering from a slipped disc that is so painful that I can't even sit in the cockpit. To be honest, any delay is welcome right now to prevent I set some wrong priorities 😬

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

1 hour ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

At the moment I'm suffering from a slipped disc that is so painful that I can't even sit in the cockpit. To be honest, any delay is welcome right now to prevent I set some wrong priorities 😬

Good luck with the back.   (and the priorities)...

[BMA_Hellbender]

18 hours ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

At the moment I'm suffering from a slipped disc that is so painful that I can't even sit in the cockpit. To be honest, any delay is welcome right now to prevent I set some wrong priorities 😬

Had the same thing last year, discectomy surgery fixed me right up.

[SYN_Mike77]

22 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

No, I don't expect it til October. We are getting there, for sure, but some things still need to be finalized before we push it live.

Volume IV?  I thought it was three that is in testing.

[Jackfraser24]

On 9/27/2024 at 5:08 AM, LukeFF said:

 

There are no plans for that.

I suppose that the dev team’s plans are to finish development on Great Battles with the release of Odessa, Karelia and Flying Circus Vol. IV while gradually diverting their manpower to work on IL-2 Korea. Would I be right in saying that? Or do they want to devote a fraction of their team to working on collector maps? Or are there still no plans for collector maps at this stage, or not ever? I’m just speaking on the behalf of those who want to know (including myself I must confess) even if it is just a vague idea of what the future will look like for IL-2.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, SYN_Mike77 said:

Volume IV?  I thought it was three that is in testing.

 

No, it's volume 4. 

[J99_Sizzlorr]

 

On 9/27/2024 at 12:23 AM, LukeFF said:

... Everything that is posted here in terms of bug reports, suspicions about something being wrong, etc., I pass along to the QA people for review.

- Camel AI likes to damage it's engine when taking off from an airfield. Very noticable when a big formation takes off
- Flak guns and MGs will not get their crews back after full repair
- Trigger Date Time MCU ignores the year values in the option date mark
- Buildings that are linked entities will not show up in the mission when they are placed too close to cities or villages
- Balloon cables are not visible for the clients on a dedicated Multiplayer server A collision is possible though. This happens only for server clients. The host can not replicate     it.

- Winch cars sometimes flip through the air during the winching down process in multiplayer when units close to it get attacked by a server client. Only happens with server       clients though. The host can not replicate it. 
- Some vital road connections are missing in the St.Mihiel area

[Enceladus828]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:24 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

I really hope that there is a Flying Circus Vol.V. They might do a Channel Map or a Galicia Map to keep us entertained while development on IL-2 Korea progresses at a slow and steady pace in the background.

A recent comment by Kanttori is that work on the Karelia map will continue until 2026 -- at that point will cover Leningrad, Estonia, Lake Ladoga, etc. -- so during that time the devs will have to check the map, create the pilot career and add more squadrons to the upcoming sections of the map that is released, etc. 

 

The red box in the upper right displays how much of the RoF Channel Map is already in the BoN map. If 2026 is when the Karelia map will be fully released, and quite likely the last major work for the GB series, then during that time of 1.5-2 years from now that part of the BoN map can be retextured and airfields changed to how they were in 1918, and the rest of the Channel Map and the 3 seaplanes added.

[Jackfraser24]

43 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

A recent comment by Kanttori is that work on the Karelia map will continue until 2026 -- at that point will cover Leningrad, Estonia, Lake Ladoga, etc. -- so during that time the devs will have to check the map, create the pilot career and add more squadrons to the upcoming sections of the map that is released, etc. 

 

The red box in the upper right displays how much of the RoF Channel Map is already in the BoN map. If 2026 is when the Karelia map will be fully released, and quite likely the last major work for the GB series, then during that time of 1.5-2 years from now that part of the BoN map can be retextured and airfields changed to how they were in 1918, and the rest of the Channel Map and the 3 seaplanes added.

I hope someone does do the Channel and Galicia maps one day. I don't think that it is going to be the IL-2 dev team because I think they want to move on from Great Battles and work on Korea, but I think that third party developers will do it instead.  

[LukeFF]

13 hours ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

- Camel AI likes to damage it's engine when taking off from an airfield. Very noticable when a big formation takes off
- Flak guns and MGs will not get their crews back after full repair
- Trigger Date Time MCU ignores the year values in the option date mark
- Buildings that are linked entities will not show up in the mission when they are placed too close to cities or villages
- Balloon cables are not visible for the clients on a dedicated Multiplayer server A collision is possible though. This happens only for server clients. The host can not replicate     it.

- Winch cars sometimes flip through the air during the winching down process in multiplayer when units close to it get attacked by a server client. Only happens with server       clients though. The host can not replicate it. 
- Some vital road connections are missing in the St.Mihiel area

 

As always, if you have track files I can share with the team, please do so.

 

3 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

The red box in the upper right displays how much of the RoF Channel Map is already in the BoN map. If 2026 is when the Karelia map will be fully released, and quite likely the last major work for the GB series, then during that time of 1.5-2 years from now that part of the BoN map can be retextured and airfields changed to how they were in 1918, and the rest of the Channel Map and the 3 seaplanes added.

 

I'm sorry, but that's just nowhere in the plans and likely never will be. Retexturing the whole Normandy map and reconfiguring it to how it looked in 1918, when just a small portion of it would be relevant to WWI, just doesn't make any sense. Our map team is fully engaged in getting the Korea map right and once that is complete will be starting on the first Pacific map.

[Enceladus828]

58 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

I'm sorry, but that's just nowhere in the plans and likely never will be. Retexturing the whole Normandy map and reconfiguring it to how it looked in 1918, when just a small portion of it would be relevant to WWI, just doesn't make any sense.

I was not suggesting that the entire BoN map be retextured and configured to how it was in WW1, completely illogical. What I was getting at was that a portion of the Channel Map already exists in BoN so things like the White Cliffs of Dover and cliffs of Cap Blanc-Nez would still be the same.

 

But anyway, is anything for FC planned after FC4 is released? BE2, Albatross C.1, Rumpler C.IV??

[J99_Sizzlorr]

13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

As always, if you have track files I can share with the team, please do so.

 

 

I'm sorry, but that's just nowhere in the plans and likely never will be. Retexturing the whole Normandy map and reconfiguring it to how it looked in 1918, when just a small portion of it would be relevant to WWI, just doesn't make any sense. Our map team is fully engaged in getting the Korea map right and once that is complete will be starting on the first Pacific map.

 

P.M.

 

For the following bug 

Quote

- Balloon cables are not visible for the clients on a dedicated Multiplayer server A collision is possible though. This happens only for server clients. The host can not replicate it.

 I can not provide a track because the balloon cable is visible in the track but not for the client ingame. To reproduce this join a dedicated online multiplayer server, fly to the next balloon and try to spot the cable.

For all other bugs I have send you a link where you can download the tracks.

 

Edited September 29, 2024 by J99_Sizzlorr

[LukeFF]

18 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

But anyway, is anything for FC planned after FC4 is released? BE2, Albatross C.1, Rumpler C.IV??

 

Not right now. 

 

9 hours ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

P.M.

 

For the following bug 

 I can not provide a track because the balloon cable is visible in the track but not for the client ingame. To reproduce this join a dedicated online multiplayer server, fly to the next balloon and try to spot the cable.

For all other bugs I have send you a link where you can download the tracks.

 

Okay, I'll have a look when I can. 

[Avimimus]

15 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Not right now. 

 

 

Won't stop me from theory crafting though

[Artfactial]

On 9/26/2024 at 10:37 PM, LukeFF said:

 

No, I don't expect it til October. We are getting there, for sure, but some things still need to be finalized before we push it live.

Aw, I really need to reign in my excitement and check for new so often.
Looking forward to it a lot!^^

[Trooper117]

Right, it's October tomorrow, so let the excitement ramp up!  

[Jackfraser24]

47 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Right, it's October tomorrow, so let the excitement ramp up!  

I don't think that it will be until the final week of October though. That's how it usually goes, right?

8 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Won't stop me from theory crafting though

Me too! Hopefully some third party developers can make a Channel map and Galicia Map as well. Bring on Volume V!

Edited September 30, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[JG4_Moltke1871]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

Right, it's October tomorrow, so let the excitement ramp up!  

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

38 minutes ago, Dr1falcon500 said:

Another case of Flying Circus being pushed way back to the of the line to prioritise other projects. This has been happening from the start of FC.

As much as I am very excited for the release of FC 4, I understand that the next update will include many things beyond just FC4 aircraft.  It is my understanding that they are also performing a complex review and potential adjusts of several previously released aircraft, and I think map improvements?   If the above is true, then I'm actually glad they are taking thier time and testing everything thoroughly.   No mistake.  I'm very anxious for the update,  but...  understanding the effort involved,  I'm certainly hoping they spend the time and resources to publish something great.

[Jackfraser24]

7 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

As much as I am very excited for the release of FC 4, I understand that the next update will include many things beyond just FC4 aircraft.  It is my understanding that they are also performing a complex review and potential adjusts of several previously released aircraft, and I think map improvements?   If the above is true, then I'm actually glad they are taking thier time and testing everything thoroughly.   No mistake.  I'm very anxious for the update,  but...  understanding the effort involved,  I'm certainly hoping they spend the time and resources to publish something great.

From my understanding from my time on the forum I don't think that a Flying Circus Vol. V is going to come to Great Battles, which, while yes it is a little disappointing, I am glad that they are working on something new and keeping up with the times. Who knows, they might do a Flying Circus 2.0 (which I'll refer to the hypothetical sub-series for now) in the future which would include maps like the Western Front, Galicia, Italy and Macedonia as well.

[Zooropa_Fly]

6 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I don't think that a Flying Circus Vol. V is going to come to Great Battles, which, while yes it is a little disappointing,

 

 

FC 1, 2 and 3 are available though.

 

Just sayin'.

[BMA_Hellbender]

14 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

From my understanding from my time on the forum I don't think that a Flying Circus Vol. V is going to come to Great Battles, which, while yes it is a little disappointing, I am glad that they are working on something new and keeping up with the times. Who knows, they might do a Flying Circus 2.0 (which I'll refer to the hypothetical sub-series for now) in the future which would include maps like the Western Front, Galicia, Italy and Macedonia as well.

If they really wanted to, they could still add the seaplanes, the Channel (or just the Belgian front) and the Russian front Sikorskies and Russian N17.

 

To be fair, while I love the Felixstowe, it’s such a niche plane that mostly leads to strange shenanigans in multiplayer (we called it the unsinkable pirate ship for a reason), and while the Belgian front leading up to the sea North of Ypres would be great, nothing of great value is lost not having it. It’s mostly flooded fields as the Belgian flooded the Yser river plain back in 1914 and left it like that till the closing stages of the war.

 

Russian front would be interesting, I guess.

[Jackfraser24]

12 hours ago, =IRFC=Hellbent said:

If they really wanted to, they could still add the seaplanes, the Channel (or just the Belgian front) and the Russian front Sikorskies and Russian N17.

 

To be fair, while I love the Felixstowe, it’s such a niche plane that mostly leads to strange shenanigans in multiplayer (we called it the unsinkable pirate ship for a reason), and while the Belgian front leading up to the sea North of Ypres would be great, nothing of great value is lost not having it. It’s mostly flooded fields as the Belgian flooded the Yser river plain back in 1914 and left it like that till the closing stages of the war.

 

Russian front would be interesting, I guess.

I think it’s up to third party developer teams now to whether or not they want to make a Galicia map, Channel map and an Italian map. I think that the IL-2 dev team would be more than happy to make the aircraft for it though. I’d love to see the Russian versions of the French Niuports, as well as the Sikorsky S.16, Sikorsky Ilya Muromets, and Italian planes like the Ansaldo A.1 Balila.

Edited October 4, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I think it’s up to third party developer teams now to whether or not they want to make a Galicia map, Channel map and an Italian map. I think that the IL-2 dev team would be more than happy to make the aircraft for it though. I’d love to see the Russian versions of the French Niuports, as well as the Sikorsky S.16, Sikorsky Ilya Muromets, and Italian planes like the Ansaldo A.1 Balila.

Ugra Media is that 3rd party developer. Honestly, the Karelia map will be worked on till 2026 so during that time Ugra can add the Channel Map and 3 seaplanes unless they are taking up other tasks and won’t have the time.

 

But if FC4 work is to be the last major work on FC and there won’t be a WW1 continuation/successor then RoF should be opened up to modders to add more content like an Eastern Front pilot career, fixes, and possibly new planes and maps. Doesn’t matter if that will result in competition, if the devs are going to axe all major WW1 development with FC4 then this competition is justified because WW1 was far from just the Second Franco-Prussian War… that is almost always depicted.

Edited October 4, 2024 by Enceladus828

[BraveSirRobin]

On 10/3/2024 at 7:57 AM, =IRFC=Hellbent said:

Russian front would be interesting, I guess.

Only for about 10 people.  Which would make it a very expensive map.

[BMA_Hellbender]

3 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

But if FC4 work is to be the last major work on FC and there won’t be a WW1 continuation/successor then RoF should be opened up to modders

The chance of opening up the entire game to modders is close to if not exactly zero, even a dedicated mod team under supervision by the devs. You basically need to give access to the source code, which isn’t going to happen. The same was true with RoF.

 

In my opinion, RoF/FC likely ends with FC4, unless they decide to add some collector planes at a later date. There’s certainly a demand for more early and late war two-seaters.

 

In any case 15 years is a good run. If they leave it in a decent state and maintain it somewhat we could potentially get another 10 years out of it. By then we might see another WWI flightsim from either the same or a different developer.

[Jackfraser24]

3 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Ugra Media is that 3rd party developer. Honestly, the Karelia map will be worked on till 2026 so during that time Ugra can add the Channel Map and 3 seaplanes unless they are taking up other tasks and won’t have the time.

 

But if FC4 work is to be the last major work on FC and there won’t be a WW1 continuation/successor then RoF should be opened up to modders to add more content like an Eastern Front pilot career, fixes, and possibly new planes and maps. Doesn’t matter if that will result in competition, if the devs are going to axe all major WW1 development with FC4 then this competition is justified because WW1 was far from just the Second Franco-Prussian War… that is almost always depicted.

Thanks.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

@LukeFF

New patch will adres issue with fuel tanks do not blow up and burns forever?

 

[LukeFF]

8 hours ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

@LukeFF

New patch will adres issue with fuel tanks do not blow up and burns forever?

 

I'm not aware of any changes being made to that right now.

[Trooper117]

9 hours ago, =IRFC=Hellbent said:

In my opinion, RoF/FC likely ends with FC4, unless they decide to add some collector planes at a later date.

 

Spot on!

[Jackfraser24]

11 hours ago, =IRFC=Hellbent said:

The chance of opening up the entire game to modders is close to if not exactly zero, even a dedicated mod team under supervision by the devs. You basically need to give access to the source code, which isn’t going to happen. The same was true with RoF.

 

In my opinion, RoF/FC likely ends with FC4, unless they decide to add some collector planes at a later date. There’s certainly a demand for more early and late war two-seaters.

 

In any case 15 years is a good run. If they leave it in a decent state and maintain it somewhat we could potentially get another 10 years out of it. By then we might see another WWI flightsim from either the same or a different developer.

Well said, old sport.