New Mid-War Collector Aircraft

[Feldgrun]

Which of these would you choose for development as the next collector airplane?

 

We already have variations of most of these airframes (except the Fiat), so I'd hope that the developers wouldn't have to spend much time creating any of these.

 

 

Edited January 1, 2022 by Feldgrun

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

We need to get Italy into the war

[Jade_Monkey]

Fiat without a doubt, C.205 as the backup.

[Eisenfaustus]

Few of these seem to be includable in current careers - that’s why I choose a Bf 110 F-2 to have the correct destroyer for battle of Stalingrad. Early Yaks and Laggs for Moscow would also make sense. But for me more important at the moment would be to have some non fighter aircraft to fill the rosters. 

[DD_Arthur]

None of the above....

[AndyJWest]

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USSR - MiG-5

 

What?

[Dutchvdm]

We already have the Fw-190 F-3. And i agree with the some other comments that the planes should be usable in the current scenario’s. That said. I would not be against another p-38. 
 

Grt M

Edited January 2, 2022 by I./ZG1_Dutchvdm

[SidtheGit]

G55 followed by the MC 205.

 

As something that would be a 'Collector fighter' I know the OP specified mid-war but I would prefer to see something a bit different from any period rather than an additional variant of a current aircraft. Perhaps aircraft such as the Fiat CR42 Falco, G50 Freccia, Macchi C200 Saetta, Gloster Gladiator, Gloster Meteor or Westland Whirlwind. All comes down to personal likes though and an aircraft selected should really fit into current or new scenarios we can use on the  maps we have. 

 

Cheerzen

Edited January 2, 2022 by SidtheGit

[Trooper117]

Absolutely none of the above!

[Rodwonder]

Yeah, I voted for the C. 205 but the P-38F would be great for 1942/43 Normandy missions and campaigns. 

[ilmavoimat]

It would be nice to have a few flyable aircraft  that are not combat types, so;

1. Fieseler Fi 156

2. Piper L-4 Grasshopper

3. Westland Lysander

4. Polikarpov R-5

 

[Mtnbiker1998]

I'd hope for Italian planes being left to a future battle, along with most of the midwar American and British Planes. P-51A does seem like a perfect collector plane though,  if they model all the different armaments as mods, (XP-51, Mustang 1, 1a, II) aswell as the A-36, it'd be pretty versatile set, perfect for a collector imo. Everything from .30s to 20mms, bombs and dive brakes. 

[THERION]

Puh - what a boring list of planes! Yet another BF109, again another FW190...

 

2 hours ago, ilmavoimat said:

It would be nice to have a few flyable aircraft  that are not combat types, so;

1. Fieseler Fi 156

2. Piper L-4 Grasshopper

3. Westland Lysander

4. Polikarpov R-5

 

 

Now that's an interesting list and proposition! All of them very interesting and nice planes!

 

I'm all in for all of them!

[sevenless]

Mid war is 43/44 for me. There are IMHO three planes which would benefit the existing modules Normandy and Rhineland as collector planes:

 

1.) Spitfire LF. IXc

2.) Bf109-G6/AS

3.) Mustang Mk. IA

[Angry_Kitten]

Henschel HS 129

 

Germanies ONLY biplane of the war, and was used THE ENTIRE WAR as a support scout, and ground attack...  from poland to the very end it was in use. 

 

 

That is a plane we should demand, gladiator would be nice, but that pesky mosquito renders that a no go as they arent going to be willing to basically redo the same thing twice. 

 

As the Box is NOT an engine that can do massive bomber formations like il Dover or in 1946, we have to decide actual usefulness. 

[Dutchvdm]

2 hours ago, pocketshaver said:

Henschel HS 129

 

Germanies ONLY biplane of the war, and was used THE ENTIRE WAR as a support scout, and ground attack...  from poland to the very end it was in use. 

 

 

That is a plane we should demand, gladiator would be nice, but that pesky mosquito renders that a no go as they arent going to be willing to basically redo the same thing twice. 

 

As the Box is NOT an engine that can do massive bomber formations like il Dover or in 1946, we have to decide actual usefulness. 

You mean the Hs-123? I would like to have that one as well. Not really a mid-war aircraft, but that doesn’t matter. Great for all the current eastern front titles.

 

3 hours ago, sevenless said:

Mid war is 43/44 for me. There are IMHO three planes which would benefit the existing modules Normandy and Rhineland as collector planes:

 

1.) Spitfire LF. IXc

2.) Bf109-G6/AS

3.) Mustang Mk. IA

Agreed. I would like to see at least one AS powered 109 in the future. It’s weird that the K4 currently is the only high altitude 109 we have. 
 

Grt M

Edited January 3, 2022 by I./ZG1_Dutchvdm

[Angry_Kitten]

34 minutes ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

You mean the Hs-123? I would like to have that one as well. Not really a mid-war aircraft, but that doesn’t matter. Great for all the current eastern front titles.

 

Agreed. I would like to see at least one AS powered 109 in the future. It’s weird that the K4 currently is the only high altitude 109 we have. 
 

Grt M

 

I have a feeling that the only high altitude 109 is a result of the fact that every single allied high altitude plane is hampered horribly by the fact that everything in the game is done at 15,000 feet or less.   Now toss the lightning and jug up to say 25,000 and they get FUN.

[Alexmarine]

Given that barely any planes of the poll can actually be integrated in the scenarios we have so far in game I will not vote (BTW, we already have the 190 F-3 through modifications to the 190 A-5).

 

I would be way more interested in collector's planes that augment and expand existing BoX plane sets and instead of adding random planes with no connections to the historical scenarios displayed

[Hanu]

I must say that it is quite a feat to get such an uninteresting list of planes.

 

Ilmavoimat had much better one for starters:

1. Fieseler Fi 156

2. Piper L-4 Grasshopper

3. Westland Lysander

4. Polikarpov R-5

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Tough choice.

There's some planes that I would like to see more than the one I voted for but those are rather for a possible new theater (P40-N for Italy for instance) so I went for the G5.

I know there's already a lot of 109's in the game but I like to have different versions of the same thing (I have that with music too, remixes and alternate versions of songs,...).

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Traffic]

I'd love to see a P51A/A36. We already have a plethora of 109s and 190s. The P40E was a 1941 variant, so it's early war, but they were doing work until the end of the war in all fronts. I'd like to see an N model at some point. 

 

I'd vote for a B25J. Something about 12 forward firing .50's...

 

Now only if we could get APIT rounds for the 50's...

[Ribbon]

None

[Vishnu]

I want the impossibly hard to research and model HE-100!

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_100

 

Spoiler

He-100 colourized

 

[DBFlyguy]

 

 

 

 

I'll take one of each of these.

[FoxbatRU]

• Germany - Bf109 G-5
• Germany - Fw190 F-3
• Italy - Fiat G.55
• Italy - Macchi C.205
• UK - Spitfire VIII
• UK - P-51A
• US - P-38F
• US - P-40N
• USSR - MiG-5
• USSR - P-39Q

 

None of the options are interesting without the appropriate chapter.?‍♂️

[Avimimus]

On 1/2/2022 at 4:14 AM, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

We already have the Fw-190 F-3.

 

Maybe the intention was the Fw-190A4?

 

On 1/2/2022 at 4:26 PM, ilmavoimat said:

It would be nice to have a few flyable aircraft  that are not combat types, so;

1. Fieseler Fi 156

2. Piper L-4 Grasshopper

3. Westland Lysander

4. Polikarpov R-5

 

 

Some of those can spot for artillery... so, quite a bit of firepower (if we ever get detailed artillery spotting gameplay). I'd also add the Fw-189 and Ar-196 to that list.

Edited January 8, 2022 by Avimimus

[Chris65]

G.55. To me a 109 is a 109, 190 same etc etc, need variety.  I enjoy flying the G.55 vs Hurricanes in '46.

[Chris65]

I was looking through my MACDONALD Warplanes Vol2 and came across the  Reggiane RE.2005, it is described as "One of the best fighters to be produced by the Italian aircraft industry" and was even used by the Luftwaffe (Vol2, page 180); with an armament of 2x12.7mm and 3x20mm she has great fire power and top speed of 390mph at 22,800ft.  I would recommend this over the G.55, at least the 2005 will provide the Italians with a good 1943 fighter.

[AndyJWest]

2 minutes ago, Chris65 said:

I was looking through my MACDONALD Warplanes Vol2 and came across the  Reggiane RE.2005, it is described as "One of the best fighters to be produced by the Italian aircraft industry" and was even used by the Luftwaffe (Vol2, page 180); with an armament of 2x12.7mm and 3x20mm she has great fire power and top speed of 390mph at 22,800ft.  I would recommend this over the G.55, at least the 2005 will provide the Italians with a good 1943 fighter.

 

Only built in very low numbers though. 

[Chris65]

27 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Only built in very low numbers though. 

48 delivered and they were working on a more powerful version that could reach 454mph.  Of the G.55 only 105 were built, so not many more.

[Asgar]

The 109 G-5 is a G-6 with pressurized cockpit and the 190 F-3 is basically in game U17 mod for the A-5 but straight out of the factory. Did you choose those cause you knew nobody would vote for them but you could still say you added German options? XD

[IckyATLAS]

None of the planes listed. Only one is missing at this point and would get all my votes and that's the B17, and it will be an immense  pleasure for me to make the Memphis Belle skin.

[JG7_X-Man]

11 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

None of the planes listed. Only one is missing at this point and would get all my votes and that's the B17, and it will be an immense  pleasure for me to make the Memphis Belle skin.

Hey @IckyATLAS the game engine cannot support 4-engined aircraft unfortunately.

[IckyATLAS]

9 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Hey @IckyATLAS the game engine cannot support 4-engined aircraft unfortunately.

For what I know Jason said that the engine can very well deal with it. The reason is to my understanding the huge amount of work and cost to have such a plane reproduced to the quality we are used to. But I would be ready to put a good price on the table to buy it as a collector plane.

[Redwo1f]

44 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

For what I know Jason said that the engine can very well deal with it. The reason is to my understanding the huge amount of work and cost to have such a plane reproduced to the quality we are used to. But I would be ready to put a good price on the table to buy it as a collector plane.

 

 

It's all the gunner stations (and AI needed for them) coupled with the large formations they usually flew in, I do believe --- just not possible for now. Go run the time dilation test with the B-25's and all the AA and see for yourself. 

(Somewhere in the Cliffs Of Dover forums, whether it was a slip up or not by a developer or a causal mention, they look like they will be going to that engine (a/some 4-engine bombers) - we shall see...)

Edited March 8, 2022 by Redwo1f

[IckyATLAS]

30 minutes ago, Redwo1f said:

 

 

It's all the gunner stations (and AI needed for them) coupled with the large formations they usually flew in, I do believe --- just not possible for now. Go run the time dilation test with the B-25's and all the AA and see for yourself. 

(Somewhere in the Cliffs Of Dover forums, whether it was a slip up or not by a developer or a causal mention, they look like they will be going to that engine (a/some 4-engine bombers) - we shall see...)

Correct issue is not the engine but the CPU power needed to run such models without time dilation. Code optimization and parallelization to better use multiple cores is one thing to do, but we just have to wait a little more and we may get enough power to run these complex models. 

Now I am not asking to be able to fly a a box of a 100 B17. Just two or three is already nice to have. And in regard of Time dilation up to 5% is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. I run tests with time dilation up to 20% and that is too much indeed.

[MarcoPegase44]

 

On 1/1/2022 at 9:57 PM, Feldgrun said:

Which of these would you choose for development as the next collector airplane?

 

We already have variations of most of these airframes (except the Fiat), so I'd hope that the developers wouldn't have to spend much time creating any of these.

 

 

And the Spitfire LFIXc ?

 

it’s a common aircraft missing for the BON Maps and BOPB

Edited March 12, 2022 by MarcoPegase44

[Docholiday]

For me   NONE of this Planes is really needed in this Game  ?

 

Cheers

 

Doc

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

Spitfire Mk. IXc

Edited March 15, 2022 by drewm3i-VR

[Feldgrun]

I'd actually rather have a Mitsubishi A6M variant, but that would need a whole new map. I think the planes above would work for our current maps.