Possibilities of a late war eastern front module

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

IMHP as important as the late war Berlin scenario, is a Barbarossa one. With both the Eastern Front would be covered concerning war years/periods and only needing mapas, maps and more maps.

Edited November 27, 2021 by =gRiJ=Roman-

[Juri_JS]

As an alternative to Kurland I would suggest East Prussia. There was more activity in the air over East Prussia and especially in late 1944/early 1945 the Luftwaffe was still rather strong in the area. Moreover the operations of the Kriegsmarine (evacuation and artillery support) would allow some very interesting missions. And as Jeanba already mentioned, we could add Normandie-Niemen regiment.

Moreover more plane types would be possible for the German side. Here a possible plane set for the Luftwaffe:

 

Bf-109 G-10

Fw-190 A-9/F-9

Ju-87 D5/G2

Hs-129 B-3

Ar-196 A-5

 

[Alexmarine]

35 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

IMHP as important as the late war Berlin scenario, is a Barbarossa one. With both the Eastern Front would be covered concerning war years/periods and only needing mapas, maps and more maps.

 

While possible given the variety of planes in use by the Red Army at the start of the GPW, the issue is that the key german planes are already covered by Moscow's set. If the devs decides one day to try marketing map packs or collector plans packs with a reduced numbers of them in compared to the standard packs I could see Barbarossa getting covered. We still miss even some Moscow era planes for it, so even single collectors planes that will be both for Moscow and Barbarossa would be nice

16 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

 Here a possible plane set for the Luftwaffe:

 

Bf-109 G-10

Fw-190 A-9/F-9

Ju-87 D5/G2

Hs-129 B-3

Ar-196 A-5

 

 

A sensible set though I am sure that there will be people crying bloody murder for only two fighters in it while the Soviets will get probably the La-7/Yak-3/Yak-9U trio. Wouldn't mind if the Ar-196 gets replaced by a collector's Ta-152 just to mimick the soviet set a little more and finishing the LW late war set, wouldn't be the first time a plane that isn't really a fit for a map scenario is released

[Juri_JS]

41 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

A sensible set though I am sure that there will be people crying bloody murder for only two fighters in it while the Soviets will get probably the La-7/Yak-3/Yak-9U trio. Wouldn't mind if the Ar-196 gets replaced by a collector's Ta-152 just to mimick the soviet set a little more and finishing the LW late war set, wouldn't be the first time a plane that isn't really a fit for a map scenario is released

I would say two and a half fighters for the German side.

 

Actually for a seaplane the Ar-196 performed suprinsingly well when it was used as a fighter. I think there were a few victories against Soviet aircraft.

Edited November 27, 2021 by Juri_JS

[ww2fighter20]

4 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

As an alternative to Kurland I would suggest East Prussia. There was more activity in the air over East Prussia and especially in late 1944/early 1945 the Luftwaffe was still rather strong in the area. Moreover the operations of the Kriegsmarine (evacuation and artillery support) would allow some very interesting missions. And as Jeanba already mentioned, we could add Normandie-Niemen regiment.

Moreover more plane types would be possible for the German side. Here a possible plane set for the Luftwaffe:

Maybe Kurland and East Prussia could be combined into 1 map?

Not many large cities located over there and north-west of the map would be mostly sea.

 

Another potential aircraft that could be added is the A20G or IL4 which carried torpedo's.

[CountZero]

You cant have german super planse if your doing Kurland or East Prussia, also you used up Yak-3 and La7s, so you cant do battle for berlin any more. There is no way they would go for anything els then final part of war to be able to make lufftwafe paper fighters and where they can call DLC battle of berlin. Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Baltic states battles have little chance when you have Berlin as option with Poland 45 front. If they can justifie He-162, Ta-152, Do-334 and what not they will go for that options, just look how they squised ar-234b on normandy, map dont have base for it and its not even type that flew over it... Also for ppl who say no american airplanes, that dont mather mutch if you name dlc berlin and make 1-2 lw paper planse mericans know from hollywood "history" channals ? 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

You cant have german super planse if your doing Kurland or East Prussia, also you used up Yak-3 and La7s, so you cant do battle for berlin any more. There is no way they would go for anything els then final part of war to be able to make lufftwafe paper fighters and where they can call DLC battle of berlin. Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Baltic states battles have little chance when you have Berlin as option with Poland 45 front. If they can justifie He-162, Ta-152, Do-334 and what not they will go for that options, just look how they squised ar-234b on normandy, map dont have base for it and its not even type that flew over it... Also for ppl who say no american airplanes, that dont mather mutch if you name dlc berlin and make 1-2 lw paper planse mericans know from hollywood "history" channals ? 

 

What?

[Rjel]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

 Also for ppl who say no american airplanes, that dont mather mutch if you name dlc berlin and make 1-2 lw paper planse mericans know from hollywood "history" channals ? 

Which is why I always come to the internet for factual checks on what is the reality of our world.

[oc2209]

3 hours ago, CountZero said:

 If they can justifie He-162, Ta-152, Do-334 and what not they will go for that options, just look how they squised ar-234b on normandy, map dont have base for it and its not even type that flew over it... Also for ppl who say no american airplanes, that dont mather mutch if you name dlc berlin and make 1-2 lw paper planse mericans know from hollywood "history" channals ? 

 

The Do-335 is not appropriate for this sim. I'm saying that as someone who'd like to fly one. There is no operational history of the Do-335 to speak of.

 

The Ta-152 and He-162 both saw combat. Fired their guns 'in anger' at an enemy, and likely shot a few down. That, in my mind, is the barrier of entry into the sim: if a plane saw operational service in whatever capacity (obviously a recon plane wouldn't be required to score kills to fulfill this criterion). For a fighter however, that standard is to have engaged in combat with the enemy.

 

The Ta-152 and He-162 are decidedly not paper planes. A stupidly short service history is not the same thing as existing only on paper.

 

The Do-335 was beyond the paper stage, but still never saw real combat (that I know of). Therefore, it should be disqualified for consideration.

 

I would bet very good money that the devs won't ever include the Do-335 in the sim. I'm also betting the devs won't bother with the P-63 for reasons I've already mentioned. Some vague rumors of its service aren't equal to documentation.

[CUJO_1970]

On 11/27/2021 at 11:01 AM, CountZero said:

You cant have german super planse if your doing Kurland or East Prussia, also you used up Yak-3 and La7s, so you cant do battle for berlin any more. There is no way they would go for anything els then final part of war to be able to make lufftwafe paper fighters and where they can call DLC battle of berlin. Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Baltic states battles have little chance when you have Berlin as option with Poland 45 front. If they can justifie He-162, Ta-152, Do-334 and what not they will go for that options, just look how they squised ar-234b on normandy, map dont have base for it and its not even type that flew over it... Also for ppl who say no american airplanes, that dont mather mutch if you name dlc berlin and make 1-2 lw paper planse mericans know from hollywood "history" channals ? 

Please stop using the internet.

[Chief_Mouser]

Will you lot please stop quoting CountZero? I have him on my Ignore list and I don't want to see what he writes. ?

[Mtnbiker1998]

1 hour ago, 216th_Cat said:

Will you lot please stop quoting CountZero? I have him on my Ignore list and I don't want to see what he writes. ?

theres an ignore function on the forum? I'd love to get that setup

[Chief_Mouser]

9 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

theres an ignore function on the forum? I'd love to get that setup

 

Hover your mouse over someone's avatar and you'll see the option. ?

[CzechTexan]

I think the best bet is to have the Jassy-Kishinev operational area as the next map.  

 

The IAR is coming soon (to defend Romania) and it wouldn't be too hard to develop a P-39N or Q (since Pokryshkin's unit fought there).

This map would also be great for Tank Crew since there were some heavy tank battles there.

 

Jassy-Kishinev is a largely unknown but huge campaign which the Germans defended fiercely and quite effectively while the Red Army pounded away at it.  This could have some interesting scenarios and also help teach the history of what happened... I'm thinking similarly to what the Devs did with Prokhorovka.

Although, I wonder if it's possible to have two versions of the map - a heavy map like TC Prok and a lightened map for regular GB. 

 

With that said, I'm still hoping for a northeast Caucasus map for August 1942 - January 1943.  Jassy-Kishinev has hills but Caucasus has real mountains! ?

[Juri_JS]

6 hours ago, CzechTexan said:

I think the best bet is to have the Jassy-Kishinev operational area as the next map. 

The scenario would be interesting. I think most of the area is already available on the unfinished Odessa map, so it would be relatively easy to do.

 

For those who can't remember this map, look in DD130:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=378896

 

But the question is, which planes would you add to the axis side.

[CountZero]

10 hours ago, CzechTexan said:

I think the best bet is to have the Jassy-Kishinev operational area as the next map.  

 

The IAR is coming soon (to defend Romania) and it wouldn't be too hard to develop a P-39N or Q (since Pokryshkin's unit fought there).

This map would also be great for Tank Crew since there were some heavy tank battles there.

 

Jassy-Kishinev is a largely unknown but huge campaign which the Germans defended fiercely and quite effectively while the Red Army pounded away at it.  This could have some interesting scenarios and also help teach the history of what happened... I'm thinking similarly to what the Devs did with Prokhorovka.

Although, I wonder if it's possible to have two versions of the map - a heavy map like TC Prok and a lightened map for regular GB. 

 

With that said, I'm still hoping for a northeast Caucasus map for August 1942 - January 1943.  Jassy-Kishinev has hills but Caucasus has real mountains! ?

And what airplanes would they be selling on that map, you have most of axis and some of soviet already in game, and they said they are not interested in seling only map areas, so for any DLC to work you need 5v5 airplanes for it, then most of historical battles they didnt do cant be done because you already have most airplanes for it in game, and some more obscured types are hard to make or fined data for them. Also you have to make map in 1:1 scale so some bettles are out of question as areas would be to big. When you acount for all that you see there is not many options for next DLC then, no mather how many good historical battle areas are still not in game.

Edited December 4, 2021 by CountZero

[MeoW.Scharfi]

14 hours ago, CzechTexan said:

The IAR is coming soon (to defend Romania) and it wouldn't be too hard to develop a P-39N or Q (since Pokryshkin's unit fought there).

This map would also be great for Tank Crew since there were some heavy tank battles there.

 

YES PLEASE

 

 

[Vig]

Terrifying.

[[DBS]Tx_Tip]

On 11/27/2021 at 3:06 AM, Juri_JS said:

As an alternative to Kurland I would suggest East Prussia. There was more activity in the air over East Prussia and especially in late 1944/early 1945 the Luftwaffe was still rather strong in the area. Moreover the operations of the Kriegsmarine (evacuation and artillery support) would allow some very interesting missions. And as Jeanba already mentioned, we could add Normandie-Niemen regiment.

Moreover more plane types would be possible for the German side. Here a possible plane set for the Luftwaffe:

 

Bf-109 G-10

Fw-190 A-9/F-9

Ju-87 D5/G2

Hs-129 B-3

Ar-196 A-5

 

 

As you suggested this area would lend itself to creative Campaign, SP and MP scenarios Juri_JS.

I'd definitely be on board with this Map and the Axis planeset for that matter.

La-7/Yak-3 along with a P-39-N or Q are needed to round off the USSR fighter planeset.

For bombers the Ilyushin IL-4.

And if seaplanes are a possibility:

The Soviet PBY Catalinas of WWII | vvs air war

 

Tip

 

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

My notes for Jassy-Kishnev are:

 

- Bf 109G-6 (Collector), the one we have already but packaged with J-K, because honestly there's no reason to buy it now we have the /late

- IAR 81C, with the rest of the long wing IARs assuming we don't get them

- Me 210Ca-1, for Hungarian units in Transylvania, used in fighter and strike roles

- Ju 87D-5/G-2, widely requested

- JRS.79B, Romanian twin engine Sparviero, a somewhat different bomber

 

Desperate fighter shortage but there are loads of different strike types possible.

 

- LaGG-3 s.66 (Collector), the final evolution of the LaGG and a serious competitor to Yak-9 and Yak-1b

- Yak-9M, 1944 modernisation of Yak-9T with option of either 20mm or 37mm, more fuel and a tickbox mod for a better engine

- La-5F obr. 1944, lightened La-5 with the La-5FN cut-down canopy and option of the FN engine to make it a better FN

- Il-2 obr. 1944, which surely needs no introduction

- A-20G-1, as above

 

P-39Q is another option, as is P-40N as an outside pick or the rare Pe-3bis heavy fighter.

[Bremspropeller]

I just bought myself a desk-globe.

 

Fcuk me dead, NEW GUINEA is way in the east!

[the_emperor]

On 12/6/2021 at 11:37 AM, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

LaGG-3 s.66 (Collector), the final evolution of the LaGG and a serious competitor to Yak-9 and Yak-1b

In fact the fastest of the Klimov M-105PF driven fighters down low (542kph on the deck). I would realy like to see that one in the game.

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by the_emperor