Update from devs on wing fixes

[ST_Catchov]

1 hour ago, J2_Bidu said:

Don't hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning. Think the fix will be there and it will be there. It's a mother, beautiful fix, and it's gonna be there. Ok?

 

Yeah but I'm not feelin' the vibe Bids. We need the vibe if we're ever gonna get that Camel and Se5a fixed. And maybe the Dr1 flying about with half the top wing gone.

 

I recall someone said Jason joined the Flug on comms at some point and, as I understand it, this very topic was discussed. Is that correct? What was the vibe? 'Cause we're not getting much vibe here in the devs official forum. It's all quiet on the Western Front.

[No.23_Gaylion]

Bruh the entire last dev diary was nothing but FC....

[BMA_Hellbender]

Wasn't there some semi-confirmation that the wings would be looked at after the fuel system overhaul?

 

In any case sales of the Siemens and Snipe will dictate just how much appetite there is for more FC and whether the devs spend time on it or not. Get your wallets ready!

 

On an unrelated note: my interest in IL2/FC has dropped steadily since the beginning of the pandemic. Then again, my interest in gaming has essentially disappeared, so the fact that I'm still excited about FC at all and am keeping my desktop around for it is also saying something. I think many of us here are burnt out on it in one way or another. If you have the chance to fly somewhere in real life, doesn't matter whether it's general aviation, ultralights or gliders... do it. I realise that gas prices are insane right now, but you will not regret it. Getting to fly in my home country since moving back here last year has been a quasi religious experience.

[US103_Baer]

15 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Giving the lack of much acknowledgment/comments from the "team", I'd say these discussions are pretty irrelevant tbh..  here we are discussing which planes need fixing the most, and I see nothing to indicate they are even working on this at all. (after all these months).  Would be nice to hear from them, that this issue is important to them, and that they have some kind of plan in place to fix this wing damage/weakness issue that exists in multiple planes, that many, many users have repeatedly reported to them.

 

16 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

....it makes me wonder where FC comes into that list of fixes, if at all at the moment.

 

Well we DO know exactly where FC comes, cause Jason has told us - we rank just below drop tanks. 

So, as much as I feel the pain just like you guys, we need to acknowledge that Jason has told us wing DM will be addressed after the Devs finish the long delayed work on drop tanks and fuel system. 

[BMA_Hellbender]

1 hour ago, US103_Baer said:

Well we DO know exactly where FC comes, cause Jason has told us - we rank just below drop tanks. 

So, as much as I feel the pain just like you guys, we need to acknowledge that Jason has told us wing DM will be addressed after the Devs finish the long delayed work on drop tanks and fuel system. 

 

To be fair: drop tanks are pretty damn important and pave the way for the Pacific.

[US103_Baer]

35 minutes ago, Hellbender said:

 

To be fair: drop tanks are pretty damn important and pave the way for the Pacific.

Yup. How many ppl want to have really long outbound legs of a patrol is yet to be determined,  but its a cool development.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

10 minutes ago, US103_Baer said:

Yup. How many ppl want to have really long outbound legs of a patrol is yet to be determined,  but its a cool development.

People don't even take a full fuel load now.   This is eye candy imo.  Cool stuff for sure, but not at all important to me personally.   I know others will feel differently.   Personally, I'd prefer they fix the glaring bugs in the existing planes that effect the actual performance of the plane sets, before they spend time producing eye candy that imo few people will really use beyond the one or two screen shots they take for background images.

 

But, it's not my company, or my decision.

Edited May 5, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

2 hours ago, US103_Baer said:

 

 

Well we DO know exactly where FC comes, cause Jason has told us - we rank just below drop tanks. 

So, as much as I feel the pain just like you guys, we need to acknowledge that Jason has told us wing DM will be addressed after the Devs finish the long delayed work on drop tanks and fuel system. 

I hope after initial work (like pubic release drop tank for 109 ),  not all planes because those might take year to come.  I think after AvP build  drop tank foundation some others devs will pickup technology for the rest planes and he will be free to  work out FC wings issue.

Edited May 5, 2022 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

3 hours ago, Hellbender said:

 

 

In any case sales of the Siemens and Snipe will dictate just how much appetite there is for more FC and whether the devs spend time on it or not. Get your wallets ready!

 

 

I have no interest in purchasing anything further until all issues are resolved.

 

       (But then again I have a Sugar Baeumer)      

 

[Zooropa_Fly]

3 hours ago, J5_Klugermann said:

 

I have no interest in purchasing anything further until all issues are resolved.

 

       (But then again I have a Sugar Baeumer)      

 

 

No chance you'll be able to resist any of these 2 crates when they come out.

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

Nah, have tons of other crappy planes to fly.

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, J5_Klugermann said:

Nah, have tons of other crappy planes to fly.

 

Just think, if their wings fall off when the pilot sneezes a little too hard you can add them to your collection... 

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

I see every new release through green colored glasses as another step towards fixes on a roadmap only the devs know.  They are learning as they go and have project sequences we don't know/understand because its business Intel.  Certain things come in a sequence that as someone else said, builds off other things.  They may not know exactly where the error was made (probably deep) that isolates FC in how DM effects were modeled.  As I have said and written ad nauseum (spellcheck), it probably is in the coding of strength of timber and/or the coding of the 303 cartridge. It could be fixed by creating a custom bullet with the right coding for doing the right damage (about 1/3 less than now....forgive me for estimating 'roughly') that is used for the interim and only in FC planes, but there are purists on the dev team for whom such a messy 'quick fix' just isn't acceptable.  But failing to devote the resources to finding the "root" cause of the problems quickly is'nt acceptable to a lot of ... customers.  They've fixed a few planes (relatively speaking) and that blows holes in everything I've just said regarding it being an underlying physics problem (wood/ballistics root problem) and suggests something particular to each plane.  Otherwise they would have output a patch for FC planes duplicating the good results from the few "fixed" planes.  So I'm back to the "they are learning" phase (and wearing green tinted glasses).

PS @J5_Klugermann that is really kind that you'll be gifting me those new planes!  My, how far we've come!

 

[No.23_Starling]

On 5/3/2022 at 10:44 PM, J99_Sizzlorr said:

Dude I am not saying you are wrong about your glue fact on the Dr.I. My problem with your posts is that they exeggerate the problem way too much. I am not saying you could only use the S.E.5a with hit and run type tactics and I was showing you the opposite that you can infact fight with her successfully without returning to base after minor damage. So please stop twisting my words. I don't know why you bring up the D.IIIa now as we were talking S.E.5a initially. I just put your opinion into perspective when I share mine which somewhat differs from yours. That's ok with me btw. And I think you are the one that is gaslighting the community by over exaggerating the problem. You can read which ever book you want those things are described nowhere. No one can tell you the actual wing strenght of a plane when damaged compared to another plane. You can not prove the S.E.5a was tougher than the Pfalz D.IIIa either. So instead of stiring up the pot we should take the DM as what it is for now and see what the devs come up with after the drop tanks are released. Don't scare away new players with your dooms day oppinion. 

 

I put the following statements of yours into perspective: "The game is brutally unbalanced", "It is very hard to get a 20 kill streak with an S.E.5a" "You can always bail out in a central plane" and "You can only use hit and run tactics with the S.E.5a" or seagulling as you call it.

 

Those statements are simply not true. I am not saying everything is nice and dandy but everything is not as dark as you like to paint it.

The unbalance in wings I am referring to is between the SE5a and Diiia specially (and Fokkers more generally). It is brutal to players, new or otherwise IMO (you can literally pull 10gs in the Diiia). The latter can take a crap ton more punishment than the former, and I question the historical and engineering reasoning behind the disparity; you’ve not provided any evidence either way.

 

As for driving away new players, I doubt they read my posts here. What’s driving away players IMO, particularly SE5a fans, is their wings falling off whilst their opponents do the Red Bull Air Race full of lead. Hell, it’s what got me addicted to the SPAD. I’ve deliberately not done much FC content on Waggaz Wings (20k views for some vids) because I don’t want to give the sim a review in its current state - I want to sing its praises if/when the DM gets some love. If the update does happen after drop tanks I’ve already indicated to Jason I’ll be all over YouTube with content. Salute mein freund.

 

PS debate with respect is healthy. Let’s keep talking and saluting.

[ST_Catchov]

Well since we're talking about the Se5a again it would be remiss of me not to mention the weirdo boom and fizzle energy loss bleeding revs thing. After the devs drop the tanks I hope this is "addressed" along with the weak wings. And the Camel of course. But at least she has the Aldis sight in the right place. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

6 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

Well since we're talking about the Se5a again it would be remiss of me not to mention the weirdo boom and fizzle energy loss bleeding revs thing. After the devs drop the tanks I hope this is "addressed" along with the weak wings. And the Camel of course. But at least she has the Aldis sight in the right place. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That will never happen imho,  FM revisions are out of question. One tiny spark is that current employee did rework Se5, so in other universe it might happened. 

[J99_Sizzlorr]

8 hours ago, US103_Rummell said:

The unbalance in wings I am referring to is between the SE5a and Diiia specially (and Fokkers more generally). It is brutal to players, new or otherwise IMO (you can literally pull 10gs in the Diiia). The latter can take a crap ton more punishment than the former, and I question the historical and engineering reasoning behind the disparity; you’ve not provided any evidence either way.

 

As for driving away new players, I doubt they read my posts here. What’s driving away players IMO, particularly SE5a fans, is their wings falling ...

I already told you there is no such evidence and I doubt you will find any evidence supporting your claims. If these existed don't you think the developers would have used it? So we both can not prove our points. Also I never said that the I am ok with the DM of the Pfalz D.IIIa. 10Gs seems to be a bit over the top given the fact that the Fokker D.VII only can pull 8Gs undamaged that is. That is one reason why I don't fly the Pfalz D.IIIa because I am also not convinced about those 10Gs. But we were talking wing strengthening and not wing weakening.

Also your posts matter you talk about 20k views on your channel even if only a handful follow you here into the Forum and read your overly negative posts and stop playing like you did it will hurt our small community massively.

 

S! Old Chap

Edited May 6, 2022 by J99_Sizzlorr

[ST_Catchov]

15 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

That will never happen imho,  FM revisions are out of question. One tiny spark is that current employee did rework Se5, so in other universe it might happened. 

 

You smash my dreams like a hammer and then you float a feather in a zephyr of hope ! You're a cruel man Husar. May the spark grow large.

[No.23_Starling]

1 hour ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

I already told you there is no such evidence and I doubt you will find any evidence supporting your claims. If these existed don't you think the developers would have used it? So we both can not prove our points. Also I never said that the I am ok with the DM of the Pfalz D.IIIa. 10Gs seems to be a bit over the top given the fact that the Fokker D.VII only can pull 8Gs undamaged that is. That is one reason why I don't fly the Pfalz D.IIIa because I am also not convinced about those 10Gs. But we were talking wing strengthening and not wing weakening.

Also your posts matter you talk about 20k views on your channel even if only a handful follow you here into the Forum and read your overly negative posts and stop playing like you did it will hurt our small community massively.

 

S! Old Chap

Apologies if I have put anyone off. No sim is perfect and we actually have some amazing match ups now thanks to your work on the 1917 map. The Dva vs Tripe is great fun! Have had a little pay with the squad using the new planeset. I’ve not completely walked away ?

PS I also get the hypocrisy of commenting on a sim I’m not regularly using. That was my annoyance with some of the older RoF people. I’m at least trying to keep my foot in.

[ST_Catchov]

14 hours ago, US103_Rummell said:

No sim is perfect

 

I guess you're right Rummy. There are worse things in life .... really bad things. We should be grateful for what we have.

 

 

[NO.20_Krispy_Duck]

On 5/5/2022 at 6:39 PM, US103_Rummell said:

The unbalance in wings I am referring to is between the SE5a and Diiia specially (and Fokkers more generally). It is brutal to players, new or otherwise IMO (you can literally pull 10gs in the Diiia). The latter can take a crap ton more punishment than the former, and I question the historical and engineering reasoning behind the disparity; you’ve not provided any evidence either way.

 

As for driving away new players, I doubt they read my posts here. What’s driving away players IMO, particularly SE5a fans, is their wings falling off whilst their opponents do the Red Bull Air Race full of lead. Hell, it’s what got me addicted to the SPAD. I’ve deliberately not done much FC content on Waggaz Wings (20k views for some vids) because I don’t want to give the sim a review in its current state - I want to sing its praises if/when the DM gets some love. If the update does happen after drop tanks I’ve already indicated to Jason I’ll be all over YouTube with content. Salute mein freund.

 

PS debate with respect is healthy. Let’s keep talking and saluting.

 

The SE is at the point where 3 bullets from long range will fold the wings if you're diving. Had that happen the other night - diving on a target, AI takes a very far off, very short burst and hits. Wings all fall off the instant those bullets hit. Post-flight log shows 3 German MG rounds hit. This problem, along with the glass pilot on landing/ditching/wheel contacting round, is hurting the game.

Edited May 11, 2022 by NO.20_Krispy_Duck

[ST_Catchov]

I'm eagerly awaiting the release of the WWII drop tanks, after which, as I understand it (?), the devs will be able to focus on important matters such as these ^.  I've never been so excited about drop tanks.

[BMA_Hellbender]

7 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

I'm eagerly awaiting the release of the WWII drop tanks, after which, as I understand it (?), the devs will be able to focus on important matters such as these ^.  I've never been so excited about drop tanks.

 

Yeah I'm pretty sure we're more excited about drop tanks for WWII than the actual WWII people.

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

I think they will be really useful on the fast food servers.

[No.23_Starling]

On 5/11/2022 at 2:58 PM, NO.20_Krispy_Duck said:

 

The SE is at the point where 3 bullets from long range will fold the wings if you're diving. Had that happen the other night - diving on a target, AI takes a very far off, very short burst and hits. Wings all fall off the instant those bullets hit. Post-flight log shows 3 German MG rounds hit. This problem, along with the glass pilot on landing/ditching/wheel contacting round, is hurting the game.

Do you have a track you can share please? The devs have asked for examples 

[ST_Catchov]

 

 

 

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Latest update.    Still broken..

[ST_Catchov]