When will it be announced?

[Avimimus]

1 minute ago, Jason_Williams said:

Guys,

 

Please stop. We're focused on finishing BON. Much left to complete. I will announce new expansion when I know exactly what we will do. There is a big internal process we go through to get to the point of announcement. I'm pretty sure I know what I want to do, but there is research that is needed for us to get there. If not that, then there are other alternatives. 

Jason

 

I think most of us understand that sir. But we do like to speculate... it brings us joy to theory-craft new modules...

 

Will it be two early jet age modules (1948-1955 Europe & Korea)? Will it be East 1945 or a Leningrad scenario which fills in gaps in the plane-set from 1941-1944? Will it be artillery spotters? Will it be a Battle of France or Battle of Britain? Will it be Italy 1944? Or New Guinea? It is fun to imagine more modules than will ever be realised... ? So, please, be tolerant and know that most of us are ultimately reasonable (even if the noisiest aren't always).

[Denum]

We are just having fun day dreaming. 

I hope it doesn't make anyone feel like they're not getting it done fast enough. 

I think all things considered everyone has done a great job.

[MasterBaiter]

Whatever it is, Im sure I will be having fun.

Keep it up guys.

[IckyATLAS]

22 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

I think most of us understand that sir. But we do like to speculate... it brings us joy to theory-craft new modules...

 

Will it be two early jet age modules (1948-1955 Europe & Korea)? Will it be East 1945 or a Leningrad scenario which fills in gaps in the plane-set from 1941-1944? Will it be artillery spotters? Will it be a Battle of France or Battle of Britain? Will it be Italy 1944? Or New Guinea? It is fun to imagine more modules than will ever be realised... ? So, please, be tolerant and know that most of us are ultimately reasonable (even if the noisiest aren't always).

I hope no jets (I mean other than V1 or the Schwalbe) otherwise for what concerns me I will skip that new battle. The various WWII battles and theaters of war are enough to go on for another 10 years at least.

[Avimimus]

6 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

I hope no jets (I mean other than V1 or the Schwalbe) otherwise for what concerns me I will skip that new battle. The various WWII battles and theaters of war are enough to go on for another 10 years at least.

 

I used to feel that way - especially with Korea - I wasn't as interested. But a 1950s (Korea era) European scenario would be more like a WWII scenario in a lot of ways. Plus one potentially gets a couple of day bombers with simple avionics (early Canberra, Il-28) and the armoured Vampire FB.5 & Venom FB.1 - plus Soviet fighters that weren't used in Korea (Mig-9 and Yak-15 if 1948 Berlin Crisis, the La-15 light fighter and Mig-17 if ~1952 Korean-era escalation). So it is a much more varied plane-set.

 

If they ever do a Korean scenario it'd make a lot of sense to do a contemporary European scenario as well.

[AndytotheD]

50 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Can anyone post the road map of what is left in BON?

I remember there was one with the order of the realases and dates.

What's left?

The Ju-88C, Me 410, Mosquito, and Ar 234 flyable planes. B-26 and V-1 AI vehicles as well. Add to that the map and assets and BON still has a little ways to go yet. I’m very thoroughly impressed with what’s been produced so far. 

[Ribbon]

PTO confirmed ?

Edited January 3, 2022 by =VARP=Ribbon

[Chief_Mouser]

2 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

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Everything we need in one map.

 

Almost. It needs to go a bit further East into Albania and Greece,

[Noisemaker]

39 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

Almost. It needs to go a bit further East into Albania and Greece,

That's for another BOx.  Have to keep it realistic in terms of map sizes.

@Jason_Williams
Allow us our fantasies.  Though most of us have never been touched by the scourge of war, we are all here because this game lets us role play a younger self, in a different time, our only connection, the oral stories of our family, or the books that were written by those that were there.

That said, the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in a campaign would be a flight sim coup of the highest order... 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

My bet is on a Battle of Berlin scenario. My hope is for a land-based+ carrier Pacific scenario (not Midway).

[CUJO_1970]

I'm much more concerned with filling gaps regarding plane sets and options than I am scenarios or campaigns. With that being said, it's hard to imagine any next scenario being something other than Berlin or similar...it allows further development of the most advanced single and twin engine aircraft of the war. Doesn't make sense to leave so many cool aircraft on the table.

 

There are a lot of aircraft for all nations that can still be added on the maps we already have once Normandy map is done...so that means there is tremendous potential for collector aircraft and vehicles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you don't like that, I'm pretty sure you can still go download Pacific Fighters on Steam ?

 

 

[sevenless]

5 hours ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Can anyone post the road map of what is left in BON?

I remember there was one with the order of the realases and dates.

What's left?

 

Here you go. As official as it gets:

 

As 2021 progresses you will see Normandy and Flying Circus content released in roughly this order. Hopefully, all fits within the twelve months of 2021, if not then first half of 2022.

 

Fokker D.VIII
Spad 7 150hp
Spitfire Mk.XIV
Fw-190 A-6
Nieuport 28.C1
Spad 7 180hp
GAZ-MM 72-K
Sd. Kfz. 10 + Flak38
Typhoon Mk.Ib
P-51B/C
Pfalz D.XII
Sopwith Triplane
Breguet 14.B2
DFW C.V.
Airco DH.4
Ju 88 C-6
Handley Page 0-400
Gotha G.V
B-26 (AI)
V-1 Cruise Missile
Ar-234
Mosquito FB Mk.VI
Me-410

 

Due to the nature of development, providing dates for these are not possible and this order may change just by happenstance and speed of the modelers. 

 

 

[Guster]

Anything involving a generous administration of dust filters would do just fine. After two years of elbow bumping and Zoom meetings I really feel like going somewhere exotic. Spare me the Private Joker quote - I know what you're thinking!

[ShamrockOneFive]

15 hours ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Can anyone post the road map of what is left in BON?

I remember there was one with the order of the realases and dates.

What's left?

 

Yes, I keep track of what's going on here: https://stormbirds.blog/product-roadmaps/il-2-great-battles-2022-roadmap/

[ghostly_doggo]

I would love a pacific theater. But I think berlin/late eastern front and an Italian theater are more reasonable first and are two theaters I'd expect before due to the amount of aircraft we have already that would fit into those conflicts. Even with that said i'll be happy with what ever course they decide to set. 

[cardboard_killer]

I can't wait to slag whatever it is they announce.

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

@Jason_Williams

 

Whatever you'll choose, it would be nice to reduce development time of next addon.

It was around 20 months if i remember well at the beginning for BoS and BoM.

Normandy will take something like 36 months probably partly due to Covid but just sayin'

[Dennis_Nedry]

When Jason made the post about Bearcat passing away he mentioned he loved the Tuskegee airmen.  Italy 43-44 would be a perfect tribute to that and something many of us want.

[kendo]

56 minutes ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

@Jason_Williams

 

Whatever you'll choose, it would be nice to reduce development time of next addon.

It was around 20 months if i remember well at the beginning for BoS and BoM.

Normandy will take something like 36 months probably partly due to Covid but just sayin'

 

Nice idea. But are you going to be happy with getting just 6 planes and no major new features?

 

I'm sure they didn't sit around one day and decide "Hey, wouldn't it be a whizz to take 50% longer than initially planned on this".

 

Just sayin' 

 

 

[Jade_Monkey]

1 hour ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

@Jason_Williams

 

Whatever you'll choose, it would be nice to reduce development time of next addon.

It was around 20 months if i remember well at the beginning for BoS and BoM.

Normandy will take something like 36 months probably partly due to Covid but just sayin'

 

 

So you want more and better but also faster. Let me guess: you also want it cheaper!

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

2 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

 

So you want more and better but also faster. Let me guess: you also want it cheaper!

No. I don't consider the game to be expensive at all.
I play in VR on a laptop. This hardware stuff cost a lost and the game price is nothing in comparison.

I just said that the game development has recently increase a bit too much and nothing else. Read me again

[PatrickAWlson]

55 minutes ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

No. I don't consider the game to be expensive at all.
I play in VR on a laptop. This hardware stuff cost a lost and the game price is nothing in comparison.

I just said that the game development has recently increase a bit too much and nothing else. Read me again

 

I disagree.

 

The planes, ground units and objects,  and many other elements are made available as they are completed.  In that regard they are continuously delivering.  I can fly the P-51B right now (except for the lunchtime meeting in 10 minutes that prevents me from doing so  ). Besides the planes there are numerous additions (clouds anyone?) that are also continuously delivered, all funded by sales of modules.  

 

They are doing 10 planes and the ones taking the longest are the ones that are unique.  You got the less interesting ones in a timely fashion.  If you want them "faster", how exactly are they supposed to do that?  

 

Then there is the map.  That seems to be the most significant time sink in these modules.  Again, how do you do a good map faster?

 

The three axis of the development triangle: Scope, Date, and Quality.

You have to be flexible on at least one of them.  You can have fewer planes, fewer ground objects to play with (Scope), or you could have less detailed planes and objects (Quality), or you can wait (Date).  This team bends on date and solves the scope aspect through continuous delivery.  Quality is never sacrificed (on purpose - bugs happen).  I think that is a good way to run a software development organization.

 

[Asgar]

Guys *cough cough* TC2 *cough cough* stop annoying Jason about a new expansion *cough cough* TC2 *cough cough* He will tell us *cough cough* TC2 *cough cough* when it's time to tell us! 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Asgar

[Jaegermeister]

I'm not sure why you guys have given up on the Pacific...

 

[Noisemaker]

1 minute ago, Jaegermeister said:

I'm not sure why you guys have given up on the Pacific...

 

There's subsims for that.

[PatrickAWlson]

We need an "Uninformed Speculation" forum to play in.  It will be understood the developers are not obliged to read it.

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

No. I don't consider the game to be expensive at all.
I play in VR on a laptop. This hardware stuff cost a lost and the game price is nothing in comparison.

I just said that the game development has recently increase a bit too much and nothing else. Read me again

 

A read you again - it just made it twice as obnoxious. ‘Just sayin’

 

Especially when ironically you have a clue as to why. 

 

 

[Avimimus]

14 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

We need an "Uninformed Speculation" forum to play in.  It will be understood the developers are not obliged to read it.

 

I generally assume that the developers aren't obliged to read anything (except perhaps for critical bugs that would remove existing functionality).

[PatrickAWlson]

35 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

I generally assume that the developers aren't obliged to read anything (except perhaps for critical bugs that would remove existing functionality).

 

Well, they could be actively discouraged from reading that one   

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

Speculation is fun, but i can see how it can be annoying to developers because no matter how much they give us and how good the product is, it will never be ABSOLUTELY perfect and pleasing to everyone. And that said, IL-2 is overall very good, complete, and the package really fits together into one complete sim world (unlike DCS and even il-2 1946 which suffers from very uneven quality).

 

That said, i think we will someday get what many of us want: a Pacific based sim, I'm just not sure the current engine is up to running entire fleets, tons of flak, lots of bombers and torpedo planes, etc., in addition to calculating flight and damage physics to a high level of fidelity where the ai uses the same fm as the player. Maybe if the engine can be updated to Vulkan/DX 12 to offload calculations onto many cpu cores it would be viable, but who knows. I'm really interested to see how much frontline activity Normandy can support.

[Trooper117]

Didn't you read the mans post?

The most important part was ''PLEASE STOP''.... Right, carry on!

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Well, they could be actively discouraged from reading that one   

 

I thought we were already good at that ?

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

9 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

We need an "Uninformed Speculation" forum to play in.  It will be understood the developers are not obliged to read it.

 

This!

[KodiakJac]

14 hours ago, Dennis_Nedry said:

When Jason made the post about Bearcat passing away he mentioned he loved the Tuskegee airmen.  Italy 43-44 would be a perfect tribute to that and something many of us want.

 

Or North Africa!

 

They have many aircraft models that are already finished, and close to those they would use in a North Africa module.  I already have Cliffs/Tobruk, but IL-2 Great Battles is light years ahead of the Cliffs of Dover technology.  I really want to see the IL-2 Great Battles team move to North Africa at some point in the future.  They would be able to do it so well!

[Gambit21]

With the superb P-51C that’s just been released, I think I’ll just look forward to the Mossie and the Normandy map for a bit. BoN deserves it’s moment.

 

 

[Feathered_IV]

On 1/4/2022 at 7:36 AM, Avimimus said:

 

I think most of us understand that sir. But we do like to speculate... it brings us joy to theory-craft new modules...

 

Will it be two early jet age modules (1948-1955 Europe & Korea)? Will it be East 1945 or a Leningrad scenario which fills in gaps in the plane-set from 1941-1944? Will it be artillery spotters? Will it be a Battle of France or Battle of Britain? Will it be Italy 1944? Or New Guinea? It is fun to imagine more modules than will ever be realised... ? So, please, be tolerant and know that most of us are ultimately reasonable (even if the noisiest aren't always).

 

Very well put!

 

On 1/4/2022 at 7:33 AM, Jason_Williams said:

Guys,

 

Please stop. We're focused on finishing BON. Much left to complete. I will announce new expansion when I know exactly what we will do. There is a big internal process we go through to get to the point of announcement. I'm pretty sure I know what I want to do, but there is research that is needed for us to get there. If not that, then there are other alternatives. 

Jason

 

I can totally understand.  Especially about the research.  Some of the names of those Maltese towns can be tricky.  What with their present names and their Arabic equivalents.  But never fear, I am here to help! 

 

[Asgar]

4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

With the superb P-51C that’s just been released, I think I’ll just look forward to the Mossie and the Normandy map for a bit. BoN deserves it’s moment.

 

 

I kinda want to start a discussion that’s it’s a B not a C model but I feel like no one would get that I’m just joking and then it’s not funny

[Guster]

We haven't behaved very welI.. Now I fear the devs might punish us by releasing Malta sans the airfields and only surrounded by infinite water water everywhere and not a drop to drink.

[Dennis_Nedry]

9 hours ago, KodiakJac said:

 

Or North Africa!

 

They have many aircraft models that are already finished, and close to those they would use in a North Africa module.  I already have Cliffs/Tobruk, but IL-2 Great Battles is light years ahead of the Cliffs of Dover technology.  I really want to see the IL-2 Great Battles team move to North Africa at some point in the future.  They would be able to do it so well!

I think if they do Sicily 43 you would want to include part of Tunisia and Malta.  A few aircraft to think about would be P40L, P38G, B25C, Beaufighter, MC205, SM79, Re 2001 and 2005.  Would be pretty great IMO!

Edited January 5, 2022 by Dennis_Nedry

[Noisemaker]

2 hours ago, Dennis_Nedry said:

I think if they do Sicily 43 you would want to include part of Tunisia and Malta.  A few aircraft to think about would be P40L, P38G, B25C, Beaufighter, MC205, SM79, Re 2001 and 2005.  Would be pretty great IMO!

While it's a lovely list of aircraft, they may need to reduce the new aircraft models introduced in this map simply to focus efforts on properly modelling the effects of dust and volcanic ash on our engines.  Otherwise, they'll need to double the size of the team or farm out a lot of the work.