is there an EXTERNAL motor/engine sound update planned for our warbirds?

[Guest deleted@134347]

I love the game, flying in VR, the immersion is awesome, and so on, praise the DEVS!

 

However, the external motor/engine sound needs an update in my opinion. Not for all of them, but at least for:

- all Yaks

- Stuka

- LAGG

- pretty much all of the older ac's..  except for Mig3, I think this one is OK for now.

- i16 having the same engine sound as the fw190 Antons, which confuses me quite a lot during the impromptu dog fights (in Berloga ? )

 

Everyone has their favorite and a least favorite plane in the game. The personal preferences are based on the ac's performance in dogfight, survivability, etc. So I started  analyzing why I can't stand flying either version of Yaks regardless of its performance and what occurred to me is that I just can't stand that high-pitch lawn mower sound they all have, which is beyond unrealistic.

 

I realize the lack of the airworthy warbirds is making it difficult to recreate the sound, however I think there's plenty of room for the creative freedom in this department. For example the below clip is for Yak-3 with the v12 engine. Understandably the engines are different, but overall the in-game external engine sounds of older birds simply do not convey the feeling of raw unadulterated power in fly-by's.

 

I'm probably wrong in a lot of points I raised, but I keep chasing that elusive zest in ww2 sims.

 

Here's a Yak3 with a bunch of fly-by's. It's throaty, bassy, nasty. Power. Rah rah raaah!

 

 

 

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

A Yak 3 with an Allison engine.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Thanks for the video of what a P40 should sound like.

 

[Avimimus]

Well that video is just unfair! I'm now left with a desire for a Yak-3 and another (earlier preferably) P-40 variant or a Mustang Mk.I! 

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

If you guys wanna hear a true M-105P, theres a video on yt, of the restored engine of a Yak 1 which crashed in a lake in Northern Russia in 43. This Yak 1 has been mostly restored and is nearing its completion, looking for a buyer, around 3 000 000$ if memory serves. But there has been no update for several years unfortunately.

 

Its a pity that no airworthy russian ww2 aircraft still has a russian engine powering it. 

[Guest deleted@134347]

maybe it's just lack of bass frequencies in the current sound synth for Yak1?

 

I tried eq-ing it on my soundcard by boosting 80-140hz range and it came out sounding somewhat decent, but since it affects all other sounds in-game the overall result was pretty disturbing..

[Avimimus]

Interesting thought! Given all the different speaker set-ups... I can't help but wonder if having a special volume dial to shift the boost and the pitch of the low sounds (i.e. to amplify them and bring them within range of smaller desktop speakers some people use) might not help.

[=MiSFiT=07_PolarBear5475]

I agree, I think its important. I can always hear a plane trying to sneak up on me in multiplayer. but I would love to be able to tell which plane. Spitfires are easy as they have that high rpm roar. but most other planes sound too similar. Id love to be able to tell what kind of plane was attacking me just by its sound!!!

[Feathered_IV]

Pan around the P-39 in game...

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

Need update sounds, like a DCS sounds

[Voyager]

Something that may also be worth looking into is the sound difference between turbo-charged and non-turbo charged planes.

 

Apparently the P-38 and P-47 were relatively quiet, externally and in the cockpits, and it seems to be due to the exhaust gasses going through all the turbo charger energy extraction, rather than being blasted into the pilot like supercharged planes had. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

B17s are very quiet as well because of their turbos.

 

Now a B 25 on the other hand, will shatter your eardrums.

Edited February 2, 2022 by BlitzPig_EL

[DBFlyguy]

2 hours ago, Voyager said:

Something that may also be worth looking into is the sound difference between turbo-charged and non-turbo charged planes.

 

Apparently the P-38 and P-47 were relatively quiet, externally and in the cockpits, and it seems to be due to the exhaust gasses going through all the turbo charger energy extraction, rather than being blasted into the pilot like supercharged planes had. 

 

Here's some examples of internals on the P-47 and P-38.  Internally, I think they sound pretty good all things considered....

 

Or P-38:

 

Externally, I agree with the OP,  I'd definitely would love to see those engine sounds get a revamp across the board.  IMHO, several of the the USAAF and RAF (P-38, P-40, P-51, P-47, Spit IX, Spit V or Hurri II) aircraft don't sound anything like they should externally except for when they are idling:

 

 

P-51

P-40

 

P-38

 

Spit IX

 

Spit Vb

 

Hurricane II

 

 

The DB605 engines got a sound update a few years ago, hopefully some more updates for other engine sounds will eventually come...

Edited February 2, 2022 by DBFlyguy

[Voyager]

@DBFlyguy I'm not saying the sound spectrum are bad, but pay attention to the relative volumes in the videos. All sound recording have some degree of level shifting.

 

In the Wicked Wabbit videos you can actually hear some of what he's doing in the cockpit, but if you go to the P-51 or P-40 videos, you cannot. 

 

Kermit Weeks did a number of fly and talk videos, and you can get an idea of relative cockpit volumes from that as well. On his F4F, which has dual exhausts ejecting below the fuselage, he's able to narrate the plane live, but his P-51 videos, he had to re-record his dialog separately, because the engine noise flooded it out. 

[Youtch]

On 1/26/2022 at 8:21 PM, omicron_21 said:

maybe it's just lack of bass frequencies in the current sound synth

I thought that something was wrong with my sound settings regarding bass, maybe G2 is not that good with bass frequency, as i feel that generally speaking there is a lack of bass in all engines.

Edited February 3, 2022 by Youtch

[Guest deleted@134347]

7 hours ago, Youtch said:

I thought that something was wrong with my sound settings regarding bass, maybe G2 is not that good with bass frequency, as i feel that generally speaking their is a lack of bass in all engines.

 

E7, F4, and the Hurricane have a profound internal as well as the external low fq sound.  They are my favorite planes literally just because of the sound.. ?

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

On 2/2/2022 at 12:38 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

B17s are very quiet as well because of their turbos.

 

Now a B 25 on the other hand, will shatter your eardrums.

 

True, read many stories about the B-25 engines being absolutely deafening because of the exhaust directly directed at the crew eardrums. The P-38 is also quite silent, the only loud ww2 aircraft that has a turbo is the P-47 but that might only be the vids I've checked that made it sound louder than it actually is. 

[-332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138]

YES! P-40 sounds not right AT ALL. P-47 sounds ok but could sound much better, same for 190. To be quite honest about 90% of WW2 planes should sound better. 109 and Hurricane are probably the only planes that sound good/right.

 

Edited February 12, 2022 by -332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138

[messsucher]

109 sounds awesome.

[BCI-Nazgul]

What they really need to do is fix all the sound levels so that the in-cockpit volume of your own engine is overwelmingly loud.   I'm sick of other planes hearing me coming and dodging out of the way.   That is simply not realistic.   The only time you should be able to hear another plane while you're in the cockpit is when your engine is off or at idle.   If you listen to this video (posted above) 

  

you'll notice that you can barely hear the other P-47 at take off power even when the plane with the microphone in it is idling and the other plane probably only 40' away!   The current sound levels in IL2 are completely messed up and highly unrealistic.

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by BCI-Nazgul

[FTC_Zero]

Old planes need updated with newer engine sounds. e.g. FW190a6 and Bf109G6 late sound different than older releases with same engines.

[Bilbo_Baggins]

On 1/27/2022 at 4:21 AM, omicron_21 said:

maybe it's just lack of bass frequencies in the current sound synth for Yak1?

 

I tried eq-ing it on my soundcard by boosting 80-140hz range and it came out sounding somewhat decent, but since it affects all other sounds in-game the overall result was pretty disturbing..

 

I reckon they did a pretty good job with the Mikulin Mig-3/IL2 engine external sounds, but yeah I agree with you - the M-105PF motors (Pe2, Lagg3, Yaks) external sounds are all pretty abysmal in my opinion.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Bilbo_Baggins

[Guest deleted@219798]

Some of the plane sound fairly much the same. For example there is little difference between the external sound of FW190a and LA5 and FN. We should expect as far as possible accurate engine sounds. Not too much to ask.

[Bilbo_Baggins]

17 hours ago, kestrel444x500 said:

Some of the plane sound fairly much the same. For example there is little difference between the external sound of FW190a and LA5 and FN. We should expect as far as possible accurate engine sounds. Not too much to ask.

 

The radial motors aren't bad at all and I think devs have done a pretty good job on those, especially I-16 (I've seen an I-16 flying in New Zealand). In my opinion it's the V12 Klimov M-105 sounds in this game which are disappointing. The Mig-3/IL-2 V12s roar pretty good and I reckon the Yak/Pe2/LaGG should sound not dissimilar.

 

Having said that, sounds are quite a subjective topic and I'm just judging from all the airshows I've been to with these machines. The V12 engines all have that particular engine note. In England I've seen Hurricane Mk1 and Lancaster bombers flying right over my head at low altitude and also seen a Yak-9 in New Zealand - the sounds are all pretty much that same smooth V12 goodness.

Edited April 17, 2022 by Bilbo_Baggins

[Jade_Monkey]

+1 for better external sounds. Long overdue.

[von_Tom]

Thing is that the sounds are very much affected by the hardware and settings used. 
 

Using my Index, if I put the volume up and press the headphones towards my ears the sound gets way more real. Likewise if using my headphones - the fidelity is superb. 
 

But the trade off for that sound is the inability to hear anyone on Teamspeak. That and being able to hear other aircraft nearby, which does seem screwy. 
 

I wonder what it would sound like with a proper amp and speaker setup to do it justice. 
 

von Tom

[IckyATLAS]

I use Razer headphones made for PS. They are absolutely excellent.

You have to set the Sound settings to High quality sound.

Then the sound volume is set to 80%. This allow you to get a very good original sound level.

Conclusion our planes sounds are excellent, internally and externally.